dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said: Exactly. For some obscure (.....????) reason, the Brit. govt. is pursuing him with far more vigour than any other bail-jumper - even though the original charges have been dropped..... Govts. aren't keen on whistle blowers - and Assange has been the ultimate whistle blower. 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: So obscure to be void of evidence. Assange isn’t being pursued, everyone knows exactly where he’s hiding. He’ll be allowed to remain there until the FBI decide they’re ready to have a face to face chat with him. When that time comes, but not before, the Ecuadorian’s will toss him out onto the street. Assange’s days of freedom are over, he should make better use of them than hiding in a cupboard. "Assange isn’t being pursued, everyone knows exactly where he’s hiding." Do you know of any other bail jumper that has had such a response from the Brit. police? Yes, they know where he's staying - and spent millions in tax payer money ensuring that he cannot leave! When did they last put this amount of money and effort into a bail jumper? Your third para. just makes clear the motivation behind all of this:- "He’ll be allowed to remain there until the FBI decide they’re ready to have a face to face chat with him"...... Edited October 20, 2018 by dick dasterdly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Old Croc said: If I was a Brit I would be releasing my venom, not on Assange, but on my government for the millions it has spent guarding and trying to arrest the guy for the heinous crime of jumping bail on trumped up charges in another country that have now been dropped. They're leaving the EU with a bad, or no, deal and have been told where to go by the US, and yet they still want to pursue this pathetic character on their behalves. Why not just let the guy get on a plane to anywhere and stop spending money on him. This is the same government that sold off it's Thai embassy and shut down most of the services needed by it's own citizens. "If I was a Brit I would be releasing my venom, not on Assange, but on my government for the millions it has spent guarding and trying to arrest the guy for the heinous crime of jumping bail on trumped up charges in another country that have now been dropped." Agree 100%. Edit - Sadly, more than a few, genuinely believe that whistle blowers (but only those that reveal secrets they don't like....) - are traitors/should be imprisoned etc..... Edited October 20, 2018 by dick dasterdly 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said: "Assange isn’t being pursued, everyone knows exactly where he’s hiding." Do you know of any other bail jumper that has had such a response from the Brit. police? Yes, they know where he's staying - and spent millions in tax payer money ensuring that he cannot leave! When did this last put this amount of money and effort into a bail jumper? Your third para. just makes clear the motivation behind all of this:- "He’ll be allowed to remain there until the FBI decide they’re ready to have a face to face chat with him"...... Assange was placed under police watch during the time a European arrest warrant was issued against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, the guest said: Boot him out of the embassy, I think he has overstayed his welcome. British will arrest him, and hopefully deport him first to Sweden where he should face charges. Then if USA want him, extradite his arse, where I'm sure you won't hear from Assange ever again. Sweden has dropped the charges. Based on what I've seen I doubt he'll be extradited to the USA. But I understand he doesn't trust my guess on this. 6 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: "Assange isn’t being pursued, everyone knows exactly where he’s hiding." Do you know of any other bail jumper that has had such a response from the Brit. police? Yes, they know where he's staying - and spent millions in tax payer money ensuring that he cannot leave! When did this last put this amount of money and effort into a bail jumper? Your third para. just makes clear the motivation behind all of this:- "He’ll be allowed to remain there until the FBI decide they’re ready to have a face to face chat with him"...... There is no Assange guard anymore, for quite some time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, stevenl said: Sweden has dropped the charges. Based on what I've seen I doubt he'll be extradited to the USA. But I understand he doesn't trust my guess on this. There is no Assange guard anymore, for quite some time now. You are correct insomuch as the police guard has been removed, but then the guard on Assange was not a subject of my post. Assange is almost certainly right not to trust you regarding extradition to the US. Mueller has Assange in his sights. I’d not bet against Mueller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: Assange was placed under police watch during the time a European arrest warrant was issued against him. Your adherence, once again, to the RT spin is noted. ???? I was about to ask as to the meaning of RT -, but quickly realised it must mean Russia Today (or something similar). Assuming I'm right, why do a few posters immediately think that anyone that disagrees with them is a russian troll???? Please answer the points I've raised, rather than jumping to stupid conclusions! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, stevenl said: Sweden has dropped the charges. Based on what I've seen I doubt he'll be extradited to the USA. But I understand he doesn't trust my guess on this. There is no Assange guard anymore, for quite some time now. If Assange felt safe to leave the Ecuadorian Embassy - I've no doubt he would have left a while ago. As others have pointed out - if he left, he would immediately be arrested by the Brit. police. The presence may not be as obvious, but does anyone seriously doubt that he would be arrested immediately he left the Embassy?