animalmagic Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Ctkong said: Can a person be prosecuted in Thailand if he had not legally pass immigration and entered Thai soil ? A person can be prosecuted for offences committed on an airplane, I think the jurisdiction is dependent on the nationality of the airline. I do not know the Thai law on this but assume it is similar to many countries where the offender is tried under the laws of the land in which the immigration channels are located. Although not processed through Immigration they are considered to be in Thailand. There are some odd situations, the new railway station in HK for example, where different legal systems are applied. Part of the station, which is completely in HK, is administered under Chinese law. Obviously the China and HK situation is strange due to the nature of the set up there with HK being a Special Administrative Region of China, but it still has a completely different legal system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayinkrabi Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Farrows3399 said: The Thai guard thinks about as much of these Chinese male tourists as I do. By the way Ray, you need some work on your right. I've never met a 'full Chinese' national so can't comment on them but I have met a few 'mixed' Chinese who have all seemed well educated & polite imo. I guess all officials at airports in all countries must deal with a large number of 'problem people' on a daily basis, so although I sympathise with the Thai security chap (given the facts as we know them so far)...maybe better training is in order? ???? I don't understand your final sentence tho Farrow ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrows3399 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, rayinkrabi said: I've never met a 'full Chinese' national so can't comment on them but I have met a few 'mixed' Chinese who have all seemed well educated & polite imo. I guess all officials at airports in all countries must deal with a large number of 'problem people' on a daily basis, so although I sympathise with the Thai security chap (given the facts as we know them so far)...maybe better training is in order? ???? I don't understand your final sentence tho Farrow ?? I'll refer you to a YouTube video on how to throw a right in boxing. And refer you to Pattaya for some exposure to these full Chinese male tourists. It won't be a total loss for some of the Chinese girls tho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Same old same old two wrongs don't make a right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayinkrabi Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Farrows3399 said: I'll refer you to a YouTube video on how to throw a right in boxing. Arrr now I understand.... ???????? ???? I was referring to 'Job Training' but maybe your idea is better ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalmagic Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Had a chance to look closely at the video. Note that the guard's left hand is placed close to the tourist's mouth and he appears to have a radio in it. The tourist then slaps the guard's hand away before the guard reacts with a swing and then bends to retrieve his radio and again hold in his left hand. Still admit there are better ways for the guard to have reacted but the slapping of the radio from his hand would have been infuriating. GUESSING - The guard may have been offering to let him contact his supervisor or someone who speaks Chinese. GUESSING - The guard may have to pay if his radio is damaged. Happy to be enlightened by anyone with a slowmo and freeze frame. Lack of video before the incident shown is either because none taken or because someone doesn't want to show the lead up to give proper context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADS Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Should not have been a security guard . Should have been immigration and no door out for detainees like other Countries. Security guy only doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 19 hours ago, Parsve said: Probably the guard had missed that Chinese people are high-quality tourists. Seven Chinese gates at Phuket airport now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayinkrabi Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, animalmagic said: the guard's left hand is placed close to the tourist's mouth and he appears to have a radio in it. The tourist then slaps the guard's hand away before the guard reacts. Good detective work AM, If this is indeed the case, then it was the security guard who was first assaulted...surely puts a whole new slant on this? Plus, if true, then the headline should be changed to 'Security guard assaulted by Chinese tourist etc.' Edited October 1, 2018 by rayinkrabi To add last sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Just now, Ctkong said: Shanghai actually has lots of domestic immigrants living there. Most if not all my Shanghai friends are cultured and well mannered. Yes, I think that you may be right. Most of the business people I met were indeed well mannered and softly spoken. Travelling on public transport was another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrens54 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) The Imbecilic alleged tourist, got what he was “asking for.” Top marks to the guard for doing his job. He should be given a Pay Rise instead of being pilloried. Edited October 1, 2018 by metisdead Bold font removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastion Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 The facts are. He had no money to finance his trip. He had no return ticket to leave Thailand. I'm pretty sure most countries will deny entry under that criteria. Sent from my EVA-L19 using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayinkrabi Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Hmmm the plot thickens and I still keep an open mind on this but this could explain why the Thailand PM has reacted so angrily.... Copied from the youtube comment section..."A bit translation to help you guys understand the situation, the chinese guy is shouting "help me video this! he rejected my visa application because i refused to bribe him! He hit me in face once and kick me..." So if this is really the case, the cats out of the bag and the security chap is in the wrong for trying to extort money, but surely everyone knows there is no such thing as corruption in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalmagic Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Just now, rayinkrabi said: Hmmm the plot thickens and I still keep an open mind on this but this could explain why the Thailand PM has reacted so angrily.... Copied from the youtube comment section..."A bit translation to help you guys understand the situation, the chinese guy is shouting "help me video this! he rejected my visa application because i refused to bribe him! He hit me in face once and kick me..." So if this is really the case, the cats out of the bag and the security chap is in the wrong for trying to extort money, but surely everyone knows there is no such thing as corruption in Thailand? In the Chinese language the 3rd person reference may or may not be specifically directed at the security guard, the language simply refers to a third person and does not even easily differentiate between male or female, it is often implied by situation or context. I could not find the youtube clip, there were too many clips of badly behaved tourists to wade through! The words in the video clip may have been spoken to elicit a response online and put pressure on authorities to admit entry, they are not necessarily true. Many people today seem to overreact and play up to the cameras. The tourist may also be accurate in his claim but it is impossible to judge without further info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayinkrabi Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Here's the link....maybe you understand Chinese and can translate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalmagic Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Just now, rayinkrabi said: Here's the link....maybe you understand Chinese and can translate? Apologies but my understanding of Mandarin Chinese is limited, my comments were based on my understanding of Cantonese and the similarities in construction and use of the two when referring to a third person. I have studied both languages but Mandarin only to a basic conversational level, and Cantonese to a more advanced and professional level. I have also seen many cases, both on youtube and in person, where people of Chinese origin have loudly proclaimed police brutality and assault to further their cause. