5 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I  think Ford is just lieing plain and simple. Time changes memory any one would says they can remember what happened at a party 30 years ago is lieing right from the start. No one can do that. She is just trouble. Any one who believes her is stupid or just does want real justice and likes to see some one use the justice system to stalk and attack.and interfere with government for their own purposes.

She has no rational motivation to lie about this. As far as old memories, the truth is that people CAN remember TRAUMATIC experiences far into the past. One of my most vivid life memories is when I was five years old. I thought my mother had abandoned me at some weird house full of strangers. As far as drugged out teenage parties I do remember significant experiences. For Ford, what happened to her was obviously significant and traumatic. 

 

14 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I  think Ford is just lieing plain and simple. Time changes memory any one would says they can remember what happened at a party 30 years ago is lieing right from the start. No one can do that. She is just trouble. Any one who believes her is stupid or just does want real justice and likes to see some one use the justice system to stalk and attack.and interfere with government for their own purposes.

It seems you want to tell us you don't remember anything about what you did 30 or more years ago, correct?

Personally there is a lot I don't remember simply because it was not important. Going to a party, having some beer, yes that happened and I don't remember all the parties and all the beers.

But I remember certain moments. There was that time when I was totally drunk and a girl drove my car back and I was puking out of the window. And there were other moments I wouldn't want to write about.

Do I remember all the details after 30 years? No. Do I remember the exact date when it happened? No. But do I remember if some things happened at all? Yes, sure.

If the want to be supreme court judge does not remember what he did then he should look for another job which does not require a good memory.

Yes, exactly, and remember the bar for this is not like in a criminal court case. Nobody is seeking a conviction here. It's about whether he gets to be one of the most powerful Americans for LIFE, or not. 

If Ms Ford was an Amish housewife from Pennsylvania, she would be credible, but a "university-teacher-in California"!!!

 

They are so heavily bent towards the left side over there that scientists expect the whole state to fall into the ocean with the next earthquake!

 

 

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1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

If Ms Ford was an Amish housewife from Pennsylvania, she would be credible, but a "univeristy-teacher-in California"!!!

 

They are so heavily bent towards the left side over there that scientists expect the whole state to fall into the ocean with the next earthquake!

 

 

You should join Ed Whelan's investigative team.

    Is it any wonder women often don't come forward when, even now, they are treated so badly.  Years ago when the attempted rape took place it was even worse. Trump has no respect for women.  He is a big, fat tub of lard with money who feels that entitles him to do what he wants with any woman--and get away with it. So, he has no problem if his nominee is the same.

38 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You should join Ed Whelan's investigative team.

Or Alan Dershowitz...

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dershowitz-rejects-i-believe-her-crowd-are-women-born-with-a-special-gene-for-telling-the-truth

39 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

If Ms Ford was an Amish housewife from Pennsylvania, she would be credible, but a "university-teacher-in California"!!!

 

They are so heavily bent towards the left side over there that scientists expect the whole state to fall into the ocean with the next earthquake!

 

 

Wow, that is so amazingly funny! You must be really reeeeeally smart.

1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

Or Alan Dershowitz...

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dershowitz-rejects-i-believe-her-crowd-are-women-born-with-a-special-gene-for-telling-the-truth

Clearly you have a low opinion of Alan Dershowitz.

The guy is not even a Supreme Court Justice yet, but is already setting a precedent. A really bad one. 

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

You should join Ed Whelan's investigative team.

Ed Whelan has some explaining to do (and possibly a defamation case heading his way).

 

One particular question he needs to answer is how did he know the name of Kavanaugh’s accuser before She herself came forward to release her name? (Linkedin has records of Whelan searching and reading Dr Ford’s profile shortly before he published his* conspiracy)

 

his* - The indications are he collaborated with at least one member of the Senate Committee and possibly with Kavanaugh and the White House.

 

Whelan now needs to hope the scapegoat he accused doesn’t file suit with its attendant ‘Disclosure’ requirement.

 

As we often see, it’s not the crime that gets people jailed, it’s the coverup.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/21/ed-whelan-kavanaugh-tweets-pr-firm-836405

7 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Well, it would seem that the intolerant and thin-skinned leftist crowd is up in arms on this Saturday...

