1 hour ago, wvavin said:

I feel that Vernon is taking a high risk by sueing Musk. Musk could not be that stupid by calling him a child pedo for no reason. If Musk were to present some of Vernon's peso evidents then he would be a dead meat!

Smart people make mistakes. Musk stated that he is under immense pressure and having a very tough year. He has made a number of high profile mistakes in a short period of time. His false statement about securing funding to take Tesla private will cost him billions of dollars! That's not a little mistake.

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by JerseytoBKK

1 hour ago, wvavin said:

I feel that Vernon is taking a high risk by sueing Musk. Musk could not be that stupid by calling him a child pedo for no reason. If Musk were to present some of Vernon's peso evidents then he would be a dead meat!

Why doesnt Musk give details of his allegation ?

Where is the alleged 12 year old Wife of Verns ?

That would be easy to prove .

10 hours ago, Jeremy50 said:

Most people who have spent decades in Thailand have quite a lot they would rather keep quiet about.

Perhaps, but Unsworth has not spent decades in Thailand, despite Musk falsely claiming that he had. In court papers filed as part of the lawsuit, his lawyers have stated that Unsworth first travelled to Thailand in 2011. That being so, it suggests this was after having met his girlfriend in England (as has has been widely reported, they met in the UK and have been together for 7 years). 

 

His lawyers are highly unlikely to have either lied or made a mistake regarding the date of his first trip here, given that it is something that forms part of the lawsuit and could be relatively easily checked.  Also, based on previous reports in UK newspapers he normally only spends about half the year in Thailand so he may have only spent around three and a half years in Thailand to date - and seemingly, has only ever stayed in Chiang Rai (not in Pattaya) so that's two more things thing Musk lied about, apparently.

5 hours ago, oobar said:

Called him a pedo . . . what?  A pedodontist?  I guess that is pretty bad.  I don't much care for dentists, either.

As transam implied, you're a little out of date with the full extent of Musk's allegations.

 

As per the lawsuit, Musk has:

 

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falsely accused Mr. Unsworth of being a (1) a pedophile ,(2)a child rapist, (3) a child sex-trafficker,(4) the husband of a 12-year old child bride, and (5) a liar.

 

13 hours ago, z42 said:

Don't agree at all. In the wider scheme of things, Musk has pioneered things that will help to make the world a vastly better place.

 

Obviously what he said about the guy being a paedophile is stupid and completely without merit, yet the supposed victim in this case also talked shit about Musk to the media.

 

The court system simply shouldn't be used and abused like this. It is clear that Musk made a complete dick out of himself, and that nobody believes the diver is what was claimed.

 

Childish nonsense. Shake hands and let it be finished. What a circus

You have to wonder about Musk's state of mind to get entrenched in something so minuscule to the world he deals with on a daily basis...that said he does seem to be in meltdown with Tesla, alienating the board, his share holders, his car owners....it's as though he's on a self serving suicide mission to wreck the company along with himself

 

17 minutes ago, eastendanto said:

You have to wonder about Musk's state of mind to get entrenched in something so minuscule to the world he deals with on a daily basis...that said he does seem to be in meltdown with Tesla, alienating the board, his share holders, his car owners....it's as though he's on a self serving suicide mission to wreck the company along with himself

 

Musk Net worth around $23 B

If he loses a hundred mil he wouldn't even notice but he could drag poor old Vern through the courts for probably years.... 

 

 

17 hours ago, The manic said:

Sc*m

I think a better description of Unsworth is a foul mouth jerk. 

49 minutes ago, Ks45672 said:

Musk Net worth around $23 B

If he loses a hundred mil he wouldn't even notice but he could drag poor old Vern through the courts for probably years.... 

 

 

Most of that is in the form of stocks and shares in Tesla

 

 

I believe Mr Musk will earn more in PR and such that what it will cost him if he looses the trials, The whole world will keep an eye on this even after its settled in court.

1 hour ago, gamini said:

I think a better description of Unsworth is a foul mouth jerk. 

If we're taking foul language, anything Unsworth has said in connection to this subject pales in comparison to Musk's foul-mouthed tirades as evidenced by his emails.