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Assange was placed under police watch during the time a European arrest warrant was issued against him. Your adherence, once again, to the RT spin is noted. "Your adherence, once again, to the RT spin is noted." Actually, I'm getting more and more annoyed at this comment. Please withdraw it immediately as an obvious, unwarranted slur against another poster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You are correct insomuch as the police guard has been removed, but then the guard on Assange was not a subject of my post. Assange is almost certainly right not to trust you regarding extradition to the US. Mueller has Assange in his sights. I’d not bet against Mueller. Since I didn't respond to or quote you, I don't care very much that you react to my post with a reaction 'but then the guard on Assange was not a subject of my post.'. Edited October 20, 2018 by stevenl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: If Assange felt safe to leave the Ecuadorian Embassy - I've no doubt he would have left a while ago. As others have pointed out - if he left, he would immediately be arrested by the Brit. police. The presence may not be as obvious, but does anyone seriously doubt that he would be arrested immediately he left the Embassy?? Of course he would be arrested, and should be, he violated British law by jumping bail. And with the embassy being guarded already, yes, it would be a quick arrest, but IMO not due to the fact that he is placed under guard or the UK is spending additional money on his presence there. Edited October 20, 2018 by stevenl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanista Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 The UK justice system has just released a muslim psychopath back onto the streets .Chaudry? He wants to turn all British Christians into red dust. Why would England be so concerned about Assange and his cats ? Escort him back to the airport and put him on a plane to OZ. The yanks will have to try and whack him before he gets on the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: If Assange felt safe to leave the Ecuadorian Embassy - I've no doubt he would have left a while ago. As others have pointed out - if he left, he would immediately be arrested by the Brit. police. The presence may not be as obvious, but does anyone seriously doubt that he would be arrested immediately he left the Embassy?? Let's quit pretending that Assange is not an agent of the Russian government and that he has not spent a great deal of time and effort attacking the US. He is very clearly implicated in the Russian interference of the 2016 US election. He is a legitimate target of US law enforcement and he will wind up in a US Federal prison. Meanwhile Assange is holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy of his own volition, he can leave whenever he likes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said: Exactly. For some obscure (.....????) reason, the Brit. govt. is pursuing him with far more vigour than any other bail-jumper - even though the original charges have been dropped..... Govts. aren't keen on whistle blowers - and Assange has been the ultimate whistle blower. There is no police guard on the embassy other than protection that is given to any other embassy in the UK, the police watch for him slipping out the the back door has long been dropped, and yes it cost millions... As for the charges being dropped, they ran out due to "Statutes of Limitation" not because they found over evidence that discredited the charges. Just because the charges or more to the point the extradition request that lead to him being bailed has now been dropped does not negate the crime of skipping bail. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Let's quit pretending that Assange is not an agent of the Russian government and that he has not spent a great deal of time and effort attacking the US. He is very clearly implicated in the Russian interference of the 2016 US election. He is a legitimate target of US law enforcement and he will wind up in a US Federal prison. Meanwhile Assange is holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy of his own volition, he can leave whenever he likes. Let's quit pretending that the US is not seriously angry that he dared to be a whistle blower. and show the world some of the things they would prefer hidden. Your post is derisory at best (for anyone capable of thinking for themselves.....) in all respects. Edited October 20, 2018 by dick dasterdly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, dick dasterdly said: Let's quit pretending that the US is not seriously angry that he dared to be a whistle blower. and show the world some of the things they would prefer hidden. Your post is derisory at best, in all respects. Where did this suggestion or otherwise of ''angry" come from? 'Anger' has no part to play in what is going to happen to Assange. Assange is a legitimate target of US law enforcement. The US Justice Department, the FBI and Mueller in particular are not 'angry', they are something far more seriously threatening than 'angry' to Assange's prospects of every enjoying a moment of liberty again. They are resolved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Basil B said: There is no police guard on the embassy other than protection that is given to any other embassy in the UK, the police watch for him slipping out the the back door has long been dropped, and yes it cost millions... As for the charges being dropped, they ran out due to "Statutes of Limitation" not because they found over evidence that discredited the charges. Just because the charges or more to the point the extradition request that lead to him being bailed has now been dropped does not negate the crime of skipping bail. I've no idea whether the 'statute of limitation' has run out according to Swedish law - but think it unlikely. Far more likely that they realise they not only don't have a case, but can't be bothered to pursue the matter any further on behalf of the US. My opinion of course. And let's not bother going into the Swedish laws used in this case, that aren't crimes in the uk..... And yet the uk still agreed to extradite him! Your last para. "Just because the charges or more to the point the extradition request that lead to him being bailed has now been dropped does not negate the crime of skipping bail." brings me back to an earlier post (heavy sigh)... 