2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

In that case they will be very happy with a no deal Brexit and that is what the government will be pushing for.  Doesn't look like that but hey!  Might well be where we end up!  Better have a word with Liam Fox as well as he has said that a longer transition period is needed to make a free trade deal and also Hammond who has said that with no deal the UK will probably still have to pay about 36 billion pounds.  All going swimmingly then.

PM May stated in PM Questions today that the UK would honour their pledge of the 39 billion offered even in the event of a no deal. But will PM May even be PM at that time, one would hope not.

In today’s Dutch ‘De Volkskrant’ newspaper:

15 hours ago, oilinki said:

Well, she is physicist by profession so she knows well the quantum mechanics uncertainty principle. That's her Schrödinger's handbag.

A physicist? You'd better update Wiki!

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A physicist? You'd better update Wiki!

I don't have to. At least in English version it's already up to date. Not your average politician.

 

On 10/17/2018 at 8:08 AM, whatsupdoc said:

I guess that the UK still thinks that after a messy Brexit everything will turn out fine.

And yes, they may be right.

It is a bit like the Titanic; Initially there was a lot of panic but in the end the situation stabilized and now it doesn't sink any further.

 

The problem is the EU always were going to offer what the wanted, take it or leave it, and never really negotiate.

 

All this crap about a soft brexit is just that, crap. The UK has to be either in or out and face the consequences either way. Expecting favors, special treatment, and honest ethical negotiations is naive at best.

16 hours ago, vogie said:

PM May stated in PM Questions today that the UK would honour their pledge of the 39 billion offered even in the event of a no deal. But will PM May even be PM at that time, one would hope not.

 

Actually, they don't have to pay a penny or a cent. If there is no deal, there is no deal. If the EU play hardball then so must the UK.

 

Sad it's come to this but once the vote was to leave it was obvious to anyone that the EU would never want to give any kind of good deal. That would open the gates for more countries to leave. 

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Actually, they don't have to pay a penny or a cent. If there is no deal, there is no deal. If the EU play hardball then so must the UK.

 

Sad it's come to this but once the vote was to leave it was obvious to anyone that the EU would never want to give any kind of good deal. That would open the gates for more countries to leave. 

I totally agree with you, but I am just reiterating as to what PM May said when Jeremy Corbyn asked Mrs May about the severence monies at PM questions in Parliament yesterday.

9 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Actually, they don't have to pay a penny or a cent. If there is no deal, there is no deal. If the EU play hardball then so must the UK.

 

Sad it's come to this but once the vote was to leave it was obvious to anyone that the EU would never want to give any kind of good deal. That would open the gates for more countries to leave. 

Those are two separate issues and deals. First one is done. Second one is not.

 

These negotiations were never done by two equal partners. We have had EU-27 and UK-4 on opposite sides of the table. Naturally EU-27 does a deal which suits us the best. UK tries to do a deal, which suits UK-4 the best. 

Looking back, it took the UK 9 months, after the referendum, to the formal announcement of their departure from the EU. The EU started preparations immediately after the referendum, covering each and every legal and political angle. The UK did not even start planning in these 9 months, and arrived at the first relevant meeting literally empty-handed. Barnier with his files on one side, and across the table Davis - if I remember the name correctly - without a single sheet of paper, and, more importantly, without a clue of how to handle Brexit. Well, that meeting was a very short one.......... 

Now, much later, the UK still hasn’t managed to come up with a coherent plan. Sad!

Edited October 18, 20187 yr by damascase

48 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Actually, they don't have to pay a penny or a cent. If there is no deal, there is no deal.

What the U.K. has to pay is not a deal. It’s outstanding obligations. When you sign up for a 12-Months gym membership and cancel after 6 months, you still have to pay the remaining 6 month (even if the gym doesn’t respond to your demand for a special deal in which you can use the gym without paying for it). 

 

 

48 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Actually, they don't have to pay a penny or a cent. If there is no deal, there is no deal.

What the U.K. has to pay is not a deal. It’s outstanding obligations. When you sign up for a 12-Months gym membership and cancel after 6 months, you still have to pay the remaining 6 month (even if the gym doesn’t respond to your demand for a special deal in which you can use the gym without paying for it). 

 

 

48 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Actually, they don't have to pay a penny or a cent. If there is no deal, there is no deal.

What the U.K. has to pay is not a deal. It’s outstanding obligations. When you sign up for a 12-Months gym membership and cancel after 6 months, you still have to pay the remaining 6 month (even if the gym doesn’t respond to your demand for a special deal in which you can use the gym without paying for it). 

 

 

54 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

What the U.K. has to pay is not a deal. It’s outstanding obligations. When you sign up for a 12-Months gym membership and cancel after 6 months, you still have to pay the remaining 6 month (even if the gym doesn’t respond to your demand for a special deal in which you can use the gym without paying for it). 

 

 

We actually don't have to pay a penny if we don't want to, we are paying it because the UK is decent, and if the EU was the same we wouldn't be leaving, think about it.

17 minutes ago, vogie said:

We actually don't have to pay a penny if we don't want to, we are paying it because the UK is decent, and if the EU was the same we wouldn't be leaving, think about it.

Yes, fulfilling contractual obligations where you agreed to and signed up for is ‘decent’, anything else isn’t. Who would want to have an agreement with you knowing that your signature means nothing?

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On 10/17/2018 at 12:33 PM, welovesundaysatspace said:

The referendum wasn’t about future relationships, so an FTA doesn’t have anything to do with delivering on the referendum decision. Any deal about future relationships would deliver on the referendum result, as long as the U.K. leaves the EU prior to that future relationship. 

