2 hours ago, vinegarbase said:

 

So what if he was a millionaire as a child? 90% of big Asian businesses do the same for their children as well. If he wasn't a good businessman how did he go from millions to billions? Doesn't matter how many times he went bankrupt because most successful CEO's fail many times in their lives before they make it. Once again, the left is digging up ancient graves to try to find a story. It's 2018 last I checked. 

 

Im not really sure that most successful CEOs fail regularly... but OK.

 

what I’m less accepting of is the apparent acceptability that you infer exists towards bankrupts. I’m pretty sure that in “going bankrupt” trump protected himself, personally ..... at the expense of others... it probably matters a lot, to those other peoples

This would only be newsworthy if it was discovered that Trump had played a straight bat.  As it is, this is just confirmation of what a dodgy dealer he is and we really don't need confirmation of that.

48 minutes ago, irwinfc said:

when did this actually happen?

Probably has never stopped and is continuing today.  Barron and Tiffany probably own the land that many trump towers are built and the trump org. is paying them a monthly rent!  That's why he refuses to release his income tax forms.

4 hours ago, vinegarbase said:

 

So what if he was a millionaire as a child? 90% of big Asian businesses do the same for their children as well. If he wasn't a good businessman how did he go from millions to billions? Doesn't matter how many times he went bankrupt because most successful CEO's fail many times in their lives before they make it. Once again, the left is digging up ancient graves to try to find a story. It's 2018 last I checked. 

It's one thing if an entrepeneur starts from scratch, builds something and it ultimately crashed. But Trump took over profitable going concerns, including the family business, and ran them into the ground. He repeatedly overpaid for assets. In other words, The Great Negotiator got outnegotiated time and again.

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It's one thing if an entrepeneur starts from scratch, builds something and it ultimately crashed. But Trump took over profitable going concerns, including the family business, and ran them into the ground. He repeatedly overpaid for assets. In other words, The Great Negotiator got outnegotiated time and again.

Failing in business and not giving up can be a valuable experience because you can learn from mistakes. Many successful CEO's have the same story. The key is the end result which is he has ultimately ended up the President of the United States of America. Yes, sure seems like he was out-negotiated. Trump is not an idiot. 

10 hours ago, YetAnother said:

bunch of tax lawyers , hired by people who can afford it, to end-run the USA tax law; doubt there are Any other rich families in USA that do not do this

No excuses 

31 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

Failing in business and not giving up can be a valuable experience because you can learn from mistakes. Many successful CEO's have the same story. The key is the end result which is he has ultimately ended up the President of the United States of America. Yes, sure seems like he was out-negotiated. Trump is not an idiot. 

He never learned????

29 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

Failing in business and not giving up can be a valuable experience because you can learn from mistakes. Many successful CEO's have the same story. The key is the end result which is he has ultimately ended up the President of the United States of America. Yes, sure seems like he was out-negotiated. Trump is not an idiot. 

So you're evaluating his business ability based on the fact that he became President? Well, I guess you've just proved that Thomas Jefferson was a great businessman, too. All historians would differ with you on that point, but what do they know? Also, Ulysses Grant comes to mind. And I suspect there are others.

As for learning from mistakes, Trump repeatedly made the same mistake: overpaying. And he ran successful businesses  not businesses that he built - but businesses that he bought with his father's money either lent or gifted- into bankruptcy. Repeatedly. 

9 hours ago, NaamGin said:

This story has already been refuted by Trump, stating that the IRS signed off on these types of transactions long ago. Just another attempt by the NY Southern District to "trump" up something to keep the NYT fed with crap.

 

I'm waiting for the NYT to report that there is an eye witness to Trump pulling a train on a group of Midget wrestlers from Mexico and that the alleged victims have engaged the services of Michael Avenatti to represent them. Oh the horror. 

Oh well if Trump refutes the allegations then clearly they cannot be true!

2 hours ago, vinegarbase said:

Failing in business and not giving up can be a valuable experience because you can learn from mistakes. Many successful CEO's have the same story. The key is the end result which is he has ultimately ended up the President of the United States of America. Yes, sure seems like he was out-negotiated. Trump is not an idiot. 

 

That may have been fine for Trump but not so fine for the unpaid creditors, suppliers and ruined businesses he has left behind. But of course they never mattered to Trump, nor it seems, to you.

The man-child draining the swamp.

BWAHAHAHA!

That creep is the ultimate swap dweller perfectly at home on the very bottom. 

LOL, epic:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/filing-by-trumps-federal-judge-sister-led-to-nyt-tax-fraud-expose

Once a con man, always a con man.

But the core "trump" fans can't be convinced by anything. Facts don't matter. The only way to save the USA now is to ignore the hopeless and consolidate those that haven't been infected and end this madness!

It seems the plot thickens.   Some of the information comes from Trump's sister, a Federal Court Judge:

 

Filing by Trump’s Federal Judge Sister Led to NYT Tax-Fraud Exposé

The next Trump family reunion might be a bit contentious. The New York Timeshas revealed that its bombshell story about Donald Trump engaging in “dubious” tax schemes and “outright” fraud to increase his inheritance from his parents’ wealth came about because of a filing made by his federal judge sister. Journalist Susanne Craig said she found the disclosure form Maryanne Trump Barry filed as part of her Senate confirmation hearing. It showed a $1 million contribution from an obscure family-owned company: All County Building Supply & Maintenance. 

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/filing-by-trumps-federal-judge-sister-led-to-nyt-tax-fraud-expose

22 hours ago, Credo said:

Oh well, if Trump said so then it must be so.   He has no history of lying, does he?

 

Despite your desire to hang something on Trump, he never denied that it happened, only that it was not illegal. Far as I can tell he only did what other rich people do.

