UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

hardly,

stockpiling humus is non violent

 

these canterbury and patriot chaps promote violence, not needed

Lighten up Melvin - that was a joke!

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Lighten up Melvin - that was a joke!

right

stockpiling hummus or houmous is the way

 

[Grouse]

13 hours ago, Grouse said:

And this poverty occurred whilst in the E.U. right? So much for the E.U. Protecting its citizens! 

This was the post to which I was responding. The gross inequality in the U.K. Is the fault of the U.K. Government not the EU. Isn't that obvious??

[Grouse]

9 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

But you can blame the gravy chain of waste like moving the parliament that so bad for the environment and what other government would do that horrendous unaccountable morons

Yes that is a waste and should cease.

 

Poverty in the U.K. Is down to our government NOT the EU.

[Grouse]

9 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

I would love to be Trumps Ambassador to the EU!

You would be ideal

[malagateddy]

Yes that is a waste and should cease.
 
Poverty in the U.K. Is down to our government NOT the EU.

Exactly what is poverty??
Before I retired over here 4 years ago..people were claiming poverty..yet they had mobile phones..were in the pub and smoked!!
If someone only has freeview tv .. does not smoke..drink..gamble..do drugs..does not have a mobile phone..then I would say that he/she is in need of some financial aid.

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[transam]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Yes that is a waste and should cease.

 

Poverty in the U.K. Is down to our government NOT the EU.

Poverty....They all have i phones and regular Indian takeaways...????

 

I went to school in army boots...????

[Grouse]

1 minute ago, malagateddy said:

Exactly what is poverty??
Before I retired over here 4 years ago..people were claiming poverty..yet they had mobile phones..were in the pub and smoked!!
If someone only has freeview tv .. does not smoke..drink..gamble..do drugs..does not have a mobile phone..then I would say that he/she is in need of some financial aid.

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I see your point. AND despise it.

 

What is required for a reasonable life? A roof over your head? Heat? Light? Power? Food? .....

 

Our RIDICULOUS housing system is one of the main culprits. Crap quality, crap style and cheap materials. Vastly expensive. Too many people generated wealth from house inflation

 

Look at our neigbours in Europe 

 

When we say poverty we mean relative poverty.

 

A reasonable life for reasonable work. Social justice.

 

You know, like Northern Europe and NOT like the USA (or U.K.)

 

Food banks!!!!????

[Grouse]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Poverty....They all have i phones and regular Indian takeaways...????

 

I went to school in army boots...????

I'll bet you go to bed in army boots!

[Grouse]

50 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

right

stockpiling hummus or houmous is the way

 

Stop talking humus!

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I'll bet you go to bed in army boots!

Not quite, but for many daytime years I did...????

[malagateddy]

I see your point. AND despise it.
 
What is required for a reasonable life? A roof over your head? Heat? Light? Power? Food? .....
 
Our RIDICULOUS housing system is one of the main culprits. Crap quality, crap style and cheap materials. Vastly expensive. Too many people generated wealth from house inflation
 
Look at our neigbours in Europe 
 
When we say poverty we mean relative poverty.
 
A reasonable life for reasonable work. Social justice.
 
You know, like Northern Europe and NOT like the USA (or U.K.)
 
Food banks!!!![emoji85]

If you believe all the doom n gloom re brexit..then property prices will nosedive giving 1st time buyers a chance of getting a foot on the ladder.
Re council housing..that has been pretty much shambolic since I went to school and I'm 68 years young..lived all my days under mostly a Labour Party Glasgow City Council Administration.
Here endeth the small rant[emoji54]

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[vogie]

34 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Yes that is a waste and should cease.

 

Poverty in the U.K. Is down to our government NOT the EU.

Grouse in two years you have had nothing but negative comments about the UK, I doubt you will ever change. I wish you well with your Danish Passport.

