Overstay of 110 days; whats the easiest way out

[Walter Travolta]

1 minute ago, jenny2017 said:

But your suggestion to break the law even a bit more is okay? Don't you think that it's quite irritating for the OP to make a decision now after so many others have suggested to go to the airport and pay the fine?

 

    Is it okay to create more problems for the OP? And a longer overstay, if getting caught, is a serious problem. 

My suggestion is for the OP to do whatever he/she pleases

My comment was to point out that he/she is already breaking the law, so in effect he/she will not be punished any more than he will if he hands him/herself in now or at the 364 day point. I would guess even the immigration people would wander why he/she didnt continue his/her stay til the end. Its called taking advantage of a situation.

As for being caught between now and then and receiving a harsher punishment, again, that is up to the OP. He/she might have a terrible life at their destination after Thailand. If that was the case for me then yes, I would certainly risk lasting the 364 and facing my problems a bit later. Who wouldnt??

JFTR I am not advocating overstaying lol Im simply saying that now the OP is in that position they have 2 choices, hand yourself in or take the risk. Its that simple. I replied to Get Reals comment with an open mind and I end up with you pecking me haha

I only overstayed 1 time by accident because of a miscalculation on my part.

 

Why is everyone so triggered these days and look for an argument? Or try to put words in your mouth?

 

It is at this point I feel the need to apologise for using the terms he/she. I hope I havent hurt the feelings of any gender neutrals out there or anyone who wishes to be noted as a JCB digger today ?

[Get Real]

48 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

As you have noted, he is already breaking the law

 

Wouldnt it be sensible to overstay to 364 days taking account of the guys mental state ?

His punishment is going to be the same if he hands himself in today or on his penultimate day, so why not ?

I guess the debate here is that sticklers for the 'rule book'  will want this guy hanged where as the non-conformists will argue he might as well see out his overstay he is now engaged in

 

I always find it amusing when I see members on any forum with a name that is also advice, when its obvious they dont seem to heed that advice themselves ?

I suppose you just think you got a point anywhere. The reality is that you don´t.

 

If he by a ticket now, he can take himself to airport, pay the fine, get out and have one year ban. That´s quite good if he want to come back to Thailand in a reasonable time.
 

If he take the advice, he will take a risk for a full 250 days more to be caught, and in that case get a five year ban.

On top of this, you also have the natural thing by following the laws in the country you reside in. Maybe something alien to you, but most people live by that.

Feeling your misarable failure yet? If not, please comment again and I will do my best to help you.

[Get Real]

2 hours ago, marc651 said:

Why does it have to be a taboo? While not a wise option, It is a fact that many people will actually consider this,  calculate their risks,  pro and con, make assumptions,  and decide.  This is a reality. It is what gets the overstayers to be in this situation in the first place.  So I think we should not ridicule people who voice this kind of suggestion,  but rather debate with them. 

Because it´s an illegal way of staying in the country. Suggesting that kind of activity is also against the forum rules. That just because it can´t just be considered an illegal activity. It is an illegal activity. Period!

Because it´s an illegal activity it can not be discussed or adviced about here.

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

I hope the OP has the money.

[elviajero]

11 minutes ago, Get Real said:

Because it´s an illegal way of staying in the country. Suggesting that kind of activity is also against the forum rules. That just because it can´t just be considered an illegal activity. It is an illegal activity. Period!

Because it´s an illegal activity it can not be discussed or adviced about here.

No one is suggesting anyone overstays. The discussion is around the options available to someone who had already overstayed.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Walter Travolta said:

As you have noted, he is already breaking the law

 

Wouldnt it be sensible to overstay to 364 days taking account of the guys mental state ?

His punishment is going to be the same if he hands himself in today or on his penultimate day, so why not ?