If it was illegal, the IRS is going to be very embarrassed.

 

This is just the usual TDS from the NYT.

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Once a con man, always a con man.

But the core "trump" fans can't be convinced by anything. Facts don't matter. The only way to save the USA now is to ignore the hopeless and consolidate those that haven't been infected and end this madness!

How is doing something legal a "con"?

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Despite your desire to hang something on Trump, he never denied that it happened, only that it was not illegal. Far as I can tell he only did what other rich people do.

If it was illegal, the IRS is going to be very embarrassed.

 

This is just the usual TDS from the NYT.

One of the examples given was declaring a building at a value of $40 something million and then selling it for 16 times that amount.   

 

The IRS does not, nor can it check out everything.   But if you get in their radar, then beware.   

 

Nothing to do with TDS, everything to do with him being a crook and a liar.

19 hours ago, vinegarbase said:

 

So what if he was a millionaire as a child? 90% of big Asian businesses do the same for their children as well. If he wasn't a good businessman how did he go from millions to billions? Doesn't matter how many times he went bankrupt because most successful CEO's fail many times in their lives before they make it. Once again, the left is digging up ancient graves to try to find a story. It's 2018 last I checked. 

And almost all of Asia is run by dictators and despots.   And yes, it is 2018, so the question is why are you defending a Neanderthal?

 

He is corrupt to the bone.   He lies constantly and his administration is a revolving door of incompetence and illegal activities.   

 

This is situation is pointing to how deep the Trump corruption runs.

 

5 minutes ago, Credo said:

One of the examples given was declaring a building at a value of $40 something million and then selling it for 16 times that amount.   

 

The IRS does not, nor can it check out everything.   But if you get in their radar, then beware.   

 

Nothing to do with TDS, everything to do with him being a crook and a liar.

IMO most politicians are liars, and many are also crooks, so how is he any worse than other politicians?

There are several examples of crooked American politicians, and one ex politician in particular, but I don't need to name them on here. Anyone with any nous knows who they are.

2 minutes ago, Credo said:

And almost all of Asia is run by dictators and despots.   And yes, it is 2018, so the question is why are you defending a Neanderthal?

 

He is corrupt to the bone.   He lies constantly and his administration is a revolving door of incompetence and illegal activities.   

 

This is situation is pointing to how deep the Trump corruption runs.

 

Perhaps you can tell us who, in American politics is a shining example of honesty. I can't think of any.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Despite your desire to hang something on Trump, he never denied that it happened, only that it was not illegal. Far as I can tell he only did what other rich people do.

If it was illegal, the IRS is going to be very embarrassed.

 

This is just the usual TDS from the NYT.

So why doesn't he release his tax returns so that we can see if he ids still doing it now?

1 hour ago, wayned said:

So why doesn't he release his tax returns so that we can see if he ids still doing it now?

I assume that is a rhetorical question.   It's becoming obvious why he doesn't release his tax returns.   He has things to hide.   Big things.   Important things.   Criminal things.

 

NY is now investigating him.  They can go a long ways back if fraud is suspected.   

 

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO most politicians are liars, and many are also crooks, so how is he any worse than other politicians?

There are several examples of crooked American politicians, and one ex politician in particular, but I don't need to name them on here. Anyone with any nous knows who they are.

Wasn't there some claim to draining the swamp?   

 

Lots of people drive drunk, but the excuse 'everyone does it' won't cut it.   Same with speeding.   

 

He is the President and he has engaged in illegal tax fraud and he is being investigated.   

 

So!

Much!

Winning!

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How is doing something legal a "con"?

It's amazing to me that you Trump guys have to keep going back to the "legal" thing.  It's perfectly legal for Trump to lie his ass off to the American people.  Lying to someone is a type of conning.  Many Trump supporters have said that they voted for Trump because they thought he was a successful businessman.  So they were conned.  Can't you see that? 

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO most politicians are liars, and many are also crooks, so how is he any worse than other politicians?

There are several examples of crooked American politicians, and one ex politician in particular, but I don't need to name them on here. Anyone with any nous knows who they are.

False equivalence - booooooring. That's what you man-child fanboys revert to every time the POS in the WH is revealed for what he really is.

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps you can tell us who, in American politics is a shining example of honesty. I can't think of any.

Most of us would settle for someone who is fairly normal, i.e. someone who isn't a compulsive serial lying misogynistic narcissistic thin skinned dim witted snake oil salesman.

Everyone knows that politicians are human and therefore flawed. That doesn't mean we have to elect as leaders those who are most flawed - and the man-child is certainly in the running for that title.

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO most politicians are liars, and many are also crooks, so how is he any worse than other politicians?

There are several examples of crooked American politicians, and one ex politician in particular, but I don't need to name them on here. Anyone with any nous knows who they are.

Actually most politicians will omit information, slant information, dodge questions, etc., but avoid outright lies.  Not Trump, if his mouth is open it is a safe bet he is lying.  He buries the public with so many lies the fact checkers can't keep up.

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO most politicians are liars, and many are also crooks, so how is he any worse than other politicians?

There are several examples of crooked American politicians, and one ex politician in particular, but I don't need to name them on here. Anyone with any nous knows who they are.

Virtually, all people, not just politicians, lie and tell falsehoods at least occasionally. Does that mean that you can't trust anything they say? Whereas Trump...

President Trump has made 4,229 false or misleading claims in 558 days

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/01/president-trump-has-made-4229-false-or-misleading-claims-in-558-days/?utm_term=.12e563bd53e3

Hey Donny, no pardon for state charges, and just remember Leona Helmsley, The Queen of Mean