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by GroveHillWanderer

I anticipate a counter-suit as well as a dismissal of charges from Musk.  Oh, Mr. Unsworth, I really hope you have the money for a sustained court battle because everyone knows those with exceptional wealth can intentionally drag out court battles until the lesser... *ahem* endowed... party can no longer afford the trial.

4 hours ago, Eaglekott said:

I believe Mr Musk will earn more in PR and such that what it will cost him if he looses the trials, The whole world will keep an eye on this even after its settled in court.

I cannot see Musk getting any positive PR out of this .

I wouldnt want to be associated with any of  the pot smoking foul mouthed persons products

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I cannot see Musk getting any positive PR out of this .

I wouldnt want to be associated with any of  the pot smoking foul mouthed persons products

All publicity is good publicity.

1 minute ago, JeffreyO said:

All publicity is good publicity.

Try telling that to Vern

Just now, sanemax said:

Try telling that to Vern

We're still talking about him, most probably don't know the names of any of the other divers/team.  Vern Unsworth will be able to sell a book and make plenty, even if he loses a lot in the process.

48 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

I anticipate a counter-suit as well as a dismissal of charges from Musk.  Oh, Mr. Unsworth, I really hope you have the money for a sustained court battle because everyone knows those with exceptional wealth can intentionally drag out court battles until the lesser... *ahem* endowed... party can no longer afford the trial.

Musk lawyers will tell him to write a cheque before any court and Vern will sign an nda to never mention this crap again

1 minute ago, Ks45672 said:

Musk lawyers will tell him to write a cheque before any court and Vern will sign an nda to never mention this crap again

We'll see.  Only what's behind closed doors will show but Musk doesn't seem like the type of person to just settle out of court.  Musk has a pretty strong case being the schoolyard rules, he didn't start it, he just retaliated.  That doesn't make him right, but if Musk can provide an iota of evidence, even the smallest, he wins.  If Musk proves he was wronged and reacted rather than acted, he wins.  Both lead to counter-suits.  I honestly think Vern saw moneybags and has got in over his head.  Musk is an <deleted> but he's also a genius.  Genius and money don't make a good person but they DO make for someone who is generally calculated on things like this.

1 minute ago, JeffreyO said:

We'll see.  Only what's behind closed doors will show but Musk doesn't seem like the type of person to just settle out of court.  Musk has a pretty strong case being the schoolyard rules, he didn't start it, he just retaliated.  That doesn't make him right, but if Musk can provide an iota of evidence, even the smallest, he wins.  If Musk proves he was wronged and reacted rather than acted, he wins.  Both lead to counter-suits.  I honestly think Vern saw moneybags and has got in over his head.  Musk is an <deleted> but he's also a genius.  Genius and money don't make a good person but they DO make for someone who is generally calculated on things like this.

If musk is determined to win

He could pay a witness to say some lie about Vern years ago

1 minute ago, Ks45672 said:

If musk is determined to win

He could pay a witness to say some lie about Vern years ago

I can't retort because that's a pretty wild assumption...

6 minutes ago, Ks45672 said:

If musk is determined to win

He could pay a witness to say some lie about Vern years ago

And if Musk got caught doing that , that would be the end of him as a businessman and he would end up in jail .

Well there is one observation missing from all the posters who 'support' Vern

 

There was a whole team, busting a gut, time and effort, a race against time, to come up with something, anything, that maybe of use to assist in the rescue of those children in the cave if the water levels rose.  They stepped up and made an effort, in what could have ended up a desperate situation. The possibility of the water rising was so real they were encouraged to continue by a caving expert.

 

Those thoughtful, concerned, generous, hard working people, surely did not deserve their efforts condemned as a PR stunt.

 

So how to compensate those guys..........

4 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Well there is one observation missing from all the posters who 'support' Vern

There was a whole team, busting a gut, time and effort, a race against time, to come up with something, anything, that maybe of use to assist in the rescue of those children in the cave if the water levels rose.  They stepped up and made an effort, in what could have ended up a desperate situation. The possibility of the water rising was so real they were encouraged to continue by a caving expert.

