wealthychef Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 23 hours ago, KiwiKiwi said: IMHO, it isn't worth it. Everyone knows who and what Elon Musk is. The man's a space cadet. Um, totally worth it, since he's a multi-billionaire and publicly defamed the guy. Should be easy money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, wealthychef said: Um, totally worth it, since he's a multi-billionaire and publicly defamed the guy. Should be easy money. But maybe not in California as the libel laws there might work against Mr. Unsworth. Edited July 17, 2018 by JLCrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeahbutwhytho Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Easy Come Easy Go said: He basically labelled any SE Asian expat a suspect pedo in one tweet Well if you're over 50 and still living in thailand, it'll make you wonder.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, JLCrab said: But maybe not in California as the libel laws there might work against Mr. Unsworth. Why would this litigation have to occur in CA, and what libel law in California allows you to call someone a pedophile in public? Or are you saying that Mr. Unsworth libeled the billionaire? I don't understand your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrizio Cremonini Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 22 hours ago, Shroud said: Musk could easily win this case since Vern started the rant. Everyone tried to offer help in this severe situation so to blame Elon for his mini-sub and call it a PR-stunt isn't something that has valid points. In the beginning, it was the thai authorities that pleaded for international help and they got it, including Vern Unsworth. I'm not siding with Elon, but Vern went too far with his remarks on CNN. i agree ,Vern said first a bad thing ,why he had to say an obscenity , why dont stop at " i believe the submarine will not work in that cave " . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Easy Come Easy Go Posted July 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Yeahbutwhytho said: Well if you're over 50 and still living in thailand, it'll make you wonder.. Care to elaborate? Thailand isn't just a seedy sexual attraction nation. Seeing Western families, and old Western couples here is normal. Thailand and SE Asia in general, has a lot to offer for older people. Thailand isn't Pattaya, there are many quiet and sleepy towns out there, where older people can live out their days cheaply. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: If you ever want to buy a submarine designed specifically for a special underwater operation you got to rocket scientists! Right to. Just off to the dentists to check my blood pressure and bronchitis. Maybe an advert from years ago has got lodged in his head " Its quicker by tube " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeahbutwhytho Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, Easy Come Easy Go said: Care to elaborate? Thailand isn't just a seedy sexual attraction nation. Seeing Western families, and old Western couples here is normal. Thailand and SE Asia in general, has a lot to offer for older people. Thailand isn't Pattaya, there are many quiet and sleepy towns out there, where older people can live out their days cheaply. Ok sorry, if you're over 50 and living in pattaya it'll make you wonder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, wealthychef said: <snip> I don't understand your point. Under California law Mr. Unsworth might have to show malice. And someone earlier said to sue him in California because that's where Mr. Musk lives. And if not California, where do you establish venue. Edited July 17, 2018 by JLCrab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, JLCrab said: Under California law Mr. Unsworth might have to show malice. And someone earlier said to sue him in California because that's where Mr. Musk lives. And if not California, where do you establish venue. Ah, thanks. Well, if I were Mr. U, I'd check with a few good lawyers anyhow and see if there is merit and whether someone will take the case. I would think that it could be lucrative and maybe an arrogant billionaire might be put in his place for 5 seconds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, harrry said: And not in US courts.where the lawyers just pocket the money they settle for but in the Thai Courts where it is a Criminal lible where Musk would be liable for arrest if he ever passed through Thailand again. He is so sure of himself that he would ignore that and come here sure he was safe. I seriously doubt that Musk will be passing through Thailand again knowing he could end up in jail for criminal defamation. Go after him where he lives, California. The US is not going to recognize or enforce a Thai (or UK) judgement for defamation. But Musk's statements are so outrageous that he also breached US defamation laws and his exposure in the US is massive. If its contingency, there is limit on the lawyer's share, and I am sure there are plenty of good lawyers willing to do this on a contingency in California. Go after Musk's assets, and his heart and mind will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 There is no such thing as US defamation laws. It is a state-by-state issue. And California might not be such a good place to bring a case that might require proof of malice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I