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayinkrabi Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Fair enough AM, and very impressive. I have to admit having trouble with the English language itself...which is quite embarrassing as I was born & bred near London ???? My Friends wife (who speaks fluent Chinese) saw the vid and says he spoke of a 'Tip' being demanded....which as you say may simply be a ruse on his part....but still a strange thing to be shouting out and asking to be filmed....Hmmnm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrows3399 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, rayinkrabi said: Hmmm the plot thickens and I still keep an open mind on this but this could explain why the Thailand PM has reacted so angrily.... Copied from the youtube comment section..."A bit translation to help you guys understand the situation, the chinese guy is shouting "help me video this! he rejected my visa application because i refused to bribe him! He hit me in face once and kick me..." So if this is really the case, the cats out of the bag and the security chap is in the wrong for trying to extort money, but surely everyone knows there is no such thing as corruption in Thailand? ? What's getting thick here is the bs. Security guards do not have anything to do with visas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 hours ago, rayinkrabi said: Hmmm the plot thickens and I still keep an open mind on this but this could explain why the Thailand PM has reacted so angrily.... Copied from the youtube comment section..."A bit translation to help you guys understand the situation, the chinese guy is shouting "help me video this! he rejected my visa application because i refused to bribe him! He hit me in face once and kick me..." So if this is really the case, the cats out of the bag and the security chap is in the wrong for trying to extort money, but surely everyone knows there is no such thing as corruption in Thailand? The guy subsequently claimed that Immigration had asked for 2000 baht "to make the problem go away" the only problem being that he didn't have proof of accommodation in Thailand. All of us who have spent time in Thailand would know that this is a wholly believable scenario. Also, at the time, the authorities went into vehement denial of this claim but subsequently, it was never mentioned and airport heads rolled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Make Chinese Untouchable and let them be able to do anything they want regardless of rule or regulation of the country they visit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ks45672 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 hours ago, tropo said: Not at all - your posts disappear at an alarming rate, son. I'm surprised you're still here. Let's see them screenshots boy... No show we know , you smoking crack.. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigman Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Security has no right to punch any one. There is a training how to response in such situations and second security man reacted properly. That's international place and no one wants to be punched even if is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, gigman said: Security has no right to punch any one. There is a training how to response in such situations and second security man reacted properly. That's international place and no one wants to be punched even if is wrong. It is the job of security men to use physical force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madusa Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 9:28 PM, Classic Ray said: Surprised in a large international airport to never see any armed police patrolling to counter terrorism. See one occasionally whizzing somewhere on a Segway, but nothing similar to the armed patrols in Europe or the US. Police may have slightly better training than a 300 baht/day security guard, although violence seems the first tactic for both security and police here. When I first arrived in Don Mueang airport in 1980 I was curious about a security guard who was leaning on a metal frame divider because he had a bayonet on his belt and a hand grenade hanging on his left pocket area. I didn't see any gun on him though. That impression never left me until today. I was at that time wondering why was he armed like that? How is he going to use the grenade for a start? And is he going to stab terrorist with that dagger. I was later told that soldiers in Laos and Thailand were not paid well and they just arm them whatever they had on hands. Of course today they're well armed. You know where the money went don't you? So that was the reason why I saw that soldier arm with odd weapons. I would love to see him put the pin and loop that grenade at the enemy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Off topic posts and the replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 8:16 PM, worgeordie said: On the video,we don't know what happened before the guard hit him,if the Chinese had stayed where he was supposed to in the detention area,this would never have happened,some of these Chinese deserve a slap,they can be very arrogant. Thailand a bit quick off the mark to grovel to the Chinese. regards worgeordie "Thailand a bit quick off the mark to grovel to the Chinese." Just like the UK and a certain other faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgma Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 8:05 PM, worgeordie said: So the guard will lose his job, for doing his job,he had been denied entry to Thailand ,so goes on walkabout in airport,he refused to stay in the detention room!,sounds like he was trying to enter Thailand anyway. regards worgeordie A guard is there to protect, the tourist police to serve! The Chines provocateur was asking for it while NOT following orders to sit down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalmagic Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 12 hours ago, The manic said: It is the job of security men to use physical force. Can't say I agree with your suggestion. It is the job of security men and police to avoid using physical force wherever possible. Even then it should be a graduated approach using soft control and then hard control techniques; swinging arms and flailing fists are not a recommended tactic. It all boils down to proper training and effective use of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 49 minutes ago, animalmagic said: Can't say I agree with your suggestion. It is the job of security men and police to avoid using physical force wherever possible. Even then it should be a graduated approach using soft control and then hard control techniques; swinging arms and flailing fists are not a recommended tactic. It all boils down to proper training and effective use of it. It sounds like a description of a perfect world. I agree, but theory is not always close to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, mauGR1 said: It sounds like a description of a perfect world. I agree, but theory is not always close to reality. I think conflict management training would be a lost cause here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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