I guess the debate here is that sticklers for the 'rule book'  will want this guy hanged where as the non-conformists will argue he might as well see out his overstay he is now engaged in

Would you ask a bank robber who's so far got away with his crime, to do another robbery when his cars already got a flat.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Walter Travolta said:

His punishment is going to be the same if he hands himself in today or on his penultimate day, so why not ?

Nobody is suggesting he 'hands himself in'.

Just leave the Country via the airport, pay the fine, and get a 1 year ban.

[elviajero]

31 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Would you ask a bank robber who's so far got away with his crime, to do another robbery when his cars already got a flat.

Not sure your analogy works. One is a crime and the other is just breaking the law.

[jenny2017]

15 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Not sure your analogy works. One is a crime and the other is just breaking the law.

Then it's up to anybody to differentiate what's considered a crime and what breaking the law is? Sometimes one goes only with the other, and some overstayers have to do illegal activities to finance their stay. 

[Get Real]

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

No one is suggesting anyone overstays. The discussion is around the options available to someone who had already overstayed.

Really? I guess you have to go back and read the post a little bit better.

Even if the discussion is about "options" like you choose to put it. To me there is not an option to break or continue brealing the law. Dicussions about an option that includes breaking the law or continue to break the law even more, simply soes not comply with or belong in this forum.

[overherebc]

2 hours ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

I hope the OP has the money.

That is a very valid point. Some have been in IDC for a very long time trying to get that sorted out. If you don't have the money and no-one to lend or donate you the money you are in deep Do-Do.

[Canuckabroad]

I have a question that might seem off-topic, but it's not really.

 

Lets say someone tries to enter Thailand but they don't have an exit stamp in their passport (or in the computer system) from their last visit.  Is there an automatic penalty for that - e.g. refused entry and X years blacklist?

 

[elviajero]

33 minutes ago, Canuckabroad said:

I have a question that might seem off-topic, but it's not really.

 

Lets say someone tries to enter Thailand but they don't have an exit stamp in their passport (or in the computer system) from their last visit.  Is there an automatic penalty for that - e.g. refused entry and X years blacklist?

 

Not having a stamp would be an issue if spotted; having an open entry on the computer system would definitely cause a problem, and you wouldn’t be granted entry until it was sorted out. I imaging the onus would be on you to prove when you left the country.

 

Not having s stamp wouldn’t be unusual, but not having a stamp or an entry in the computer would be highly suspicious.

[kaffeburk]

Whatever you do, don't ask the police for help. A heartsick swede did that after being hospitalized for heart failure so long that his visa expired. He was perhaps confused when released from the hospital, and went to the police. They trowed him in monkeyhouse without medicine and he almost died. 

[jenny2017]

2 minutes ago, kaffeburk said:

Whatever you do, don't ask the police for help. A heartsick swede did that after being hospitalized for heart failure so long that his visa expired. He was perhaps confused when released from the hospital, and went to the police. They trowed him in monkeyhouse without medicine and he almost died. 

Being on an overstay, the police would be the last address to show up. Why did your friend not inform the Immigration when he's in the hospital? Or let the hospital manage that? Even when a relative or gf would show up at Immigration with proof, there wouldn't have been a problem. 

[kaffeburk]

17 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Being on an overstay, the police would be the last address to show up. Why did your friend not inform the Immigration when he's in the hospital? Or let the hospital manage that? Even when a relative or gf would show up at Immigration with proof, there wouldn't have been a problem. 

He was not my friend, and i guess he was to sick to think about such matters and as a tourist not informed. I'm sure he wold let the hospital manage that, had they asked him. 

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/6nBOje/hjartsjuke-kent-52-slangdes-i-fangelse

[kaffeburk]

He lost 16 kg, was denied medicine for his condition. The Swedish state department says this is just one of many similar cases. 

[elviajero]

3 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

Then it's up to anybody to differentiate what's considered a crime and what breaking the law is? Sometimes one goes only with the other, and some overstayers have to do illegal activities to finance their stay. 

