Slip Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: Oh really. Do tell. The audio recording of the lead Saudi interrogator telling the Consul, who was protesting the de-fingering in his office, to "shut up if he wants to live when he returns home" seems damning. I don't think this was a rendition gone awry. Decapitating someone seems more than likely to lead to death? But keep digging, I'm sure you'll come up with a mutually acceptable line of defense. The next bit is pretty damning too... Quote A top Saudi doctor of forensics had been brought along for the dissection and disposal of the body — an addition to the team that Turkish officials have called evidence of premeditation. And as the agents cut off Mr. Khashoggi’s head and dismembered his body, the doctor had some advice, according to the senior Turkish official. Listen to music, he told them, as he donned headphones himself. That was what he did to ease the tension when doing such work, the doctor explained, according to the official describing the contents of the audio recordings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: Oh really. Do tell. The audio recording of the lead Saudi interrogator telling the Consul, who was protesting the de-fingering in his office, to "shut up if he wants to live when he returns home" seems damning. I don't think this was a rendition gone awry. Decapitating someone seems more than likely to lead to death? But keep digging, I'm sure you'll come up with a mutually acceptable line of defense. You've misquoted me a bit there . We were talking about Riyadh giving orders to kill him . Riyadh could have given orders to interrogate him and then bring him back to Saudi and there interrogators may have gone too far and accidentally killed him and then decapitated his body and disposed of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mtls2005 Posted October 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, sanemax said: All the furor that is has caused would be a reason as to why they wouldnt want to do it at the Embassy , it would have been better to get him to Saudi and make him disappear there , if thats what they intended to do . If they wanted him dead , they could have done it away from the embassy and leaving no evidence I think this was much more about "sending a message" than simply killing one pesky citizen. Sending a message means it has to be public, brazen, done without fear of retribution. Bagging and tagging him in the desert in Saudi Arabia doesn't really send a message. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tug said: The Saudis aren’t going to kill any arms deal with us over this botched murder of a journalist it is a perfect opportunity to hold their feet to the fire (well deserved I might add)that would take leadership and courage sadly lacking in this administration The more likely direction of any such supposed holding-feet-to-fire would be to get better terms on future deals, amend conditions of previous ones, and pressuring SA to comply with standing items on the agenda (examples - oil production and price, regional geopolitical affairs). Edited October 18, 2018 by Morch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanrchase Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 All the furor that is has caused would be a reason as to why they wouldnt want to do it at the Embassy , it would have been better to get him to Saudi and make him disappear there , if thats what they intended to do . If they wanted him dead , they could have done it away from the embassy and leaving no evidence If you commit the alleged crime in your embassy I would think you can can manage the witnesses. If you do it in the street witnesses could be a problem?Sent from my SM-A500F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, sanemax said: We were talking about Riyadh giving orders to kill him . I'm sure they have some local euphemism for what they did, I mean they've been doing it for a long, long, long time. I will stipulate that that MbS did not write down orders to kill Khashoggi. It seems like U.S. intel had advanced knowledge about some plot that might endanger Khashoggi, but I'm sure MbS checked with Jared before implementing the plan. Maybe he just told Jared they wanted to bring him back to Saudi Arabia for a "chat" and Jared said, in his squeaky voice, "sure". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, sanemax said: It needs to be established whether the order was to kill him . Seems like the order was to take him back to Saudi Arabia . Seems like the interrogators made a mistake in their handling of the situation . Put the integrators on trial and thats all that needs to be done Giving the kidnapping part a free pass there, never mind the torture bit. Edited October 18, 2018 by Morch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Morch said: The more likely direction of any such supposed holding-feet-to-fire would be to get better terms on future deals, amend conditions of previous ones, and pressuring SA to comply with standing items on the agenda (examples - oil production and price, regional geopolitical affairs). Rare that I could agree with you. But on this post, I agree. Why? Because that would be within true Trump style. Right or wrong, morals be dammed, just black mail the bastards ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, neeray said: Rare that I could agree with you. But on this post, I agree. Why? Because that would be within true Trump style. Right or wrong, morals be dammed, just black mail the bastards ! Are you concerned about justice for Khasoggi , do you want his killers bought to justice or are you just using this story, his death, to bash Donald ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, poohy said: What about the millions dying in the Saudi lead USA sponsored genocide in Yemen. Look, stop exaggerating , there are not "millions dying in a USA sponsored genocide in Yemen" . I deleted the rest of your post because I didnt read it , stop posting nonsense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, sanemax said: It would be rather extreme for the USA to cut ties with Saudi Arabia , just because one journalist may have accidentally died during questioning It's very upsetting when one hear's conflicting stories! Hopefully ,Pompao will get to the truth,being the head of the CIA at one time! "Some on the right in the US have attempted to portray Khashoggi as an extremist due to his interview with Osama bin Laden and ties to the Muslim Brotherhood". "There's no strong evidence Khashoggi was sympathetic to terrorism". https://www.businessinsider.com/missing-saudi-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-ties-to-osama-bin-laden-islamists-2018-10 Edited October 18, 2018 by riclag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, sanemax said: Are you concerned about justice for Khasoggi , do you want his killers bought to justice or are you just using this story, his death, to bash Donald ? Justice is my number one concern. Seeing your Donald handle something honestly for a change without playing dodge ball is my number two concern. Why must he always protect the thugs !