Britain would not block death penalty for IS suspects

[The Renegade]

At last, it appears that some people have some common sense left.

 

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Bitain's archaic treason laws should be updated and used to prosecute jihadis who have fought in Syria, a former Home Secretary, head of MI5, Lord Chief Justice and head of counter-terror policing have said.

 

The Treason Act of 1351 has not been used since 1946 but should now be revised to prosecute terrorists amid growing fears that British laws are currently not tough enough to deal with returning jihadis.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/24/british-jihadis-should-face-new-treason-law-former-home-secretary/

 

Must be Trump and Brexit supporters ??

 

 

[The Renegade]

11 hours ago, Grouse said:

No

Such an erudite answer. The depth of reason and response is outstanding.

 

Was that a NO to:

 

13 hours ago, The Renegade said:

f and / or when these creatures meet with the death penalty in the US, will you hand back your UK passport and renounce your British ( if you even have it ) Citizenship to show your disgust at the brutality of the British Government,

Or a NO to:

 

13 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Would you be up in arms if their location had been identified in Syria and a Reaper / Predator had put a rocket right between their eyeballs ?

NO just does not cut it as an answer.

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Such an erudite answer. The depth of reason and response is outstanding.

 

Was that a NO to:

 

Or a NO to:

 

NO just does not cut it as an answer.

No plural

[Chomper Higgot]

Can we please return to the topic under discussion.

[The Renegade]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

No plural

Right got it.

 

So you have no objection to them getting smashed from a drone in Syria.

 

But you do have an objection to 2 murdering b@st@rds, who are no longer UK Citizens, being shipped from Syria to the US to stand trial.

 

Perhaps it is just me, but I see that as very confused logic ??

 

I thought you were in the UK ? Why are you posting at 0400 UK Time ?

[CG1 Blue]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The people who lock other human beings in cages then set them afire start off by believing their victims less than human, animals and therefore deserving of no human compassion.

 

Assured of their own superiority they murder without concern.

 

 

Personally I wouldn't lock an animal in a cage and set it alight either. So if you're trying to defend the perpetrators in any way, you failed.

 

Mind you, I'd quite enjoy seeing those two animals that killed Lee Rigby burning in a cage...

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Right got it.

 

So you have no objection to them getting smashed from a drone in Syria.

 

But you do have an objection to 2 murdering b@st@rds, who are no longer UK Citizens, being shipped from Syria to the US to stand trial.

 

Perhaps it is just me, but I see that as very confused logic ??

 

I thought you were in the UK ? Why are you posting at 0400 UK Time ?

6 pints of Adnams and a proper curry.

 

If they had been taken out by the Americans in act of war, no problem

 

If they are tried in America and executed, no problem.

 

The issue is SJ opening his mouth and contravening the explicit intent of UK law. This was unnecessary and has significant ramifications due to creating a precedent. This was not thought through; it is yet another cock up by the Home Office.

[watcharacters]

16 minutes ago, Grouse said:

6 pints of Adnams and a proper curry.

 

Explains his time frame.  ()

 

His logic remains an unknown.

 

 

[Grouse]

Javid should just have said that these creatures were no British Citizens and we had no interest in their fate.

 

That might give other Muslim potential Jihadis pause. Go to fight with your pals, immediately lose your British Citizenship, and risk your life at the hands whoever captures you.

 

No Javid is not bright, Exeter is OK but it's not Oxbridge. I'm sure Boris would do a better job. Or anybody actually.

[CG1 Blue]

31 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Javid should just have said that these creatures were no British Citizens and we had no interest in their fate.

 

That might give other Muslim potential Jihadis pause. Go to fight with your pals, immediately lose your British Citizenship, and risk your life at the hands whoever captures you.

On this I agree with you

[Morch]

On 7/24/2018 at 9:45 AM, RuamRudy said:

So have them tried in Syria under Syrian law.

 

It is a UK problem because they are UK citizens.

 

I somehow doubt you're not aware they aren't held by government forces. Same goes for the current state of law and order in Syria. But ignoring them pesky details, what would be the point, anyway? Do you imagine they'll get a fair trial under "Syrian law"? No death penalty in Syria?

 

They aren't UK citizens. They aren't being extradited by the UK.

 

 

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

I somehow doubt you're not aware they aren't held by government forces. Same goes for the current state of law and order in Syria. But ignoring them pesky details, what would be the point, anyway? Do you imagine they'll get a fair trial under "Syrian law"? No death penalty in Syria?

 

They are in Syria of their own volition; let them face the consequences for their actions there. Logistical and factional problems aside, if they were to be found guilty and executed under Syrian law then, while I am not in favour of capital punishment, they knew what potentially faced them when they embarked on their mission so I will not lose any sleep over it.

 

10 minutes ago, Morch said:

They aren't UK citizens. They aren't being extradited by the UK.

 

But the UK remain involved in their fate, such that they were, until very recently, discussing it with the US. If the UK deviates from a long held principle, it could be a precursor to a new approach towards capital punishment in the UK as we leave the EU. 

[Scott]

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[Morch]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

They are in Syria of their own volition; let them face the consequences for their actions there. Logistical and factional problems aside, if they were to be found guilty and executed under Syrian law then, while I am not in favour of capital punishment, they knew what potentially faced them when they embarked on their mission so I will not lose any sleep over it.

 

But the UK remain involved in their fate, such that they were, until very recently, discussing it with the US. If the UK deviates from a long held principle, it could be a precursor to a new approach towards capital punishment in the UK as we leave the EU. 

 

Quite spirited opinions on what seems, essentially, to be a procedural issue involving two _____________ (enter negative words of choice here). And, of course, them "logistical and factional problems" cannot be that easily ignored. So you won't "lose any sleep" over the two executed in Syria (by who?), but rant on and on if they were to be extradited to the US. Pretty sure that if given the choice between Syria (again, who?) and the US, they'd go for the latter. Buys more time, for starters, and legalities still count for something - so slight chances. Under "Syrian law" - guess none of that.

 

The second comment is just as tenuous. The UK was consulted, just to head off possible legal complications and delays. Even if the UK would have taken a different stance, it is doubtful that it would change the outcome much. They are not UK citizens, and they are held by a faction allied with the US. I don't see how it constitutes a "new approach", nor does it have much to do with Brexit.