webfact Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Planned wooden airport terminal sparks fire concerns By Phatarawadee Phataranawik The Nation MASSIVE WOODEN structures featuring prominently in the winning design for Suvarnabhumi Airport’s new passenger terminal could pose a fire risk and might violate construction laws, the Engineering Institute of Thailand (EIT) said yesterday. It gave Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT) the warning after engineers and citizens questioned the security of Terminal 2 (T2) on social media. EIT vice president Kecha Thirakome said the design includes modular structures in multiple layers that, in case of a fire, could allow flames to spread fast. The “forest” design for the Bt35-billion passenger terminal by renowned architect Duangrit Bunnag and a consortium called DBALP won the nod from an AoT judging panel last month. The decision was immediately controversial, first facing claims that it plagiarised Kengo Kuma’s plans for the Yusuhara Wooden Bridge Museum in Japan. Meanwhile, another design consortium, SA Group, bidding for the job threatened a legal challenge after it was disqualified on a technicality. Kecha noted that Thailand adheres to US National Fire Protection Association standards, which ban the use of wood in public buildings such as airport terminals because it’s so combustible. “If this massive wooden structure is allowed, it would violate national construction laws,” he said. Assistant Professor Chuchai Sujivorakul concurred that only safe materials like concrete, stone and ceramic should be used, and they are relatively easily to maintain as well. “This terminal should upgrade our airport to ‘4.0’ standards with digital technology including IoT, Big Data and artificial intelligence,” added Associate Professor Anek Siripanichakorn. “We should also be concerned about safety and sustainability, as well as saving energy.” Neither the EIT nor the Architects Council of Thailand was involved in the design contest. Both have suggested AoT review the design in detail and, if a fresh competition is deemed necessary, include them in setting the terms of reference. AoT has yet to sign a contract with Duangrit and his team pending consultation with experts and the public. If the DBALP proposal goes forward, construction of the 348,000-square-metre T2 is scheduled for completion in 30 months and the terminal should be fully operational in 2021 or early 2022. It’s intended to accommodate more than 30 million passengers annually. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30353911 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-09-07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post seahorse Posted September 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2018 Here is the first planned flight to the new terminal. 2 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lamyai3 Posted September 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2018 55 minutes ago, webfact said: Planned wooden airport terminal The Wright Brothers built a wooden plane, what's wrong with a wooden airport? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post than Posted September 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2018 2 hours ago, lamyai3 said: The Wright Brothers built a wooden plane, what's wrong with a wooden airport? fire.... 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coulson Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 3 hours ago, webfact said: Neither the EIT nor the Architects Council of Thailand was involved in the design contest Upset they didn't get their pockets lined. 3 hours ago, webfact said: T2 is scheduled for completion in 30 months and the terminal should be fully operational in 2021 or early 2022 How about finish the satellite terminal first before making wild assertions. Clueless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coulson Posted September 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, than said: fire.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 After reading the criticism, posters might think that wood is easily burnt. All over Japan structures are wood to safeguard damage in earthquakes. They don't get burnt down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rkidlad Posted September 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2018 42 minutes ago, owl sees all said: After reading the criticism, posters might think that wood is easily burnt. All over Japan structures are wood to safeguard damage in earthquakes. They don't get burnt down. That’s Japan. You’re comparing apples and oranges. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, rkidlad said: That’s Japan. You’re comparing apples and oranges. Yes, you are right. Thailand and Japan; two different animals in the same box. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopy Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 The key is it is illegal to build public structures using wood in Thailand. So it isn't clear they could ever get approval for this design. Shame as it looks so much better. It is surprising they propose genuine wood instead of doing it the Thai way. Usually in Thailand they build using concrete and steel then stick smartboard over it to get the appearance of wood. Doesn't look quite as good but resistant to fire, termites, rot, and easier to care for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wayned Posted September 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, owl sees all said: After reading the criticism, posters might think that wood is easily burnt. All over Japan structures are wood to safeguard damage in earthquakes. They don't get burnt down. But Japan doesn't import Thai electricians to do the wiring! 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vacuum Posted September 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2018 4 hours ago, lamyai3 said: The Wright Brothers built a wooden plane, what's wrong with a wooden airport? 1 hour ago, than said: fire.... Termites.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Vacuum said: Termites.... Bribes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 With all the wood that goes "missing" from these road widening projects then someone has the idea to build a huge project out of wood .......I wonder why..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jossthaifarang Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2018, there are ceramic tiles available which look like wood... Just a thought.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I assume they will have to log some protected areas to get enough big timbers for that project. Quite a few brown envelopes involved with that aspect. But at lest it will be made from renewables and is biodegradable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 ...all of this brings into question.....the so-called 'selection process'.... ...jeez.... ....another day......same ______...