webfact Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Trump slams Canada over NAFTA, says rejected Trudeau meeting By David Lawder Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, speaks during a news conference at U.N. headquarters during the General Assembly of the United Nations in Manhattan, New York, U.S., September 26, 2018. REUTERS/Amr Alfiky UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday blasted Canada over the slow pace of talks over NAFTA, saying he was so unhappy that he had rejected Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's request for a one-on-one meeting. The remarks by Trump, who repeated a threat to impose tariffs on Canadian autos, knocked the Canadian dollar <CAD=D4> down to a one-week low against the U.S. greenback <.DXY>. The comments also mark a new low in relations between the two leaders. Trudeau spokeswoman Chantal Gagnon said: "No meeting was requested. We don't have any comment beyond that." The attack cast further doubt on the future of the three-nation North American Free Trade Agreement, which underpins $1.2 trillion in annual trade between Canada, Mexico and the United States. Markets and business groups are openly fretting about the damage that a collapse could provoke. Trump, who wants major changes to the 1994 treaty, has already concluded a text with Mexico and is threatening to leave out Canada unless it signs up by this Sunday. Trump told reporters he had rebuffed a Trudeau request for a meeting "because his tariffs are too high and he doesn't seem to want to move and I told him 'forget about it'. And frankly we're thinking about just taxing cars coming in from Canada." Earlier on Wednesday, Trudeau shrugged off U.S. pressure to quickly agree to a deal and indicated it was possible the three member nations might fail to conclude a new pact. The two sides are still far apart on major issues such as how to settle disputes and U.S. demands for more access to Canada's protected dairy market. "We're very unhappy with the negotiations and the negotiating style of Canada. We don't like their representative very much," Trump said in an apparent reference to Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland. Relations between the Canadian and U.S. leaders have been chilly since June, when Trump left a Group of Seven summit in Canada and then accused Trudeau of being dishonest and weak. U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer - Freeland's counterpart at the talks - on Tuesday had complained Canada was not making enough concessions and said time was running out. Canadian officials said they do not believe Trump can rework NAFTA into a bilateral deal without the approval of Congress. "We will keep working as long as it takes to get to the right deal for Canada," Trudeau earlier told reporters at the United Nations. He has repeatedly said he is ready to walk away from the talks rather than sign a document he thinks is bad. Asked about the challenge that autos tariffs would pose, Trudeau said Canada would need to feel confident "about the path forward as we move forward - if we do - on a NAFTA 2.0." The three nations' auto industries are highly integrated and tariffs on Canadian cars would be hugely disruptive. Speaking separately, Canada's ambassador to Washington said that on a scale of 1 to 10, the chances of an agreement by the Sept. 30 deadline were 5. "If it doesn't happen by the end of the week, we'll just keep working away and trying to get the best deal for Canada," David MacNaughton told a Toronto event arranged by Politico Canada. A Trump administration official said the text of the agreement with Mexico was set to be published on Friday. The official declined to be named because the matter has not yet been made public. A spokesman for the U.S. Trade Representative's Office declined to comment. Trudeau said existing U.S. tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum in late May would have to be scrapped before Canada felt comfortable signing a new NAFTA. The Trump administration has said the text of an agreement between the three nations is needed by Sunday to allow the current Mexican government to sign it before it leaves office at the end of November. (Reporting by David Lawder; Additional reporting by David Ljunggren in Ottawa and David Shepardson in Washington, writing by David Ljunggren; Editing by Nick Zieminski and Lisa Shumaker) -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-09-27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Samui Bodoh Posted September 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2018 I am not a fan of Justin, but I would back him 100% on this. It is a dispute-resolution mechanism that is so key. Apologies to my American friends, but the US has become so untrustworthy that to sign a deal without a clear, independent dispute-resolution system would be utter madness. What Canadian would trust the US to play fair? Five years ago we might have, but now? No. If ever there were two countries that both should and could reach an agreement, it is Canada and the US. "...We don't like their representative very much," Trump said in an apparent reference to Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland..." Wow! Trump does not like a strong, smart woman who is a tough, strong negotiator? Who'd a thunk it? It is terribly sad to see what is occurring south of the border; I can only hope that my American friends get their act together before they do too much more damage to their country. 14 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted September 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2018 America Alone. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sirineou Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 Canada, and other countries would do well to wait a couple of years until Trump is gone and the US government is functional again. 