What do you use for contraception?

[BestB]

46 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

So why not increase that 5% and make it say 20%, do some creative marketing, chase the customer, that's your job.

Because 

 

1. I am not Chinese to make contract with Chinese tour companies 

2. I am not Chinese to advertise  in China or reach out to Chinese agents .

3 All OTA’s target Chinese market , so hotel is available for those travelling alone and it’s not many .

4. I am already listed on Chinese biggest OTA but find them horrible to work with, takes them 6 months to translate anything from English to Chinese. No account manager with any power . Thai office is just a relay to send off to china .

 

But do share from your extensive experience how to attract non group Chinese 

[dabhand]

26 minutes ago, BestB said:

867000 -1 million, same same, moral of the story is the same 

 

ps wrong article , go few days prior where 700 something thousand cancelled their bookings 

Nonsense.

 

The 867,000 are the Chinese arrivals in August. Your comment was '1 million less Chinese arrived in the last month'. Nothing to do with 'cancelled their bookings'.

[simoh1490]

22 minutes ago, BestB said:

Because 

 

1. I am not Chinese to make contract with Chinese tour companies 

2. I am not Chinese to advertise  in China or reach out to Chinese agents .

3 All OTA’s target Chinese market , so hotel is available for those travelling alone and it’s not many .

4. I am already listed on Chinese biggest OTA but find them horrible to work with, takes them 6 months to translate anything from English to Chinese. No account manager with any power . Thai office is just a relay to send off to china .

 

But do share from your extensive experience how to attract non group Chinese 

I'm not in the hotel business but it seems to me that business owners need to rise up to the challenge and try to grab market share, that's what business is about. The other point to make is that Thailand frequently reinvents itself when it comes to visitors home countries, they're very good at that - it's therefore safe to assume that the current trend will change at some point and another country will take pole position, for a while. So if a business is not already used to adapting to those changes they need to get moving on that front, there are a couple hundred of beer bar owners who haven't so you can see what happens if you don't adapt.

[HAKAPALITA]

Its an EEC topic, and they ferangs aint coming due to overvalued TBht and silly visa ideas.

[BestB]

22 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

I'm not in the hotel business but it seems to me that business owners need to rise up to the challenge and try to grab market share, that's what business is about. The other point to make is that Thailand frequently reinvents itself when it comes to visitors home countries, they're very good at that - it's therefore safe to assume that the current trend will change at some point and another country will take pole position, for a while. So if a business is not already used to adapting to those changes they need to get moving on that front, there are a couple hundred of beer bar owners who haven't so you can see what happens if you don't adapt.

Non Chinese business owners can not do anything because most of Chinese tourists are in groups staying in Chinese owned hotels , going to Chinese owned restaurants , getting massages from Chinese owned massage shops and drink in Chinese owned bars. 

 

The non group tourists are very few and most can speak English not needing anything Chinese to get them. 

[BestB]

1 hour ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Its an EEC topic, and they ferangs aint coming due to overvalued TBht and silly visa ideas.

I think it’s a combination .

 

Rates are bad, prices are up, services are down , so people are not coming back 

[bkk6060]

10 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Its an EEC topic, and they ferangs aint coming due to overvalued TBht and silly visa ideas.

 

Sure. If you cannot afford it or qualify for a simple Visa, then why come..

[HAKAPALITA]

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

 

Sure. If you cannot afford it or qualify for a simple Visa, then why come..

Are you some sort of Hostel Dweller.People with money object to being told to leave before they are ready, or go to some dump like Laos to get a bit of paper.

[bkk6060]

1 hour ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Are you some sort of Hostel Dweller.People with money object to being told to leave before they are ready, or go to some dump like Laos to get a bit of paper.

Well, that is a shame however, it is the rules and laws here.

It takes me about 30 minutes once a year.   It is called a Retirement Visa.

But you have to have money to qualify.

I suggest you educate yourself on what options certain people have.

Not everyone needs to run to Laos....

[HAKAPALITA]

5 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Well, that is a shame however, it is the rules and laws here.

It takes me about 30 minutes once a year.   It is called a Retirement Visa.

But you have to have money to qualify.

I suggest you educate yourself on what options certain people have.

Not everyone needs to run to Laos....

Tourists aint ex pats.

[BestB]

13 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Well, that is a shame however, it is the rules and laws here.

It takes me about 30 minutes once a year.   It is called a Retirement Visa.

But you have to have money to qualify.

I suggest you educate yourself on what options certain people have.

Not everyone needs to run to Laos....

You making I sound as if you were a mogul of some kind????,

 

No you do not need money, 15000 to the agent and they make you look like a mogul

 

PS. 800000 is hardly called “having money”

[HAKAPALITA]

Dont bother, you cant win. My point is i could stay in Mote Carlo for as long as i like being from Norway,but come here to no money land and they cant just  acept a nice full current  Bank Book, but Nam n Malaysia did no prob or retirement age needed. Now many friends go for regular breaks to USA, cheap flight and varidly  weather ,Ski Colarado or Burn Forida..

[Pete1980]

22 hours ago, BestB said:

While a nicely put out rant, fact is 1 million less Chinese arrived in the last month as confirmed in another article . So there goes your entire arguement.

I am not arguing mate, I am telling you.

You are the one who says he is struggling.

Just some friendly advice from someone who isn't.