Those thoughtful, concerned, generous, hard working people, surely did not deserve their efforts condemned as a PR stunt.

So how to compensate those guys..........

Yes, all the guys were in the water , working tirelessly in extreme conditions and Musk was in the TV studios telling the World about his drilling company , how far his drills can dig , telling the World about his submarine and about the efforts that Musk is putting into save the kids .

   Elon Musk and his team of divers trying to save the kids .............oh yeah, he did also tell the world about his space exploration plans , and the drill that he wants to use to make a hole for the kids to escape can also be used on the moon , that's what his company plans to do , drill holes on the moon .

   Welcome to the Elon Musk show .

All that free publicity gained from  what could have been a disaster had the kids not survived

13 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, all the guys were in the water , working tirelessly in extreme conditions and Musk was in the TV studios telling the World about his drilling company , how far his drills can dig , telling the World about his submarine and about the efforts that Musk is putting into save the kids .

    Elon Musk and his team of divers trying to save the kids .............oh yeah, he did also tell the world about his space exploration plans , and the drill that he wants to use to make a hole for the kids to escape can also be used on the moon , that's what his company plans to do , drill holes on the moon .

   Welcome to the Elon Musk show .

 All that free publicity gained from  what could have been a disaster had the kids not survived

He actually wasn't in TV studios, what are you talking about?
Also, there are recorded conversations between him and a member of the dive team telling him not only to do it but that anything is helpful and how appreciated his efforts are.
Regarding tunnels, there are two choices on our planet at present, build up or build down, either way, the land of this planet is saturated and building down at least prevents eyesores which is exactly why a huge tunnel was just dug through the city of Seattle and the viaduct (which was "built up" as a two layer freeway), which blocked the views of the waterfront and was a terrible thing to do to a city with such beauty around it, was torn down.

You should get outside more and read news that doesn't fit your particular agenda.

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by JeffreyO

10 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

He actually wasn't in TV studios, what are you talking about?
Also, there are recorded conversations between him and a member of the dive team telling him not only to do it but that anything is helpful and how appreciated his efforts are.
Regarding tunnels, there are two choices on our planet at present, build up or build down, either way, the land of this planet is saturated and building down at least prevents eyesores which is exactly why a huge tunnel was just dug through the city of Seattle and the viaduct (which was "built up" as a two layer freeway), which blocked the views of the waterfront and was a terrible thing to do to a city with such beauty around it, was torn down.

You should get outside more and read news that doesn't fit your particular agenda.

According to CNN, billionaire Elon Musk is sending specialist engineers to Thailand to help aid the rescue of the 12 boys and their football coach trapped in a cave. Tesla Ceo and Founder, Musk, hopes his engineers will be able to join and assist in the already huge operation being carried out he Tham Luang Nang Non cave complex. Dozens of Thai Navy SEALs and international experts are attempting to find a way to get the boys out safely and efficiently. Musk, founder of the Boring Company and Space X tweeted Thursday: "SpaceX & Boring Co engineers headed to Thailand tomorrow to see if we can be helpful to govt.".

 

 

   

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

According to CNN, billionaire Elon Musk is sending specialist engineers to Thailand to help aid the rescue of the 12 boys and their football coach trapped in a cave. Tesla Ceo and Founder, Musk, hopes his engineers will be able to join and assist in the already huge operation being carried out he Tham Luang Nang Non cave complex. Dozens of Thai Navy SEALs and international experts are attempting to find a way to get the boys out safely and efficiently. Musk, founder of the Boring Company and Space X tweeted Thursday: "SpaceX & Boring Co engineers headed to Thailand tomorrow to see if we can be helpful to govt.".

  

 

   

I'm not sure I understand your point?  You are cherry picking.  Engineers were sent after the mini-sub was created, literally with the mini-sub and it was left in Thailand in case needed in the future.  Can you elaborate?  The part you put in bold is silly because everyone travels to see if they can be of help without certainty that they can.  That's just syntax and the way things are stated.  No one says "We are going to *location* to prove we can help".