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanista Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) Where is the timber being sourced? There's virtually nothing left in LOS. Let me guess....Mynamar aka Burma I can see a scandal brewing in the near future. (50 , 000 logs invoiced but only 500 delivered and all from protected rain forrests.) It will happen. Are they going to import electricans? There is no way they could let a Thai sparky near a huge timber building. The airport will be lit up better than Harrods. Edited September 7, 2018 by lanista Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossy Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 The architect is clearly a lover of Paragon Puzzles (of old) who designed and made beautiful wooden brain-teasers that kept me quiet for hours. As for these shapes being the inspiration of an airport terminal design, I have two issues. One, the inevitably high cost of making and erecting a wooden structure, like the one pictured, and two, the mind-numbing task of keeping such a structure clean or had the architect got some cunning dust-prevention device hiding amongst all those blocks? Expensive, impractical and utterly unnecessary for a building that people want to spend as little time in as possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esso49 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Wood. Perfect to go in harmony with the wooden heads of the AOT and the other interested parties supporting their decision. Ahh I here you say they won't really use wood, only imitation wood made from fibrous cement products. Now any bets( if that were legal ) that one of the main manufacturers , SCG, should be well placed for the fat juicy contract to supply those products? So any other favoured contractors for the construction of the terminal ? ehm let me think who possibly could win that contract ? Of course after a fair bidding contest. Not Ital Thai surely ? If they were to be chosen at least they could get the top man to go around clearing the site of any wildlife as that's his hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 The EIT and AOT need to get out of their comfort and antiquated thinking. The use of wood is actually making a come back as they are a much more environmentally and carbon friendly material than steel and concrete. Moreover all building codes have incorporated fire compliance for rating, flame spread and smoke using technologies and designs. https://www.theb1m.com/video/top-5-the-world-s-tallest-timber-buildings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inThailand Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Illegally smuggled in wood is perfect for swampy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobobo Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 hours ago, than said: fire.... ISIS weren't very active during Wright Brothers time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaHand Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 hours ago, owl sees all said: After reading the criticism, posters might think that wood is easily burnt. All over Japan structures are wood to safeguard damage in earthquakes. They don't get burnt down. There is a all wooden hanger at the Brice Canyon airport Utah erected in 1935 by The CCC camp that is still in every day use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, hobobo said: ISIS weren't very active during Wright Brothers time. a short circuit is enough, look what happened in Brazil these last days ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLW Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 The EIT and AOT need to get out of their comfort and antiquated thinking. The use of wood is actually making a come back as they are a much more environmentally and carbon friendly material than steel and concrete. Moreover all building codes have incorporated fire compliance for rating, flame spread and smoke using technologies and designs. https://www.theb1m.com/video/top-5-the-world-s-tallest-timber-buildingsYes in developed countries but not Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psimbo Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) First terminal- bad because its all concrete and industrial. New terminal - bad because it will feature wood. No pleasing some people. AIrports are about moving people from A to B- it's not about aesthetics. Plenty of large, safe, fireproof, wooden structures around the world- I get the feeling that a lot of this is sour grapes. On the other hand if they use wood one hopes it will be from sustainable sources. I'm sure the collected chagrin of Thaigeezers will accrue at least ten pages out of this heinous decision. Edited September 7, 2018 by Psimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, CLW said: 1 hour ago, Eric Loh said: The EIT and AOT need to get out of their comfort and antiquated thinking. The use of wood is actually making a come back as they are a much more environmentally and carbon friendly material than steel and concrete. Moreover all building codes have incorporated fire compliance for rating, flame spread and smoke using technologies and designs. https://www.theb1m.com/video/top-5-the-world-s-tallest-timber-buildings Yes in developed countries but not Thailand. Not so much about stage of development but rather design, compliance and enforcement by relevant authorities. If it's a building down in Lad Prao by contractor Pornchai, I have my doubts but an international airport is on a different level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vacuum said: Termites.... 3 hours ago, wayned said: But Japan doesn't import Thai electricians to do the wiring! Termites shouldn't be a problem with electricity running through it if that's what wayned meant................................. Edited September 7, 2018 by chrisinth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 hours ago, canopy said: The key is it is illegal to build public structures using wood in Thailand. So it isn't clear they could ever get approval for this design. Presumably, the architects know this, so using wood as a major part of the design makes them stupid. If they didn't know it is illegal then that also makes them stupid. Whichever way you look at it, they're stupid and the design must be disqualified. So now we start upon the endless trek of the company that was denied on a 'technicality' (the brown envelope was too small) taking court action which will drag on for years, and then new bids being requested which will also take years to go through endless committees. So they might begin work, perhaps, by 2030. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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