[Pete1980]

17 hours ago, BestB said:

Non Chinese business owners can not do anything because most of Chinese tourists are in groups staying in Chinese owned hotels , going to Chinese owned restaurants , getting massages from Chinese owned massage shops and drink in Chinese owned bars. 

 

The non group tourists are very few and most can speak English not needing anything Chinese to get them. 

No, as I said my friend is getting plenty, from Hong Kong, Macau and Korea. In twenty years she has never been busier. Because she is savvy and adapted to the business conditions.

[Pete1980]

18 hours ago, BestB said:

Because 

 

1. I am not Chinese to make contract with Chinese tour companies 

2. I am not Chinese to advertise  in China or reach out to Chinese agents .

3 All OTA’s target Chinese market , so hotel is available for those travelling alone and it’s not many .

4. I am already listed on Chinese biggest OTA but find them horrible to work with, takes them 6 months to translate anything from English to Chinese. No account manager with any power . Thai office is just a relay to send off to china .

 

But do share from your extensive experience how to attract non group Chinese 

1 Get yourself a Chinese agent, there are plenty around. Korean too.

2 You don't have to be Chinese.

3 How many rooms do you have? I am sure there are more coming than you have rooms

4 6 months for a translation? Gee

[PhilippBKK]

Pattaya is in a bit of a trouble, due to hotel oversupply, changing customer segment and aggressive price war.

Customer segment has changed dramatically over the years from free spending Caucasians to Chinese/Indian Tour Groups who spend very little money outside their packaged activities. This obviously has a huge impact on the entertainment side of Pattaya and the whole red light industry is in need of innovation. Basically the golden Go-Go days are gone and are not coming back.

Walking street is a good example. A friend of mine has been visiting yearly for more than 20 years and to his absolute horror, his favorite Go Go hangout (Moon Club) where he always spent upwards of 100.000 THB  during his 1 month stay had been transformed into a fresh juice and and Thai snack place catering to the hordes of Chinese Tour Groups.

A new business model is being adopted fast out of necessity.

It of course doesn't help that waste water infrastructure is insufficient and there is no real beach.

Pattaya is never going to be a family resort, but a value for money mass market and R&R location for Bangkok.

Perfect place for casinos, but legislation is continuing to be in denial.

And all oldtimers will whine about the good old times, but there is no stopping huge changes.

The effects of the depreciating Yuan and the Phuket boat accident already have a huge impact and it will be very interesting to see how things play out in 2019 with even more hotels added to the mix in Central Pattaya.

[bkk6060]

1 hour ago, PhilippBKK said:

Pattaya is in a bit of a trouble, due to hotel oversupply, changing customer segment and aggressive price war.

Customer segment has changed dramatically over the years from free spending Caucasians to Chinese/Indian Tour Groups who spend very little money outside their packaged activities. This obviously has a huge impact on the entertainment side of Pattaya and the whole red light industry is in need of innovation. Basically the golden Go-Go days are gone and are not coming back.

Walking street is a good example. A friend of mine has been visiting yearly for more than 20 years and to his absolute horror, his favorite Go Go hangout (Moon Club) where he always spent upwards of 100.000 THB  during his 1 month stay had been transformed into a fresh juice and and Thai snack place catering to the hordes of Chinese Tour Groups.

A new business model is being adopted fast out of necessity.

It of course doesn't help that waste water infrastructure is insufficient and there is no real beach.

Pattaya is never going to be a family resort, but a value for money mass market and R&R location for Bangkok.

Perfect place for casinos, but legislation is continuing to be in denial.

And all oldtimers will whine about the good old times, but there is no stopping huge changes.

The effects of the depreciating Yuan and the Phuket boat accident already have a huge impact and it will be very interesting to see how things play out in 2019 with even more hotels added to the mix in Central Pattaya.

Good post, but there have also been several new places open on WS.

I go rarely, but the popular places are still fairly crowded with a few new ones seem to be doing well.

It is more of a tourist novelty. But I do not disagree at some point, maybe 10 years I can see them mostly being gone.

Greed and pushy poor service are not a good mix and at some point I guess even the tourists will figure it out.

 

As far as the whiners, most of the oldtimers I know do not go to WS. There will still be plenty of bars and girls away from WS.  So, what will they whine about?

Will think of something I bet... ????

Edited September 26, 2018 by bkk6060

[BestB]

2 hours ago, Pete1980 said:

No, as I said my friend is getting plenty, from Hong Kong, Macau and Korea. In twenty years she has never been busier. Because she is savvy and adapted to the business conditions.

I love posts “ my friend “ so in reality you have no idea what so ever , even less of an idea when you bring in Korea when discussing Chinese 

[PhilippBKK]

For a more spot on and recent analysis than C9 and STR reports see:

https://skift.com/2018/09/20/chinese-tourism-to-thailand-plunges-due-to-economic-slowdown/

 

Edited September 26, 2018 by PhilippBKK

[morrobay]

18 hours ago, PhilippBKK said:

Pattaya is in a bit of a trouble, 

The effects of the depreciating Yuan and the Phuket boat accident already have a huge impact and it will be very interesting to see how things play out in 2019 with even more hotels added to the mix in Central Pattaya.

And add to the mix for a perfect storm regarding hotel and condo oversupply are the increasing non performing loans as a result of speculation / artificial demand.