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, sanemax said: Look, stop exaggerating , there are not "millions dying in a USA sponsored genocide in Yemen" . Well, can we get back to you after ~ 10 million die in Yemen from famine next year? 5 minutes ago, riclag said: "Some on the right in the US have attempted to portray Khashoggi as an extremist due to his interview with Osama bin Laden and ties to the Muslim Brotherhood" Some might ask why he was given a Green Card, but I do understand the need to obfuscate the current view which looks quite damning. Portraying the "dismembered one" as the bad guy is but one of several options. Go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 hours ago, mtls2005 said: I don't want to talk about any of the facts. The fix is in already and it is all about arms, money, US jobs and oil. 5 hours ago, Lungstib said: Given Trumps ability to deny virtually anything I see no problem with just the disappearance of one man, who incidentally was a journalist, not his favourite species. Anyway, whats all the fuss about a lone specimen when your exports to the KSA are killing thousands of innocent people in the Yemen. That's the world of business, who cares about a few bodies. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 minute ago, neeray said: Justice is my number one concern. Seeing your Donald handle something honestly for a change without playing dodge ball is my number two concern. Why must he always protect the thugs !!! Theres no need to call him "your Donald" , he isnt my Donald . Donald isnt protecting anyone , although you can understand him not wanting the USA to fall out with S.A. over this matter . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohy Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, sanemax said: Look, stop exaggerating , there are not "millions dying in a USA sponsored genocide in Yemen" . I deleted the rest of your post because I didnt read it , stop posting nonsense What Absolute ignorance! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Hey, things are looking up! https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-paid-100-million-us-mike-pompeo-visit-riyadh-2018-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, neeray said: Justice is my number one concern. Seeing your Donald handle something honestly for a change without playing dodge ball is my number two concern. Why must he always protect the thugs !!! Because the thugs always protect him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 "US officials denied that the payment had anything to do with Pompeo's visit or Khashoggi, though a source told The New York Times that the timing of the deposit "was no coincidence." https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-paid-100-million-us-mike-pompeo-visit-riyadh-2018-10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, lannarebirth said: Hey, things are looking up! https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-paid-100-million-us-mike-pompeo-visit-riyadh-2018-10 US foreign policy for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, lannarebirth said: Hey, things are looking up! https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-paid-100-million-us-mike-pompeo-visit-riyadh-2018-10 Gives new meaning to the term "Bag Man"? At $100 million a pop one can see Trump figuring how to get Jim Acosta, and a few others, to report from Saudi Arabia. Who needs "Arms" deals when we can throw in all the body parts. Pure profit, and win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: US foreign policy for sale. The wheels of US foreign policy are well oiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: Gives new meaning to the term "Bag Man"? At $100 million a pop one can see Trump figuring how to get Jim Acosta, and a few others, to report from Saudi Arabia. Who needs "Arms" deals when we can throw in all the body parts. Pure profit, and win-win. I believe the article that the payment was scheduled to arrive based on commitments made many months ago. The timing however begs askance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, sanemax said: You've misquoted me a bit there . We were talking about Riyadh giving orders to kill him . Riyadh could have given orders to interrogate him and then bring him back to Saudi and there interrogators may have gone too far and accidentally killed him and then decapitated his body and disposed of it Riyadh could quite easily have drugged him, put him in a diplomatic baggage, shipped him off to Riyadh and done the whole job there and then disposed of him. Instead it seems as though they managed to FUBAR the job and this is the resultant mess. Edited October 18, 2018 by billd766 added extra text 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 In stead of declaring America the villain! Seem's to me the Turks have to come up with proof that substantiates some of the so called top Turk officials claims! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanrchase Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 In stead of declaring America the villain! Seem's to me the Turks have to come up with proof that substantiates some of the so called top Turk officials claims!Exactly! Trust the Turks or trust Trump?Sent from my SM-A500F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 minute ago, alanrchase said: Exactly! Trust the Turks or trust Trump? Sent from my SM-A500F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, riclag said: Evidence Not even Trump is accusing Turks of lying, apparently logic is not your best friend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said: Not even Trump is accusing Turks of lying, apparently logic is not your best friend. Evidence wins the day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakename Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Whatever we do, dont talk about FACTS! Same as his boss, DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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