Pattaya Court

[GeeKay]

I recently arrived home to Australia after a torrid Thailand trip. I overstayed my visa in Pattaya by 6 days after I cut my foot and was hospitalised causing me to miss my original flight home. 

 

Wow I don't recommend ever making that mistake to anyone. After 15 days in Pattaya police cells on Soi 9 I went to court paid the overstay fine and then was shipped to Bangkok for 9 more days in IDC before before being deported and flying home. Anyway it was my own fault but it was a harsh treatment when I had money to buy my ticket and pay the fine but no one would deal with me or even talk to me for long periods.

 

My real question is has anyone been to and seen the court building in Pattaya? I'm not sure if I was hallucinating from sleep deprivation or it really was true. Inside the building there was a big cage full of weird men like from some cult doing strange exercise type things almost involving self harm.  Was I delusional or was that really happening?  

 

[Get Real]

Hmmmm.... My bet would be delusional, but I guess everything is possible.

[GeeKay]

3 hours ago, Get Real said:

Hmmmm.... My bet would be delusional, but I guess everything is possible.

I'd say it's probably a safe bet but I'm hoping someone can upheld my protest and say it was true.

 

I definitely was in court and went through the process before being handed down a 3000 baht fine for 6 day overstay. I'm sure outside the actual court room but in another section there were these crazy goings on. If not that was some hallucination.

[robblok]

Sounds like a wind up, cant imagine they lock you up with a 6 day overstay. There must be a bit more to this story.

[colinneil]

OP you have told half of the story, kindly let us know what else went on.

Edited July 15, 2018 by colinneil

[KittenKong]

My real question is has anyone been to and seen the court building in Pattaya?

The only court building I know of in town is the one on Thappraya Road, near to Treetops condo and Grande Carribbean condo. Dont know if it has cells.

[GeeKay]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

Sounds like a wind up, cant imagine they lock you up with a 6 day overstay. There must be a bit more to this story.

Mate I certainly wouldn't get abusive toward you particularly as I've only just joined this site and you are 20k+ posts. However with all due respect I can assure you it's not a "wind up" and I'll do the courtesy of giving the full story if you are interested. I'm sure there are  people on here aware of the overstay drama if you are found to be over your allowable period not at the airport but by the police inside the country. They don't care if you are 1 day or 10 years over the treatment is horrendous and what I've heard it is to do with some recent change in the law or policy. My story is real and one I'll never forget, I've only been home 3 weeks and it's almost 10pm here in Australia.  I'll post the whole story tomorrow because it will take a while to write.

[tolsti]

56 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

The only court building I know of in town is the one on Thappraya Road, near to Treetops condo and Grande Carribbean condo. Dont know if it has cells.

it will almost certainly have some sort of secure holding areas, The accused, being transported in the caged wagon will not have to sit outside whilst each case is dealt with. There is also the issue of separation according to sex. However I am sure a previous inmate will be along soon to illuminate with their personal experience. 

[GeeKay]

4 hours ago, colinneil said:

OP you have told half of the story, kindly let us know what else went on.

No problem mate as I said to robblok If you don't mind I'll put on the full story tomorrow. By the way in response to your post believe me I haven't told half the story it's an eyeopener.

[robblok]

13 hours ago, GeeKay said:

Mate I certainly wouldn't get abusive toward you particularly as I've only just joined this site and you are 20k+ posts. However with all due respect I can assure you it's not a "wind up" and I'll do the courtesy of giving the full story if you are interested. I'm sure there are  people on here aware of the overstay drama if you are found to be over your allowable period not at the airport but by the police inside the country. They don't care if you are 1 day or 10 years over the treatment is horrendous and what I've heard it is to do with some recent change in the law or policy. My story is real and one I'll never forget, I've only been home 3 weeks and it's almost 10pm here in Australia.  I'll post the whole story tomorrow because it will take a while to write.

The thing is mate, that normally you only get locked up if there is more then a 6 day overstay. I have had friends with a short overstay and they had no problems at all. Usually it happens that you committed an other crime or were grabbed for something else and then they will prosecute as your already someone they don't want here. 