 

Here is more food for thoughts...if you can manage to think...

 

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/brian-banks-due-process/?source=zh

Illiberal has the front to bring up ‘due process’.

 

What like hiding documentation from the Kavanaugh’s appoint ment review committee?

 

Doh!

56 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

 

 

Here is more food for thoughts...if you can manage to think...

 

LOL! Aren't they cute the little man-child fan club members when they question other people's mental faculties. 

Priceless! 

I have no doubt that Dr. Ford had a traumatic experience 36 years ago at a party that was attended by her; another girl and 4 males  (per reports)   She indicated that she was in a bedroom- she had consumed 1 beer- and was then pushed on a bed allegedly by Mr. Kavanaugh who tried to remove her clothes and who then placed  his hand across her mouth to muffle her screams.   According to her story- she was able to 'escape' when Mark Judge, a friend of Mr. Kavanaugh jumped on the bed. 

 

Ms. Ford  was age 15 anf Kavanaugh Age 17.   Ms. Ford  was apparently so traumatized by this incident that she has been under the care of a psychiatrist and sleeps in a bedroom that was  fitted with a door that opens from the inside going out as she has nightmares of being unable to exit  the room while being 'attacked'.  She has also stated some of her friends were told of the event as well as her husband.

 

IMHO- why do the Reubs want to rush the vote when there is a person who has come forward with a serious allegation about  Mr. Kavaaugh's behavior and suitability for the position of Supreme Court Justice- a lifetime appointment.

 

Ms Ford has made a preliminary statement and Mr K has denied anything happened but I don't believe he has denied being at  a party or the party.  I want to have everyone testify and I do believe a preliminary investigation by a law enforcement unit like the FBI is necessary.  What is so hard  to find out the following:

 

-Where was the party held and who owned the house

-Who was at the party- names and what did they see or hear.

-What does the psychiatrist know- dates seen and professional opinion.

-What does Mr Ford's husband know about the incident  and /or friends- when were they told.

-What does Judge Kavanaugh remember- was he at a party at the time  etc.

-A complete statement by every person who attended the party

-Also, I would want to know who leaked  Dr Ford's name to the public as she sought anonymity.

 

The FBI report should be presented to the Senate Committee and then Dr Ford and Mr Kavanaugh questioned by the Committee members.

 

At present, I do not know who to believe as far as what actually happened but I do know something DID happen/  The rush  for the committee to vote makes no sense except political reasons .  It's no wonder the American public are completely disgusted by the political process. The American people want the truth not a bunch of posturing by overpaid politicians.

 

1 hour ago, Thaidream said:

I have no doubt that Dr. Ford had a traumatic experience 36 years ago at a party that was attended by her; another girl and 4 males  (per reports)   She indicated that she was in a bedroom- she had consumed 1 beer- and was then pushed on a bed allegedly by Mr. Kavanaugh who tried to remove her clothes and who then placed  his hand across her mouth to muffle her screams.   According to her story- she was able to 'escape' when Mark Judge, a friend of Mr. Kavanaugh jumped on the bed. 

 

Ms. Ford  was age 15 anf Kavanaugh Age 17.   Ms. Ford  was apparently so traumatized by this incident that she has been under the care of a psychiatrist and sleeps in a bedroom that was  fitted with a door that opens from the inside going out as she has nightmares of being unable to exit  the room while being 'attacked'.  She has also stated some of her friends were told of the event as well as her husband.

 

IMHO- why do the Reubs want to rush the vote when there is a person who has come forward with a serious allegation about  Mr. Kavaaugh's behavior and suitability for the position of Supreme Court Justice- a lifetime appointment.

 

Ms Ford has made a preliminary statement and Mr K has denied anything happened but I don't believe he has denied being at  a party or the party.  I want to have everyone testify and I do believe a preliminary investigation by a law enforcement unit like the FBI is necessary.  What is so hard  to find out the following:

 

-Where was the party held and who owned the house

-Who was at the party- names and what did they see or hear.

-What does the psychiatrist know- dates seen and professional opinion.