[Grouse]

4 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

If you believe all the doom n gloom re brexit..then property prices will nosedive giving 1st time buyers a chance of getting a foot on the ladder.
Re council housing..that has been pretty much shambolic since I went to school and I'm 68 years young..lived all my days under mostly a Labour Party Glasgow City Council Administration.
Here endeth the small rant

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The embarrassing gross inequality in the U.K. Is ONE of the reasons that there is so much unhappiness leading to Brexit.

 

Incidentally, council houses were built to a high standard post war and estates had plenty of open spaces. So different from the back to back terraces that JRM would recall. Selling off council houses at an undervalue robbed the state with the sole purposes of winning votes. Typical Tory move.

[mogandave]

That people believe prosperity will come through redistribution is sad.

I remember when a tradesman earned as much or more than an engineer. What has changed?

[malagateddy]

The embarrassing gross inequality in the U.K. Is ONE of the reasons that there is so much unhappiness leading to Brexit.
 
Incidentally, council houses were built to a high standard post war and estates had plenty of open spaces. So different from the back to back terraces that JRM would recall. Selling off council houses at an undervalue robbed the state with the sole purposes of winning votes. Typical Tory move.

Re post 2nd w war council housing..high standard..ESPECIALLY THE HIGH FLATS LOADED WITH ASBESTOS!!!

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[Grouse]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Grouse in two years you have had nothing but negative comments about the UK, I doubt you will ever change. I wish you well with your Danish Passport.

You misjudge me Vogie. I have lived well in the U.K. 

 

There are are many things I love about the place but many things I despise. The latter are generally self inflicted.

 

Take the way Thatcher caused so much physical and societal damage

 

If you like, I will mention positive stuff:

 

Pubs. Best in the world

Ecclesiastical architecture

Cricket

universities

fish and chips

draught bitter

pomp

humour

the BBC

fly fishing 

The national trust

grouse shooting!

dry stone walls

sea gulls

courtesy

Land Rovers

60s, 70s and 80s music

Winchester

Harrogate

Durham

Edinburgh

 

Shall I go on?

[mommysboy]

54 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Exactly what is poverty??
Before I retired over here 4 years ago..people were claiming poverty..yet they had mobile phones..were in the pub and smoked!!
If someone only has freeview tv .. does not smoke..drink..gamble..do drugs..does not have a mobile phone..then I would say that he/she is in need of some financial aid.

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Poverty is though having to use foodbanks, live on ever lower benefits, and pay three quarters of your low salary on just rent and bills.

[roo860]

Poverty....They all have i phones and regular Indian takeaways...[emoji23]
 
I went to school in army boots...????

All my clothes were bought at the local Army and Navy store, I used to go school dressed as a Japanese General!

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[vogie]

58 minutes ago, Grouse said:

You misjudge me Vogie. I have lived well in the U.K. 

 

There are are many things I love about the place but many things I despise. The latter are generally self inflicted.

 

Take the way Thatcher caused so much physical and societal damage

 

If you like, I will mention positive stuff:

 

Pubs. Best in the world

Ecclesiastical architecture

Cricket

universities

fish and chips

draught bitter

pomp

humour

the BBC

fly fishing 

The national trust

grouse shooting!

dry stone walls

sea gulls

courtesy

Land Rovers

60s, 70s and 80s music

Winchester

Harrogate

Durham

Edinburgh

 

Shall I go on?

"Shall I go on?" I'd rather you didn't.

 

Quite an eclectic list, the only ones I have an issue are,

 

Universities, judging by some remainers on here with a Uni education I would like to think non of my hard earned taxes went into funding their education.

 

The BBC, now run by young liberals (I'll leave that hanging there)

 

When you say "pomp", do you mean a bicycle pomp?

 

Grouse shooting, definately, why even have a close season.

 

Fly fishing, only tried it once, but I did catch a 5lb bluebottle.

 

But all in all not a bad list.????

[tebee]

 

[Patriot1066]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

The embarrassing gross inequality in the U.K. Is ONE of the reasons that there is so much unhappiness leading to Brexit.