don't know why people continue to bring Trump into the discussion and I'm not a supporter of Trump. Trump when it comes to the Cave matter said what all leader around the world would say! Based, on everything I don't think anyone has a real idea all the good and bad things went on to get everyone out. Personally, the way somethings work around here I thought the outcome wasn't going to be good. I'm just glad the Thai officials step a bit back and allow outside help. There was lots of foreign help but no one stepped forward and make a personal remark to cause him to release the Pedo remark. Remember it takes two to tangle? Regardless of his motives, he put forth an effort it wasn't necessary for the Brit to have made the personal attack, which of course deserves a return attack as most people do. Just because of Musk making and vehicles in the U.S. doesn't mean he is an American the guy is from South Africa? Tying his remarks as Racist and to Trump? There are times " silents is golden " on everyone's part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, toofarnorth said: Maybe an advert from years ago has got lodged in his head " Its quicker by tube " Not if it blows up like some of his cars seem to! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 22 hours ago, pkspeaker said: EM is hemorrhaging massive amounts of cash in that financial disaster callled Tesla + other losers like solar city and yet he has time and money to bring this stupid sub here, wasting everyone's time. By the time he got here the kids were already being pulled out after extensive planning and rehearsals. In the news they had repeatedly said that some of the passages were very narrow so <deleted> with this idiotic submarine. A bit of correction, not supporting EM, his company has been losing money from day one but people continue to foot his idea. My cousin husband started as one of his main engineers today due to Tesla stocks he was given worth in access of 100 million. Tesla, continues to bleed loses but has his Space X contract with the U.S. government so resources are a black hole. Also, by the time Tesla decided to take a break from Space X, design the sub and place it on a flight, not one boy had been rescued! Sure it seemed a PR stunt but was it necessary to say stick it up his ass, if it wasn't going to fit in the cave why say something stupid as it would fit in his ass?? Now since ass was brought up the legal defense for team Musk the topic and assumption were open by the Brit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 22 hours ago, Brunolem said: Yes, there was a series of tweets, but they have been deleted and are not accessible anymore...what is left are the tweets of those who replied...unfortunately... No problem we will get the FBI on this right away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertthesculptor Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just no excuse for Musk to be so arrogant. He truly needs to publicly apologize. Pay the guy. Musk can afford it, and move on quickly. This could distroy him needlessly. Very stupid from a very smart guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, robertthesculptor said: Just no excuse for Musk to be so arrogant. He truly needs to publicly apologize. Pay the guy. Musk can afford it, and move on quickly. This could distroy him needlessly. Very stupid from a very smart guy And Musk has soured , what should be a joyous occasion (barring the fatality) Unpleasant to bring those kinds of accusations to this story 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugocnx Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 22 hours ago, Horace said: Even in the US, which has very strong free speech protections, calling someone a p*** creates tremendous exposure to liability to a defamation claim. Not to be crass, but Musk is rich. He's not judgment proof. And Vern Unsworth has certainly suffered as a result of Musk's incredibly irresponsible tweet. And there will be questions if Vern Unsworth doesn't respond. I think Mr. Unsworth should sue. No jury is going to be sympathetic to Musk after he makes that sort of claim. Musk's lawyers will tell him to quickly and quietly settle the claim (unless Musk has proof to back his claim, which seems extremely unlikely), and quickly settle the claim. A quick settlement won't be cheap. Indeed, I wonder if any lawyers in the US have already offered to handle Vern Unsworth's claim on a contingency fee basis. (I would not blame them for doing so given the huge amounts involved here). Musk's reckless tweet may end up costing him tens of millions of dollars, and it would serve him right if it did. Goes to show that Musk is not a man of the world, with his consideration of Thailand. As if America does not have pedo's. In fact, having read much about the elites over there, I might draw the conclusion that it is far more worth in America. How about that Musk? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 21 hours ago, Horace said: Agree 1000%. I suspect Musk already has lawyers trying to minimize the damage and I suspect a few US contingency lawyers will reach out to Mr. Unsworth. I don't see this going away unless Musk pays big time and I think that is the right result. What you consider big time? a few million Tesla just write off with all those tax loopholes. The lawyers for Tesla, as my inside source has it is the damage he did to the image of Tesla and stock whether it makes money or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 What may be a problem for Mr. Unsworth and his potential California contingency plaintiff lawyers is that, in California, there have been libel cases where the plaintiff has been considered to be a 'limited purpose public figure' and have had far less public exposure than has had Mr. Unsworth and that brings in the condition of proving malice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Horace Posted July 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, JLCrab said: nder California law Mr. Unsworth might have to show malice. "Malice" only needs to be shown if Mr. Unsworth is a public figure, such as a politician. If you are public figure (such as a politician), you have to expect that you will be criticized and the subject of some less than flattering comments. This goes back to Sullivan v The New York Times case (Nixon era). The rationale here is that if you are public figure, such as politician like Nixon, Trump (or be fair, Hillary, Obama, etc.), you have put yourself in the public eye and you have to expect bit of unfair comment. These people are in positions that demand public scrutiny. I can't see how Mr. Unsworth is a public figure like Nixon, Trump or Hillary Clinton. But even if he Mr. Unsworth is a public figure, he can establish malice if Musk acted recklessly in making this claim or knew it was false. Musk's claim is a patently reckless statement Musk accused Mr. Unsworth of being a sex criminal. That's obviously defamatory. Even in California you cannot go around recklessly accusing pubic figures of being pedophiles. And Mr. Unsworth is not a public figure; he is a private citizen. Musk's assets will be easy to find in California. Make the claim against Musk where he has assets. That will create strong incentives for him to settle. Finally, the chances of this actually going to trial are very low (95% of filed cases in California settle before going to trial). Musk's lawyers will press him hard to settle. Musk will look like a jerk defaming a little guy hero of the cave rescue in Thailand. Musk might be unreasonable and emotional, but his lawyers will press him hard to resolve this quickly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Baerboxer said: If you ever want to buy a submarine designed specifically for a special underwater operation you got to rocket scientists! Right to. Just off to the dentists to check my blood pressure and bronchitis. Rocket scientists work on capsules to support human life in conditions where there is no air to breathe. Rocket scientists are top level engineers. They test their designs underwater all the time. There's a lot of similarities between a sub and a spaceship. Your dentist will certainly be able to check your blood pressure considering he is a physician. He would also likely be able to give you an opinion on your bronchitis. The problem is that he would likely charge way too much or he would simply refuse to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Horace said: "Malice" only needs to be shown if Mr. Unsworth is a public figure, such as a politician. <snip> Absolutely wrong. Unsworth fits the definition under California libel law of "limited-purpose public figure" to a tee and under CA case law persons with far less public media exposure than Mr. Unsworth have been so deemed. Edited July 17, 2018 by JLCrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 hours ago, darksidedog said: A number of unsavoury, inflammatory, libelous and troll comments have been removed, along with some replies, a few of which were quite good, and I apologise for having to remove them too. This thread is a discussion of Mr. Musks comments. A man who suggested that any white person in Thailand had to be there for underage sex, as he could think of no other reason to be there. So he defamed you all. The next poster to make an unsubstantiated and defamatory statement against Mr. Unsworth will regret it. Yes we all have a opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, possum1931 said: A westerner has got little chance in any court case against a Thai. I know from experience. I actually won a court case against a Thai not long after I came to Thailand to stay. About three weeks after the case, I got an email from my lawyer say that the Judge had now changed her mind and did not believe what I said. Mad hatters in a country that is desperate for a honest law reform Edited July 17, 2018 by Media1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieterWiehe Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 contact siam-legal.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, DieterWiehe said: contact siam-legal.com lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, DieterWiehe said: contact siam-legal.com This character has no chance against the corporate monster. Thai only lol. What are they going to do. Loose big investment for 1 old man lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, JLCrab said: Absolutely wrong. Unsworth fits the definition under California libel law of "limited-purpose public figure" to a tee and under CA case law persons with far less public media exposure than Mr. Unsworth have been so deemed. Can you give an example of such a case JLCrab? Appreciated if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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