EU pushes October Brexit agreement, threatens no deal

[ivor bigun]

 
except for the loan payment I think,
as far as I know Gordon Brown paid the final installment to the US
 

Not sure who paid it ,but yes i believe your right it is now all paid back,it broke us,thank you America

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[vogie]

12 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

except for the loan payment I think,

as far as I know Gordon Brown paid the final installment to the US

 

Yes you are correct about the UK loan, however the loan to Germany was written off in about 1953 I believe.

Edited September 23, 2018 by vogie

[SheungWan]

On 9/22/2018 at 9:49 PM, ivor bigun said:

Well,it will scare the weaker ones amongst us but not the majority of British folk we are stronger than that,they have tried to frighten us before,look how that worked out

Usual balderdash from the war comic reading generation who mostly haven't fought anything other than other football supporters.

[metisdead]

An off topic post and a reply has been removed. 

[bristolboy]

On 9/23/2018 at 10:07 AM, Esso49 said:

Actually I disagree.  History shows that the US were only initially interested in profiting from WW2 by providing loans to  the UK for war materials that they desperately needed to fight the Nazis in Europe.  Loans which are still being repaid by the way which , compunded by monies owed from WW1, bankrupted the UK.  In fact the US used all manner of excuses not to join the war initially, as making money , or profiteering from others demise if necessary, was and still is one of their primary goals apparently.

 

The US joined the war only once Japan "encouraged" them to do so by the attack on Pearl Harbour, which in itself was only brought about by years of "economic sanctions" against them, and enough was enough in their eyes .   Parallels with modern China perhaps ?

 

The British , whilst strongly opposed to Stalin's regime, choose to support the Soviets with aid because it was considered the lesser evil.   Of course the Soviets were stabbed in the back by the Nazis once they renegaded on their previous agreement so hence provided valuable manpower in pushing back the Nazis. But the Soviets joined the war to poke a finger at Hitler,   not to help the British.   But make no mistake the human toll for the Soviets was massive losing it is claimed 20,000,000 !

 

 

"But the Soviets joined the war to poke a finger at Hitler,   not to help the British."

Poking a finger? That means to provoke. Are you saying that the Russians provoked the Germans into invading. 

[3NUMBAS]

They never intended to help out May. What should be remembered is that all the people May is negotiating with are not elected and do not depend on an electorate for their job. They all belong to an exclusive European "Fat Cat's" Club. The negotiations have been difficult because they wanted to lose the UK financial contribution and have done their best to create an unacceptable deal to thwart the Brexit movement, hoping it will collapse and the UK remain. It has been clear to some of us for a very long time, that a "No Deal !" is and always has been the only viable option. The politicians in Britain and Europe can huff and puff as much as they like, but business men here and in Europe are in business to make money and will soon work out the best way to take advantage of the new trading conditions. It is always "The end of the World !" when what is familiar comes to an end, but invariably the shake up does good and new and better ways of working are found. For example, the ending of farm subsidies by the New Zeeland government was going to be the end of farming over there. The reality is that their farmers now, have never been more successful or prosperous.

[tebee]

15 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

They never intended to help out May. What should be remembered is that all the people May is negotiating with are not elected and do not depend on an electorate for their job. They all belong to an exclusive European "Fat Cat's" Club. The negotiations have been difficult because they wanted to lose the UK financial contribution and have done their best to create an unacceptable deal to thwart the Brexit movement, hoping it will collapse and the UK remain. It has been clear to some of us for a very long time, that a "No Deal !" is and always has been the only viable option. The politicians in Britain and Europe can huff and puff as much as they like, but business men here and in Europe are in business to make money and will soon work out the best way to take advantage of the new trading conditions. It is always "The end of the World !" when what is familiar comes to an end, but invariably the shake up does good and new and better ways of working are found. For example, the ending of farm subsidies by the New Zeeland government was going to be the end of farming over there. The reality is that their farmers now, have never been more successful or prosperous.

Even now, UK politicians, including former Conservative leaders and Foreign Secretaries really seem to think – they even write it – that if we just asserted ourselves more aggressively in negotiations, a typical multi-day, multi-night Summit would deliver them some fundamentally different EU offer.

But the EU is negotiating with us, not as a member, but as a prospective soon-to-be third country. Those glorious, sweaty, fudge-filled Brussels denouements are gone. The Prime Minister is not in a room negotiating with the 27. That’s not how the exit game or the trade negotiation works, or was ever going to.

 

We need, urgently, on all sides of the spectrum, to start understanding how being a “third country” is different. And the most naïve of all on this remain the Brexiteers who fantasise about a style of negotiation which is only open to members of the club.

We are indeed, a soon-to-be third country and an opponent and rival, not just a partner, now. Again, that is what Brexit advocates argued for. It is time to accept the consequences.

 

Some of those will be beyond tiresome. And one of them will be that we shall be, like Switzerland, in a state of permanent negotiations with the EU about something highly intractable, on which they may have more metaphorical tanks than us.

 

Get used to it!

[malagateddy]

Even now, UK politicians, including former Conservative leaders and Foreign Secretaries really seem to think – they even write it – that if we just asserted ourselves more aggressively in negotiations, a typical multi-day, multi-night Summit would deliver them some fundamentally different EU offer.
But the EU is negotiating with us, not as a member, but as a prospective soon-to-be third country. Those glorious, sweaty, fudge-filled Brussels denouements are gone. The Prime Minister is not in a room negotiating with the 27. That’s not how the exit game or the trade negotiation works, or was ever going to.
 
We need, urgently, on all sides of the spectrum, to start understanding how being a “third country” is different. And the most naïve of all on this remain the Brexiteers who fantasise about a style of negotiation which is only open to members of the club.
We are indeed, a soon-to-be third country and an opponent and rival, not just a partner, now. Again, that is what Brexit advocates argued for. It is time to accept the consequences.
 
Some of those will be beyond tiresome. And one of them will be that we shall be, like Switzerland, in a state of permanent negotiations with the EU about something highly intractable, on which they may have more metaphorical tanks than us.
 
Get used to it!

Okdokay..we will [emoji6]

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[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

They never intended to help out May. What should be remembered is that all the people May is negotiating with are not elected and do not depend on an electorate for their job. They all belong to an exclusive European "Fat Cat's" Club. The negotiations have been difficult because they wanted to lose the UK financial contribution and have done their best to create an unacceptable deal to thwart the Brexit movement, hoping it will collapse and the UK remain. It has been clear to some of us for a very long time, that a "No Deal !" is and always has been the only viable option. The politicians in Britain and Europe can huff and puff as much as they like, but business men here and in Europe are in business to make money and will soon work out the best way to take advantage of the new trading conditions. It is always "The end of the World !" when what is familiar comes to an end, but invariably the shake up does good and new and better ways of working are found. For example, the ending of farm subsidies by the New Zeeland government was going to be the end of farming over there. The reality is that their farmers now, have never been more successful or prosperous.

Empty Dustbin Thinking re Brexit.