-What does Mr Ford's husband know about the incident  and /or friends- when were they told.

-What does Judge Kavanaugh remember- was he at a party at the time  etc.

-A complete statement by every person who attended the party

-Also, I would want to know who leaked  Dr Ford's name to the public as she sought anonymity.

 

The FBI report should be presented to the Senate Committee and then Dr Ford and Mr Kavanaugh questioned by the Committee members.

 

At present, I do not know who to believe as far as what actually happened but I do know something DID happen/  The rush  for the committee to vote makes no sense except political reasons .  It's no wonder the American public are completely disgusted by the political process. The American people want the truth not a bunch of posturing by overpaid politicians.

 

Good comment!

 

But unfortunately it seems many millions of American voters just don't care. It seems one of the main reason for many of them to vote for Trump was the nomination of the supreme court justice(s). These people knew Trump would suggest very conservative judges and Hillary not. According to what I read that was one of the main reasons why people voted for him.

Do these voters, who want a conservative supreme court, care about the truth? It seems the only care about getting a conservative judge - at any price.

That is the level to which America and American voters came down to.

https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/yahoo-news-explains-myths-christine-blasey-ford-debunked-221344325.html

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/defense-kavanaugh-turns-theory-evil-lookalike-collapsing-ridicule-154852188.html 

3 hours ago, Becker said:

LOL! Aren't they cute the little man-child fan club members when they question other people's mental faculties. 

Priceless! 

I am not American (thank God for small favors), not even Canadian, yet I visit threads like this one to corroborate what I read in numerous articles regarding the incredible polarization of the American population.

 

In short, every path, whatever the issue may be, leads to Trump, and you are either WITH him or AGAINST him!

 

A simplistic, binary, system of "thinking" that is eating the country from the inside.

 

The case of Cavanaugh vs Ford should be debated from a legal point of view, and not a political one, yet this proves impossible for the half of the population (80% in the case of California) who hates Trump to the point of having stomach pain.

 

This crowd would be ready to burn at the stake anyone supporting or being supported by Trump, once in possession of the slightest presumption of guilt!

2 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

I am not American (thank God for small favors), not even Canadian, yet I visit threads like this one to corroborate what I read in numerous articles regarding the incredible polarization of the American population.

 

In short, every path, whatever the issue may be, leads to Trump, and you are either WITH him or AGAINST him!

 

A simplistic, binary, system of "thinking" that is eating the country from the inside.

 

The case of Cavanaugh vs Ford should be debated from a legal point of view, and not a political one, yet this proves impossible for the half of the population (80% in the case of California) who hates Trump to the point of having stomach pain.

 

This crowd would be ready to burn at the stake anyone supporting or being supported by Trump, once in possession of the slightest presumption of guilt!

Have you ever asked yourself why this is so? No other president has been so reviled as the present one. Don't you think that to a large extent it's due to his actions and comments?

1 minute ago, Becker said:

Have you ever asked yourself why this is so? No other president has been so reviled as the present one. Don't you think that to a large extent it's due to his actions and comments?

No its because the left has lost power. They hate losing power. Among other reasons. But hey, lets agree to disagree, I dont hate or despise or feel sorry for the anti Trump folks. I dont think they are deplorable, or idiots, or stupid or misguided or ignorant or antisemitic or rascists or fascists or perverts or rapists. I know Anti Trumpers dont feel that way about Trump supporters. I know anti Trumpers share the view that demonizing the other side is not the American way....

24 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

I am not American (thank God for small favors), not even Canadian, yet I visit threads like this one to corroborate what I read in numerous articles regarding the incredible polarization of the American population.

 

In short, every path, whatever the issue may be, leads to Trump, and you are either WITH him or AGAINST him!

 

A simplistic, binary, system of "thinking" that is eating the country from the inside.

 

The case of Cavanaugh vs Ford should be debated from a legal point of view, and not a political one, yet this proves impossible for the half of the population (80% in the case of California) who hates Trump to the point of having stomach pain.

 

This crowd would be ready to burn at the stake anyone supporting or being supported by Trump, once in possession of the slightest presumption of guilt!

It's almost funny what you write.