 

Incidentally, council houses were built to a high standard post war and estates had plenty of open spaces. So different from the back to back terraces that JRM would recall. Selling off council houses at an undervalue robbed the state with the sole purposes of winning votes. Typical Tory move.

Grouse I am surprised at your assumptions.

 

I lived in a post war council house was good size with a garden with my Grandad for a bit.

 

When my grandad got it he had council inspections to check things like garden was maintained etc, he considered it a privallage not a right ‘ it was his home fit for heroes’ so loved the place.

 

Now people don’t all appreciate what they have, drive through most of these estates you will see how bad people treat what they have been effectively given. Interestingly most of the sold off houses look much better. The council stopped inspecting as couldn’t get bad tenants out in any case. As still had to house the kids.

 

BTW he bought his at a discount and it allowed when he passed away to so the money allowed us get our first houses as we couldn’t have otherwise got the deposits, so really the Tories shared wealth to poor people who could not otherwise afford their own house. So well done to Thatcher!

 

Did you buy yours or still rent it, or are you talking not from your own experience, but your perception of how it really was for those involved?

[Patriot1066]

16 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

Criminal farce lol

 

They will have bigger issues staying in.

 

Cox is not an economic expert is he.

[Patriot1066]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

"Shall I go on?" I'd rather you didn't.

 

Quite an eclectic list, the only ones I have an issue are,

 

Universities, judging by some remainers on here with a Uni education I would like to think non of my hard earned taxes went into funding their education.

 

The BBC, now run by young liberals (I'll leave that hanging there)

 

When you say "pomp", do you mean a bicycle pomp?

 

Grouse shooting, definately, why even have a close season.

 

Fly fishing, only tried it once, but I did catch a 5lb bluebottle.

 

But all in all not a bad list.????

The BBC how are they good it appears they have a lefty, pro young, pro socialist, Europhile biased attitude.

[Patriot1066]

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

Yes that is a waste and should cease.

 

Poverty in the U.K. Is down to our government NOT the EU.

There is no true poverty it’s a joke!

 

There are poor people Most is down to lazyness and lack of learning the language?

[Patriot1066]

2 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Poverty is though having to use foodbanks, live on ever lower benefits, and pay three quarters of your low salary on just rent and bills.

Rubbish there are so many opportunities no one needs to be in poverty. There’s hardly any unemployment plenty of work it is a utopia.

 

 

[Patriot1066]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Lighten up Melvin - that was a joke!

Yea chill dude!

[mogandave]

Grouse I am surprised at your assumptions.
 
I lived in a post war council house was good size with a garden with my Grandad for a bit.
 
When my grandad got it he had council inspections to check things like garden was maintained etc, he considered it a privallage not a right ‘ it was his home fit for heroes’ so loved the place.
 
Now people don’t all appreciate what they have, drive through most of these estates you will see how bad people treat what they have been effectively given. Interestingly most of the sold off houses look much better. The council stopped inspecting as couldn’t get bad tenants out in any case. As still had to house the kids.
 
BTW he bought his at a discount and it allowed when he passed away to so the money allowed us get our first houses as we couldn’t have otherwise got the deposits, so really the Tories shared wealth to poor people who could not otherwise afford their own house. So well done to Thatcher!
 
Did you buy yours or still rent it, or are you talking not from your own experience, but your perception of how it really was for those involved?

Indeed, people only respect what they earn.

Milk from the public tit is sweet, but more often than not it is crippling...

[Jip99]

23 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

There is no true poverty it’s a joke!

 

There are poor people Most is down to lazyness and lack of learning the language?

 

There must be poverty, I saw 2 old people begging in Hounslow when I was recently back in the UK. 

 

I think they they were singing Romanian folk songs....

[Patriot1066]

9 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

There must be poverty, I saw 2 old people begging in Hounslow when I was recently back in the UK. 

 

I think they they were singing Romanian folk songs....

Yes plenty of ‘New British’