I’m sure some overstayers do commit crimes, but overstaying itself is not a criminal offence.

[Elkski]

So stay another 250 days at what 500 baht/ day penalty?  I guess that's an option.    Good luck op.   

[elviajero]

48 minutes ago, Elkski said:

So stay another 250 days at what 500 baht/ day penalty?  I guess that's an option.    Good luck op.   

He’s already reached the maximum fine. He will pay 20K whether he leaves now or in 250 days time.

[fakename]

Another point about your buying your ticket and paying the fine, is your putting an end of hiding and worrying. Another thing is you buy the ticket you want and the price you can afford, If someone else is buying your ticket, at DC, I dont think they are going to sit all day and try to get the best for you, and maybe charge you a Service Charge, on top of it. You got two choices, dont take the stupid choice!

[ubonjoe]

I have removed several baiting and bickering posts along with some off topic inflammatory posts. Time to end it.

[cleverman]

I think what people are trying to tell you is to go to the airport, etc,etc,etc. 

[janclaes47]

8 hours ago, elviajero said:

He’s already reached the maximum fine. He will pay 20K whether he leaves now or in 250 days time.

That is unless he encounters a passport check tomorrow.

[jenny2017]

13 hours ago, kaffeburk said:

He was not my friend, and i guess he was to sick to think about such matters and as a tourist not informed. I'm sure he wold let the hospital manage that, had they asked him. 

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/6nBOje/hjartsjuke-kent-52-slangdes-i-fangelse

Even if it's not your friend, helping somebody in such a situation is a good deed. 

[OJAS]

57 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Even if it's not your friend, helping somebody in such a situation is a good deed. 

Indeed - by drawing his and the hospital's attention to the fact that he would probably have been eligible for 90-day extensions on medical grounds under para 2.25 of Police Order 327/2557 perhaps:-

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwNib_gx9zYEYkFjMUNHV1pXdWs/view

 

[elviajero]

5 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

14 hours ago, elviajero said:

He’s already reached the maximum fine. He will pay 20K whether he leaves now or in 250 days time.

That is unless he encounters a passport check tomorrow.

If they are caught on overstay, arrested, and prosecuted through the court the fine would be a lot less than 20K. Typically the court fines 5-6K.

 

The maximum immigration can fine is 20K. At 500 per day you reach the maximum after 40 days. So the OP will be fined a maximum of 20K regardless of when they leave.

[JackThompson]

@Patrick960

Note that paying overstay at the airport does not mean you have to return to your home-country.  There are a few countries which may have an issue with your overstay (such as Laos), but many others do not.  Malaysia might be a good next-stop, if you are not happy about returning to India at this time.  Cambodia is another option.

[ubonjoe]

A post suggesting illegal activity has been removed,.

[GeeKay]

On 8/14/2018 at 5:33 AM, fakename said:

Another point about your buying your ticket and paying the fine, is your putting an end of hiding and worrying. Another thing is you buy the ticket you want and the price you can afford, If someone else is buying your ticket, at DC, I dont think they are going to sit all day and try to get the best for you, and maybe charge you a Service Charge, on top of it. You got two choices, dont take the stupid choice!

Good advice. Another fact is not every airline will fly deportees so once you're in IDC you'll have to accept what their little travel agency dishes up. This happens to be my subject of some small expertise after spending 8 nights in IDC recently. You want to make sure you have your money available as well because you will be sitting in a hell hole with 100 other inmates 24hrs a day until you can sort it out. Incredibly every room has guys in charge that are actually inmates themselves. The room/cell that I was in the boss was an Iranian and actually had a phone in there which I was able to use by paying him 1000 baht a call. Don't expect any rush service to get anything else sorted but the food is wonderful especially if you like a bit of white rice and some chicken carcass (no flesh) in hot water. Slapped onto a tin tray that you have to wash off in the toilet before lining back up and placing it on the pile at the cell window. Has anyone else had this wonderful experience?