Eh? The referendum was a straight in or out. "Out" won. After "out" the 2 parties will be independent. Independent parties trade via FTAs. Hope that helps.

 

Not sure what country you're from, but the pursuit of Free Trade was very much part of the discussion prior to the referendum; it's core to re-establishing sovereignty.

Edited October 18, 20187 yr by My Thai Life

Just now, My Thai Life said:

After "out" the 2 parties will be independent. Independent parties trade via FTAs.

Oh, and you decide how two independent parties trade with each or structure their future relationship? You’re wrong; they can trade via FTA or via a Norway-style agreement or via whatever they agree on a two sovereign contractual parties. 

 

Just now, My Thai Life said:

Hope that helps.

Ditto. 

1 hour ago, damascase said:

Yes, fulfilling contractual obligations where you agreed to and signed up for is ‘decent’, anything else isn’t. Who would want to have an agreement with you knowing that your signature means nothing?

Many people have used the example of divorce. When you split you don't continue to pay for developments from which you get no longer receive benefits. Hope that helps.

 

Actually, when you split you receive a share of the assets. And I'm sure there are civil servants working out how much the EU will owe the UK on departure.

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Oh, and you decide how two independent parties trade with each or structure their future relationship? You’re wrong; they can trade via FTA or via a Norway-style agreement or via whatever they agree on a two sovereign contractual parties.

EEA no, EFTA possibly but extremely unlikely.

I'm sure this kind of information is not reported widely in your national press. It's too specific to be of interest to you.

19 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

EEA no, EFTA possibly but extremely unlikely.

I'm sure this kind of information is not reported widely in your national press. It's too specific to be of interest to you.

Once again trying to make the nationality of the poster -alleged or acknowledged - an issue. Stick to the facts of the case. Facts don't care about where you come from.

22 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

EEA no, EFTA possibly but extremely unlikely.

I'm sure this kind of information is not reported widely in your national press. It's too specific to be of interest to you.

Who are you to decide what is of interest to others? Misplaced superiority feelings?

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Once again trying to make the nationality of the poster -alleged or acknowledged - an issue. Stick to the facts of the case. Facts don't care about where you come from.

Absolute nonsense. The citizens of a country have a longer and deeper knowledge of the facts, opinions and nuances. They also have a personal stake.

 

Looking at this Brexit catastrophe I wonder why anybody still wants to be a politician. They are obviously useless, almost all of them.

Do they have fun doing that job or are they just not able to get a proper job or why are they doing that?

If managers in a private company would be incompetent like that they would have been fired a long time ago.

Now the UK politicians work on Brexit since more than two years and they still pretend they can have their cake and eat it.

It would be funny if it wouldn't be so tragic for many millions of people.

And now May thinks about an extension. More time for what? Waiting that the EU will change their mind? You need a very long extension for that one.

 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

We actually don't have to pay a penny if we don't want to, we are paying it because the UK is decent, and if the EU was the same we wouldn't be leaving, think about it.

Sure, on top of the chaos on Day-1 the U.K. certainly wants a lawsuit and to be known as a state that doesn’t respect contractual obligations. Keep believing that. 

49 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

EEA no, EFTA possibly but extremely unlikely.

Nonsense. Of course U.K. and EU could negotiate a Norway-style agreement if they want to. 

 

55 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Many people have used the example of divorce. When you split you don't continue to pay for developments from which you get no longer receive benefits. Hope that helps.

You can use whatever apples and oranges you want to for comparison. Doesn’t change the contractual obligations the U.K. has. Those won’t just vanish because “Many people have used the example of divorce.” Hope that helps. 

 

 

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Sure, on top of the chaos on Day-1 the U.K. certainly wants a lawsuit and to be known as a state that doesn’t respect contractual obligations. Keep believing that. 

Many people have used the example of a divorce.

Well, when you split you don't continue to pay for projects for which you no longer receive the benefits. Hope this helps you understand the situation.

 

Actually, when you split you receive a share of the assets. Civil servants are currently assessing how much the EU will owe the UK on 30th March 2019.

 

 

5 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Many people have used the example of a divorce.

Well, when you split you don't continue to pay for projects for which you no longer receive the benefits. Hope this helps you understand the situation.

 

Actually, when you split you receive a share of the assets. Civil servants are currently assessing how much the EU will owe the UK on 30th March 2019.

 

 

You can use whatever apples and oranges you want to for comparison. Doesn’t change the contractual obligations the U.K. has. Those won’t just vanish because “Many people have used the example of divorce.” Hope that helps. 

40 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You can use whatever apples and oranges you want to for comparison. Doesn’t change the contractual obligations the U.K. has. Those won’t just vanish because “Many people have used the example of divorce.” Hope that helps. 

No it doesn't help you.  If you believe that the financial "settlement" is settled, maybe you could share your knowledge with us. Because there are hundreds of professionals and politicians in Europe at present trying to figure this out, and there is no consensus at all.

 

If you've got the solution, email Raab-Barnier-May-Merkel etc etc.

Many people have used the example of a divorce.
Well, when you split you don't continue to pay for projects for which you no longer receive the benefits. Hope this helps you understand the situation.
 
Actually, when you split you receive a share of the assets. Civil servants are currently assessing how much the EU will owe the UK on 30th March 2019.
 
 

An article came out in the lasf couple of days that stated UK would only same 9 billion at most with a no deal. They would lose in international arbitration for 30 to 36 billion even if no deal.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1032512/Brexit-news-divorce-bill-philip-hammond-theresa-may

EU or not EU, UK is still responsible for debts, and will be looking for some free trade deals in the future. Non payment would seriously impact the ability to negotiate those deals.

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