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by JeffreyO

6 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

I'm not sure I understand your point?  You are cherry picking.  Engineers were sent after the mini-sub was created, literally with the mini-sub and it was left in Thailand in case needed in the future.  Can you elaborate?  The part you put in bold is silly because everyone travels to see if they can be of help without certainty that they can.  That's just syntax and the way things are stated.  No one says "We are going to *location* to prove we can help".

All about himself and his companies abilities .

Advertising and promoting his Companies .

At the time there were about 1000 divers in the cave , trying to get to the kids and not speaking to the media , Musk was on TV and tweeting about his companies , getting free publicity , that is why Vern spoke to him condescendingly 

 

"Musk says SpaceX and Boring Company can help rescue the Thai soccer team. Elon Musk announced on Twitter Friday morning that his companies SpaceX and the Boring Company, which specializes in drilling, would join the mission to rescue the 12 boys trapped in a cave in northern Thailand. The companies’ engineers could contribute with their expertise in energy storage and drilling, he said.  But he eventually followed up, tweeting that since the Boring Company has “advanced ground penetrating radar & is pretty good at digging holes,” it could probably help. He also added that they could send “fully charged Powerpacks,” referring to the the Tesla utility battery packs that the company also sent to Puerto Rico to combat power outages after Hurricane Maria. As of a few months ago, the Powerpacks were in 662 locations in Puerto Rico, and Electrek reported that the batteries were powering key facilities, including a hospital, sewage treatment plant, and a water pumping station. On June 3, Musk vaguely tweeted that Tesla has “about 11,000 projects underway in Puerto Rico.” But no other news has emerged since then. Musk has been criticized for failing to deliver on promises before; for example, Tesla had production issues with its Model 3 car and missed several deadlines, causing its shares to drop by 6 percent. ."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

All about himself and his companies abilities .

 Advertising and promoting his Companies .

 At the time there were about 1000 divers in the cave , trying to get to the kids and not speaking to the media , Musk was on TV and tweeting about his companies , getting free publicity , that is why Vern spoke to him condescendingly 

  

"Musk says SpaceX and Boring Company can help rescue the Thai soccer team. Elon Musk announced on Twitter Friday morning that his companies SpaceX and the Boring Company, which specializes in drilling, would join the mission to rescue the 12 boys trapped in a cave in northern Thailand. The companies’ engineers could contribute with their expertise in energy storage and drilling, he said.  But he eventually followed up, tweeting that since the Boring Company has “advanced ground penetrating radar & is pretty good at digging holes,” it could probably help. He also added that they could send “fully charged Powerpacks,” referring to the the Tesla utility battery packs that the company also sent to Puerto Rico to combat power outages after Hurricane Maria. As of a few months ago, the Powerpacks were in 662 locations in Puerto Rico, and Electrek reported that the batteries were powering key facilities, including a hospital, sewage treatment plant, and a water pumping station. On June 3, Musk vaguely tweeted that Tesla has “about 11,000 projects underway in Puerto Rico.” But no other news has emerged since then. Musk has been criticized for failing to deliver on promises before; for example, Tesla had production issues with its Model 3 car and missed several deadlines, causing its shares to drop by 6 percent. ."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure how a mini-sub profits SpaceX, The Boring Company or Tesla.  Can you elaborate?

In fact, let me go deeper.  We're talking about a South African immigrant who helped create some of the most famous companies in the world including Paypal vs.  A diver from England, (and pay attention now because this is the most important part) who NONE of the other divers have come out to defend in this situation.  I'm pretty sure that speaks volumes but hey, you do you.

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by JeffreyO

Just now, JeffreyO said:

I'm not sure how a mini-sub profits SpaceX, The Boring Company or Tesla.  Can you elaborate?

Free advertising for his Companies .

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Free advertising for his Companies .

Except he wasn't running around shouting "I'm the CEO of the following organizations".  You're assuming people in Thailand know him by name?  More importantly, that Thai people buy Tesla's or will hire SpaceX for anything or hire The Boring Company?  I'm not sure I get what you're trying to get at.

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by JeffreyO