9 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boon Mee Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 Justin from Canada ???? had better wake up and smell the coffee ☕ Fair trade practices are the word of the day. 3 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuckamuck Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 One guy is a wiley old capitalist, the other is a soft headed idealogue. It is no wonder they can't come to an agreement. It's Canada's fault for electing someone with no life or business experience to run the country. But you know, We have a lot of soft headed idealogues in Canada. Hope we find a cure. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: One guy is a wiley old capitalist, the other is a soft headed idealogue. It is no wonder they can't come to an agreement. It's Canada's fault for electing someone with no life or business experience to run the country. But you know, We have a lot of soft headed idealogues in Canada. Hope we find a cure. Utter nonsense. Exactly how is justin Trudeau responsible for Trump's anti-Nafta crusade? What in Trudeau's response to Trump has been soft-headed? I guess the strong anti-Trump sentiments of most Canadians are soft-headed too? 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuckamuck Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Utter nonsense. Exactly how is justin Trudeau responsible for Trump's anti-Nafta crusade? What in Trudeau's response to Trump has been soft-headed? I guess the strong anti-Trump sentiments of most Canadians are soft-headed too? Trudeau is unfit to handle business negotiations with a veteran like Trump. Obviously! You will notice soft heads increase to either sides of the prairies in Canada, that's where the anti Trump message of the MSM has found a place to fester. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebike Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: Trudeau is unfit to handle business negotiations with a veteran like Trump. Obviously! You will notice soft heads increase to either sides of the prairies in Canada, that's where the anti Trump message of the MSM has found a place to fester. I'll admit it is difficult to negotiate with veteran of 6 bankruptcies who believes not paying contractors is a legitimate business practice, but the Canuck team will soldier on... 13 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseafan Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, sirineou said: Canada, and other countries would do well to wait a couple of years until Trump is gone and the US government is functional again. Yes but on the other hand, if only we had a Prime Minister who was as singularly focused for Britain as Trump is for America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebike Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Chelseafan said: Yes but on the other hand, if only we had a Prime Minister who was as singularly focused for Britain as Trump is for America. I don't get comments like this. Is your understanding of current events that 45's rhetoric is the reality and his actions are not? 45 is focused... on his own self-interests, on his cronies self-interests. Wellbeing of the nation? Not so much. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Becker Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chelseafan said: Yes but on the other hand, if only we had a Prime Minister who was as singularly focused for Britain as Trump is for America. The man-child is a narcissist so he is singularly focused on playing to his base, those poor things who make him feel good at his "come-and-cheer-for-me" rallies. He couldn't care less about the irreparable damage this has done and will do to the US and the world. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseafan Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I'm not saying anything other than the guy is an egotistical self-centered <deleted> who shoots from the hip however some heavy 'rhetoric' is probably something Britain needs right at this moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dcutman Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: the US has become so untrustworthy that to sign a deal without a clear, independent dispute-resolution system would be utter madness. Could you articulate that a bit more? How exactly do you think the US would screw Canada? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 God this dude is messed up like a sleazy conn man hopefully we are free of him soon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post xylophone Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Boon Mee said: Justin from Canada ???? had better wake up and smell the coffee ☕ Fair trade practices are the word of the day. So Canada should allow the USA's highly subsidised dairy industry access to Canada's non subsidised dairy industry/market??? I'm afraid the orange clown has no idea as to how industry and commerce work or how applying tariffs will affect the US consumer...….it becomes a no-win situation, but then this clown is only doing it to pump up his own ego. 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 2 hours ago, canuckamuck said: Trudeau is unfit to handle business negotiations with a veteran like Trump. Obviously! You will notice soft heads increase to either sides of the prairies in Canada, that's where the anti Trump message of the MSM has found a place to fester. To be a great negotiator you have to be knowledgeable about the subject in question. Trump's own quotes on the subject show that he is an ignoramus on this as on most other issues. So how can you negotiate meaningfully with an ignoramus? 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebike Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 43 minutes ago, dcutman said: Could you articulate that a bit more? How exactly do you think the US would screw Canada? I know!! Softwood lumber and dairy!! They've been trying for decades. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tchooptip Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 Trump slams Canada over NAFTA, says rejected Trudeau meeting No meeting was requested. We don't have any comment beyond that." No comment! 