First you write about the extreme polarization. And as far as I see you are right, this is pretty much what is happening. And it's obviously very bad.

And at the end it seems you are part of that polarization.

How about we wait for a week and he will testify and she will testify about that party and what he did or didn't do.

And then the senators should decide if he is honest and the right man for the job.

19 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

No its because the left has lost power. They hate losing power. Among other reasons. But hey, lets agree to disagree, I dont hate or despise or feel sorry for the anti Trump folks. I dont think they are deplorable, or idiots, or stupid or misguided or ignorant or antisemitic or rascists or fascists or perverts or rapists. I know Anti Trumpers dont feel that way about Trump supporters. I know anti Trumpers share the view that demonizing the other side is not the American way....

Lets make it easy: Do you think Trump behaves the way a president should behave or not?

35 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It's almost funny what you write.

First you write about the extreme polarization. And as far as I see you are right, this is pretty much what is happening. And it's obviously very bad.

And at the end it seems you are part of that polarization.

How about we wait for a week and he will testify and she will testify about that party and what he did or didn't do.

And then the senators should decide if he is honest and the right man for the job.

Before even going that far, as a foreigner I am amazed that there seem to be no status of limitation in the US law.

People can show up decades after "events" and accuse someone publicly, thus threatening to destroy the person not only professionally, but also personally.

As things stand now, I see no difference between the accusation thrown at Cavanaugh by Ford, and the accusation thrown at Unsworth by Musk.

 

And at least with Musk, the so-called "facts" are not decades old.

 

More generally, one will note that it is mostly celebrities who are victims of such late accusations.

 

As long as the accused was a nobody, it seems that his or her past behavior didn't matter, but once he or she becomes a celebrity, then suddenly it matters.

 

As for the Supreme Court judges needing to be perfectly clean, please!

 

Remember that these good judges turned the 2000 election in favor of Junior, even though the Florida recount would have shown he had lost.

 

And as if that was not enough, these wonderful judges came up with their Citizen United ruling, giving corporations the right to influence elections with their money!

 

What a wonderful institution...

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

I am not American (thank God for small favors), not even Canadian, yet I visit threads like this one to corroborate what I read in numerous articles regarding the incredible polarization of the American population.

 

In short, every path, whatever the issue may be, leads to Trump, and you are either WITH him or AGAINST him!

 

A simplistic, binary, system of "thinking" that is eating the country from the inside.

 

The case of Cavanaugh vs Ford should be debated from a legal point of view, and not a political one, yet this proves impossible for the half of the population (80% in the case of California) who hates Trump to the point of having stomach pain.

 

This crowd would be ready to burn at the stake anyone supporting or being supported by Trump, once in possession of the slightest presumption of guilt!

Your take on the situation isn't even close to what is happening.

 

BTW - Do you think Canadians = USA citizens? How cute.

18 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Before even going that far, as a foreigner I am amazed that there seem to be no status of limitation in the US law.

People can show up decades after "events" and accuse someone publicly, thus threatening to destroy the person not only professionally, but also personally.

As things stand now, I see no difference between the accusation thrown at Cavanaugh by Ford, and the accusation thrown at Unsworth by Musk.

 

And at least with Musk, the so-called "facts" are not decades old.

 

More generally, one will note that it is mostly celebrities who are victims of such late accusations.

 

As long as the accused was a nobody, it seems that his or her past behavior didn't matter, but once he or she becomes a celebrity, then suddenly it matters.

 

As for the Supreme Court judges needing to be perfectly clean, please!

 

Remember that these good judges turned the 2000 election in favor of Junior, even though the Florida recount would have shown he had lost.

 

And as if that was not enough, these wonderful judges came up with their Citizen United ruling, giving corporations the right to influence elections with their money!

 

What a wonderful institution...

Yes, I forgot "facts" have a "best before" date. Are you for real? Of course Supreme Court judges should be perfectly clean... its a freaking lifetime appointment for Gods sake.

7 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Yes, I forgot "facts" have a "best before" date. Are you for real? Of course Supreme Court judges should be perfectly clean... its a freaking lifetime appointment for Gods sake.

I don't know about perfectly. If he was a pothead in school, that's a big nothing. But this accusation is about violent sexual assault. 