 

By just giving half the story.. like.. did you have a ticket flying out already (makes a big difference) or no ticket then it looks more that you want to overstay longer. 

 

Anyway I think its an exception for them to go after a 6 day overstay (might happen, but rare). The usual case is you get involved with the police in a bad way (crime) and then they see your in overstay too.

[GeeKay]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

The thing is mate, that normally you only get locked up if there is more then a 6 day overstay. I have had friends with a short overstay and they had no problems at all. Usually it happens that you committed an other crime or were grabbed for something else and then they will prosecute as your already someone they don't want here. 

 

By just giving half the story.. like.. did you have a ticket flying out already (makes a big difference) or no ticket then it looks more that you want to overstay longer. 

 

Anyway I think its an exception for them to go after a 6 day overstay (might happen, but rare). The usual case is you get involved with the police in a bad way (crime) and then they see your in overstay too.

Well I can tell you you're wrong I'll get around to my story but I'm a little busy now.

 

I can assure you I didn't commit any crime but I showed my passport to police over another matter. Once they notice you have overstayed do you honestly think they will just let you walk around with no visa until your flight is due to leave or you purchase another ticket? It's straight into lockup you have no visa.

[Rimmer]

A profane troll post has been removed

[oxforddon]

I find it hard to understand why you spent 15 days in Soi 9 where they have only holding cells and when normally you would be in court the next day unless you were in over a weekend then you would be in court on the Monday. Then after court you would be transferred or released depending on the outcome.

[GeeKay]

3 hours ago, oxforddon said:

I find it hard to understand why you spent 15 days in Soi 9 where they have only holding cells and when normally you would be in court the next day unless you were in over a weekend then you would be in court on the Monday. Then after court you would be transferred or released depending on the outcome.

 You have no clue court dates are decided whenever they feel like it.  I'm not sure that the court even decides on cases of overstay every single day.  As for being released you are living on Mars nobody can be released anywhere under any circumstances if you do not have a valid visa. Do you think they'll just allow you to walk around as an illegal alien and just leave when you feel like it? "That's ok your honour there's my flight home ticket in 2 weeks  I'll just relax for  a while and then fly out". I've said enough I'm writing my story now not to get into discussion with individuals that think I'm talking shit but for those who have ever thought of taking the risk and overstaying.

[oxforddon]

I spent 4 years dealing with police issues in and out of  Soi 9 and I said "normally" and regarding the court said "released .... depending on outcome". Your outcome did not allow release but many other outcomes do. 

[GeeKay]

3 hours ago, oxforddon said:

I spent 4 years dealing with police issues in and out of  Soi 9 and I said "normally" and regarding the court said "released .... depending on outcome". Your outcome did not allow release but many other outcomes do. 

 

Mate I'm only talking about my outcome and anyone else that is found to overstay. In this case you are subject to deportation there is no other outcome you're not going free you will walked onto the plane by immigration police and it actually means jack-shit if you have a ticket already booked because you are now a deportee and some airlines will not fly you. I don't know what happens to some khatoey that's locked up for hitting someone over the head with his high heels. They can go to court pay their fine and walk free maybe.

[goegoe]

Hello, are you going to tell us the full story ? Thank you.

[tropo]

11 minutes ago, goegoe said:

Hello, are you going to tell us the full story ? Thank you.

Probably not. I'm not surprised considering all the venom he received on here. When things don't go as people expect them to, they call bs, which is quite off-putting for a new member who wants to help us out with some info.

[moonseeker]

+ 1, Pattaya-TV seems to be a favorite for such rudeness. Totally uncalled for. Definitely used to be more civilized, more interesting, more helpful  more respectful & friendlier overall. Thank God the "old-fellows" keep it up as good as can be. Signs of the  changing Pattaya-TH? Pity. MS

[tropo]

15 minutes ago, moonseeker said:

+ 1, Pattaya-TV seems to be a favorite for such rudeness. Totally uncalled for. Definitely used to be more civilized, more interesting, more helpful  more respectful & friendlier overall. Thank God the "old-fellows" keep it up as good as can be. Signs of the  changing Pattaya-TH? Pity. MS

You got that right. It is not like it used to be. Geekay hasn't posted since Monday, so he's probably had enough. No good deed goes unpunished on this forum.