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebike Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tchooptip said: Trump slams Canada over NAFTA, says rejected Trudeau meeting No meeting was requested. We don't have any comment beyond that." No comment! What more needed to be said? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pegman Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 3 hours ago, canuckamuck said: One guy is a wiley old capitalist, the other is a soft headed idealogue. It is no wonder they can't come to an agreement. It's Canada's fault for electing someone with no life or business experience to run the country. But you know, We have a lot of soft headed idealogues in Canada. Hope we find a cure. Trump's approval rating in Canada is 9%. The low life's in your company are the likes of Harpo & O'Leary. Besides that there is no such thing as a Liberal ideologue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, dcutman said: Could you articulate that a bit more? How exactly do you think the US would screw Canada? WTO rules for Canada in dispute over U.S. duties on glossy paper https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-canada-paper/wto-rules-for-canada-in-dispute-over-u-s-duties-on-glossy-paper-idUSKBN1JV26O There have and are ongoing disputes about softwoods exported by Canada to the USA. Canada has mostly come out on top in these disputes. Reality Check: Has Canada won all past softwood battles? Overall, experts say Canada has generally prevailed through four rounds of the softwood lumber dispute with the U.S., even if the Americans saw some less significant success along the way. https://globalnews.ca/news/3460660/canada-softwood-lumber-battles/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, dcutman said: Could you articulate that a bit more? How exactly do you think the US would screw Canada? If there is no independent court system, then the US would create its own adjudication system and appoint judges who would favor its side. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pegman Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, dcutman said: Could you articulate that a bit more? How exactly do you think the US would screw Canada? If there is no dispute resolution mechanism clause Trump would likely turn around and place 25% national security tariffs on Canadian maple syrup. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pegman Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 3 hours ago, canuckamuck said: Trudeau is unfit to handle business negotiations with a veteran like Trump. Obviously! You will notice soft heads increase to either sides of the prairies in Canada, that's where the anti Trump message of the MSM has found a place to fester. I'm on the prairies right now and just asked around. Yup, everyone here hates Trump alright. In my six decades living on the prairies half that time we have had social democrate governments. Our next door prairie cousins were the first to start socialized medicine in Canada under the CCF. That leaves the other prairie province, Alberta, that is now NDP ruled. The PostMedia chain owns nearly all the print news in Canada and it's all right wing. I don't think any of their papers have ever endorsed any party other than the terrible Tories. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post from the home of CC Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 Trump is looking for another feather in his cap before November. I believe Trudeau thinks a change in the power guard then will favor a better outcome in negotiations. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcutman Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, pegman said: If there is no dispute resolution mechanism clause Trump would likely turn around and place 25% national security tariffs on Canadian maple syrup. You like most others with nothing but Trump hate cannot answer a simple question, but your Trump hate emotions can spew out all kinds of non-sense. How typical! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Srikcir Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 2 hours ago, bristolboy said: To be a great negotiator you have to be knowledgeable about the subject in question. You must also respect the other side. While Trump claims belief in the "strong sovereignty" of a nation, despite pledges to “work together in…harmony and unity,” Trump’s zero-sum, antagonistic rhetoric has already convinced many world leaders that his overriding project is to enhance U.S. sovereignty almost exclusively at the expense of others. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2017/09/20/why-trumps-strong-sovereignty-is-more-familiar-than-you-think/ Not long ago, President Trump boasted in a fundraising speech ... that he made up information in a meeting with the leader of a top U.S. ally, saying he insisted to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that the United States runs a trade deficit with its neighbor to the north without knowing whether that was true. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/03/14/in-fundraising-speech-trump-says-he-made-up-facts-in-meeting-with-justin-trudeau/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.328427913282 Trump is not capable of showing respect to any opposition or resistance. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, dcutman said: You like most others with nothing but Trump hate cannot answer a simple question, but your Trump hate emotions can spew out all kinds of non-sense. How typical! And you ignoring the fact that both pegman and I provided an explanation of how Trump, or, if you will, the USA could screw Canada is also typical. It seems pretty clear that if the adjudicator is appointed by only one party to a dispute, that opens up the opportunity for abuse. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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