2 hours ago, Brunolem said:

I am not American (thank God for small favors), not even Canadian, yet I visit threads like this one to corroborate what I read in numerous articles regarding the incredible polarization of the American population.

 

In short, every path, whatever the issue may be, leads to Trump, and you are either WITH him or AGAINST him!

 

A simplistic, binary, system of "thinking" that is eating the country from the inside.

 

The case of Cavanaugh vs Ford should be debated from a legal point of view, and not a political one, yet this proves impossible for the half of the population (80% in the case of California) who hates Trump to the point of having stomach pain.

 

This crowd would be ready to burn at the stake anyone supporting or being supported by Trump, once in possession of the slightest presumption of guilt!

" Intolerant and thin skinned leftist crowd "

I agree with the basic tone of your argument in that US politics has become intolerably partisan. However your remarks above open you up to charges of extreme hypocrisy.

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

Before even going that far, as a foreigner I am amazed that there seem to be no status of limitation in the US law.

People can show up decades after "events" and accuse someone publicly, thus threatening to destroy the person not only professionally, but also personally.

As things stand now, I see no difference between the accusation thrown at Cavanaugh by Ford, and the accusation thrown at Unsworth by Musk.

 

And at least with Musk, the so-called "facts" are not decades old.

 

More generally, one will note that it is mostly celebrities who are victims of such late accusations.

 

As long as the accused was a nobody, it seems that his or her past behavior didn't matter, but once he or she becomes a celebrity, then suddenly it matters.

 

As for the Supreme Court judges needing to be perfectly clean, please!

 

Remember that these good judges turned the 2000 election in favor of Junior, even though the Florida recount would have shown he had lost.

 

And as if that was not enough, these wonderful judges came up with their Citizen United ruling, giving corporations the right to influence elections with their money!

 

What a wonderful institution...

And does all this not convince you that the USA should have 100% honest judges who work in the interest of the people?

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I don't know about perfectly. If he was a pothead in school, that's a big nothing. But this accusation is about violent sexual assault. 

The problem is the lying and not so much what he did in school.

I guess if he would have said at some stage that when he was young he got drunk and made some mistakes then many people would accept that. It is a long time ago and I guess very few of us didn't make any mistakes.

 

But the point is that now he pretends his behavior never happened. And I guess if someone treated a girl like that he should remember - even if he was drunk. So did Ford make up that story and does she lie? Or does he lie? If he lies then he should be no judge - not anywhere even in the smallest court.

7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The problem is the lying and not so much what he did in school.

I guess if he would have said at some stage that when he was young he got drunk and made some mistakes then many people would accept that. It is a long time ago and I guess very few of us didn't make any mistakes.

 

But the point is that now he pretends his behavior never happened. And I guess if someone treated a girl like that he should remember - even if he was drunk. So did Ford make up that story and does she lie? Or does he lie? If he lies then he should be no judge - not anywhere even in the smallest court.

Well, I think he did it and I agree the lying is a big deal. Especially as he's probably going to lie about it under oath very soon. But I reckon his calculation is that as the deck is stacked and the republicans are insisting on an unfair he said/she said sham hearing without further witnesses that he'll definitely get confirmed that way. I agree the ethical thing would be to do as you suggest. But doing that in the current era may or may not result in a confirmation. The thing is as you read more about Ford's story is that she's been traumatized by this incident all her adult life. Kavanaugh could sell it as a youthful mistake but the damage he did which he would have then confessed to will be there for all the world to hear about. 

30 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And does all this not convince you that the USA should have 100% honest judges who work in the interest of the people?

In theory certainly, but one has to be realistic.

 

Washington is not called the swamp for no reason...and swamp creatures, such as those who decide who will seat where, including at the Supreme Court, are not looking for saints, but rather for kindred spirits.

 

In politics, and the Supreme Court is a political institution, considering the selection process, no one reaches the top echelons with one's hands clean.

 

I have no idea whether Cavanaugh did assault that woman long ago, yet he probably accumulated quite a number a skeletons in his closet before reaching the step where he stands now.

Edited September 22, 20187 yr by Brunolem