[moonseeker]

I thought I was the only one feeling like this. TV has been so helpful to so many, a fantastic creation. I still enjoy if I can help out and/or get some quick personal advise from somebody who knows better. I am afraid, TH in general and Pattaya specifically halve changed so massively for some of us, that even more will leave or withdraw. For newcomers and guests with "limited interests and/or pink glasses" it will still be good enough.

We can't forget, the rest of the world has changed too, after 33 years away from "home" we might not like it there again and see TH in a slightly different light. Maybe time to open another post inquiring about real alternatives with world-travelers......Good night Tropo & thanks for your contributions to TV. MS>

Edited July 18, 2018 by moonseeker

[oxforddon]

Not sure I was doing anything more than querying why he was in Soi 9 holding cells for 15 days as that is not normal. Had he explained more about what he was in the station for when they checked his passport it might have been easier to understand. As an ex-moderator I certainly agree that the TV posts are generally negative .... and its why I gave up on that task ....

[tropo]

55 minutes ago, oxforddon said:

Not sure I was doing anything more than querying why he was in Soi 9 holding cells for 15 days as that is not normal. Had he explained more about what he was in the station for when they checked his passport it might have been easier to understand. As an ex-moderator I certainly agree that the TV posts are generally negative .... and its why I gave up on that task ....

It might not seem normal, but if you've closely observed the police at work, you could expect anything from them. For example, they set up a roadside check near the new Terminal 21, where they were using laminated cards with fines indicated at over double the real price... and they rush "customers" into the box to pay in cash, then stamp your hand like you've been to a disco...obviously indicating to other officers to let you pass if they catch you on the same night. This was done late at night, after the fine payment section of the Soi 9 cop shop was already closed, to dissuade anyone from wanting to pay real fines at the police station. They didn't even have real ticket books with them, so I doubt you could have got a genuine fine there even if you wanted it. 

 

Instead of finding this unusual and debating the real issue of in-your-face police corruption, members were castigating me for breaking the law. With that kind of attitude, who wants to start a thread these days. The nonsense from the holier-than-thou crowd was so intense I had to have the thread closed down. People couldn't actually believe what was going down and thought I was trolling. Bottom line, if it seems hard to believe, many members start accusing members of being trolls and posting bs.

 

Over 12 years I'd gone about 8 years without an ignore list. JT was the very first candidate to make it on there, and after that, I learned what a good idea it was and it has been growing rapidly ever since. There's no doubt this forum is a much less fun place to hang out than it used to be.

[Mattd]

On 7/15/2018 at 1:18 PM, GeeKay said:

I recently arrived home to Australia after a torrid Thailand trip. I overstayed my visa in Pattaya by 6 days after I cut my foot and was hospitalised causing me to miss my original flight home

It is a shame that the OP hasn't come back with a better description of what happened, his story may well be true, who knows, however it was totally avoidable and it would have been interesting to know which hospital he was in, as he would have been perfectly entitled to have extended his stay due to medical reasons and any decent hospital would know this and even arrange for it to be done.

[tropo]

Just now, Mattd said:

It is a shame that the OP hasn't come back with a better description of what happened, his story may well be true, who knows, however it was totally avoidable and it would have been interesting to know which hospital he was in, as he would have been perfectly entitled to have extended his stay due to medical reasons and any decent hospital would know this and even arrange for it to be done.

"however it was totally avoidable". I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't need to be told that... Hindsight is 20 20 vision.

[Mattd]

1 minute ago, tropo said:

"however it was totally avoidable". I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't need to be told that... Hindsight is 20 20 vision.

True, my point was more knowing which hospital he was in, coz they really should have avoided this, info sharing, so that folks can learn from it.

[GeeKay]

Ok thank you to those members that understood my reluctance to write the full story due to a few posts that were questioning the validity of my episode. I guess some people think I was making the whole thing up ( I don't know what I would get out of that) I've got enough to do and I'm just glad I got home and out of the situation.

All that in mind I decided not to type the whole saga out on here as it would be a long post and a pretty big effort even though I really only wanted anyone to be mindful if they were ever in the same position.

Just a couple of quick points are my problems didn't occur when I was in hospital that was a just the unfortunate circumstance causing me to miss my flight home. It was days after that when I had a dispute in a bar over my bill and I was not aggressive at all and actually "bit the bullet" and paid in full. Then I happened to see some Tourist Police nearby and asked them for their thoughts on the incident and they agreed to look into and also asked if I had some ID. I always carry my passport and I never thought they would even look to see that my visa had expired 6 days earlier and it was all down hill from there. The bottom line is to anyone don't risk overstaying because it's not worth it if you are forced to show your passport before leaving the country. Contrary to a previous members post I was held for 2 weeks in Soi 9 and then 5 days in a Police cell at Banglamung and then 8 days in IDC in Bangkok. I've never been incarcerated in my life but I consider myself fairly resilient but hell that was something else I don't recommend sleeping on concrete floors with nothing else for 27 days straight and that was only part of the misery.  

[KittenKong]

So you had time to hang around in bars but you didnt have time to go to immigration and ask for an extension to cover your expired visa? And why were you in a bar and not at the airport waiting for the first plane out?

 

What you did looks like a deliberate attempt to overstay your visa to me, and it probably looked like that to the police.

[GeeKay]

3 hours ago, KittenKong said:

So you had time to hang around in bars but you didnt have time to go to immigration and ask for an extension to cover your expired visa? And why were you in a bar and not at the airport waiting for the first plane out?

 

 

Thanks Einstein you have worked out I'm an imbecile.

 

As stated I'd already missed my flight and stupidly thought I just stay a week or so more and pay my overstay fine at the airport. As for hanging around bars I'm sorry for not visiting a temple, riding an Elephant or patting a drug <deleted> tiger while I was overstaying it's not my cup of tea. I don't normally get that much time off work so I was trying to make the most of it but don't worry I'm back at my desk now and accepting being chastised  by you.

[colinneil]

25 minutes ago, GeeKay said:

Ok thank you to those members that understood my reluctance to write the full story due to a few posts that were questioning the validity of my episode. I guess some people think I was making the whole thing up ( I don't know what I would get out of that) I've got enough to do and I'm just glad I got home and out of the situation.

All that in mind I decided not to type the whole saga out on here as it would be a long post and a pretty big effort even though I really only wanted anyone to be mindful if they were ever in the same position.

Just a couple of quick points are my problems didn't occur when I was in hospital that was a just the unfortunate circumstance causing me to miss my flight home. It was days after that when I had a dispute in a bar over my bill and I was not aggressive at all and actually "bit the bullet" and paid in full. Then I happened to see some Tourist Police nearby and asked them for their thoughts on the incident and they agreed to look into and also asked if I had some ID. I always carry my passport and I never thought they would even look to see that my visa had expired 6 days earlier and it was all down hill from there. The bottom line is to anyone don't risk overstaying because it's not worth it if you are forced to show your passport before leaving the country. Contrary to a previous members post I was held for 2 weeks in Soi 9 and then 5 days in a Police cell at Banglamung and then 8 days in IDC in Bangkok. I've never been incarcerated in my life but I consider myself fairly resilient but hell that was something else I don't recommend sleeping on concrete floors with nothing else for 27 days straight and that was only part of the misery.  

I asked you to post the full story something that you seem reluctant to do.

By your own admission you were in a bar probably getting p++sed, and got into an argument over paying your bill.

You got the tourist police involved nobody else,  very stupid thing to do when on overstay.

Then poor you had to sleep on a concrete floor, ahh diddums maybe you wanted mummy come tuck you in, tell you nursery rhymes.

 

You get no sympathy from me about sleeping on concrete in a Thai prison, been there done that.