1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said: "Assange isn’t being pursued, everyone knows exactly where he’s hiding." Do you know of any other bail jumper that has had such a response from the Brit. police? Yes, they know where he's staying - and spent millions in tax payer money ensuring that he cannot leave! When did they last put this amount of money and effort into a bail jumper? Your third para. just makes clear the motivation behind all of this:- "He’ll be allowed to remain there until the FBI decide they’re ready to have a face to face chat with him"...... He's a whistle blower that dared to show the crimes committed by the US (amongst others). But nobody cared until he revealed the crimes committed by Western countries ????! Edit - But perhaps you think the evidence and videos were photo-chopped (or whatever) - and it was all lies? I'm at a loss as to why so many hate the truth being revealed about appalling events carried out by our govts. and military?? Edited October 20, 2018 by dick dasterdly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Where did this suggestion or otherwise of ''angry" come from? 'Anger' has no part to play in what is going to happen to Assange. Assange is a legitimate target of US law enforcement. The US Justice Department, the FBI and Mueller in particular are not 'angry', they are something far more seriously threatening than 'angry' to Assange's prospects of every enjoying a moment of liberty again. They are resolved. I for one, appreciate that a 'hate Farange' poster admits (in a round-about way) that the US is 'after' him..... Weirdly, Assange (and those of us able to think for ourselves) had worked this out a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: I for one, appreciate that a 'hate Farange' poster admits (in a round-about way) that the US is 'after' him..... Weirdly, Assange (and those of us able to think for ourselves) had worked this out a long time ago. Admitting in a 'round about way' lol. There's no 'round about way' in the clear statement that Assange is a legitimate target of US law enforcement and he will wind up spending the rest of his life in a US Federal Prison. I'm not a regular drinker but I'll certainly 'pop a cork' the day Assange is thrown in the slammer. "Farange" you say, perhaps you've engaged some of that 'self thinking' and concluded that Assange's criminality has ensnared others - welcome on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Admitting in a 'round about way' lol. There's no 'round about way' in the clear statement that Assange is a legitimate target of US law enforcement and he will wind up spending the rest of his life in a US Federal Prison. I'm not a regular drinker but I'll certainly 'pop a cork' the day Assange is thrown in the slammer. "Farange" you say, perhaps you've engaged some of that 'self thinking' and concluded that Assange's criminality has ensnared others - welcome on board. Why is he a "legitimate target"? Because he dared to reveal videos and documents revealing the truth???? Everyone to their own, but personally I'd prefer to know the truth - and blame my govt. etc., rather than the whistle blower. I've no idea why you hate him so much, and can only conclude that it is because he revealed things your govt. (and you...) would prefer were never revealed to the public. Edited October 20, 2018 by dick dasterdly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Incidentally, you've somehow managed to miss the point that it was the Swedish and Brit. govts. that were determined to extradite him to Sweden. More than a few of us knew that this was a ploy to then extradite him to the US - even though the US was keeping very quiet on the subject ????. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said: Why is he a "legitimate target"? Because he dared to reveal videos and documents revealing the truth???? Everyone to their own, but personally I'd prefer to know the truth - and blame my govt. etc., rather than the whistle blower. A number of crimes that include at least the following: Theft of state secretes (+ conspiracy to steel state secrets) Distribution of state secrets (+ conspiracy to distribute state secrets) Hacking government and private information systems (+ conspiracy to hack government and private information systems) Distribution of stolen private emails (+ conspiracy to distribute stolen private emails) Conspiracy to defraud the US electoral systems Aiding and abetting defrauding the US electoral systems. Aiding and abetting an enemy Commissioning crimes of theft, hacking and espionage etc etc You may of course believe that nations and individuals have no right to secrecy, indeed Assange may believe that to be the case. However US law does not agree with that point of view. Assange will end his days in a US Federal prison. The FBI are preparing to move against his chum Roger Stone, a man with a history of turning state witness to save his own skin. Assange should start looking for a foster home for his cat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Why is he a "legitimate target"? Because he dared to reveal videos and documents revealing the truth???? Everyone to their own, but personally I'd prefer to know the truth - and blame my govt. etc., rather than the whistle blower. I've no idea why you hate him so much, and can only conclude that it is because he revealed things your govt. (and you...) would prefer were never revealed to the public. Just now, Chomper Higgot said: A number of crimes that include at least the following: Theft of state secretes (+ conspiracy to steel state secrets) Distribution of state secrets (+ conspiracy to distribute state secrets) Hacking government and private information systems (+ conspiracy to hack government and private information systems) Distribution of stolen private emails (+ conspiracy to distribute stolen private emails) Conspiracy to defraud the US electoral systems Aiding and abetting defrauding the US electoral systems. Aiding and abetting an enemy Commissioning crimes of theft, hacking and espionage etc etc You may of course believe that nations and individuals have no right to secrecy, indeed Assange may believe that to be the case. However US law does not agree with that point of view. Assange will end his days in a US Federal prison. The FBI are preparing to move against his chum Roger Stone, a man with a history of turning state witness to save his own skin. Assange should start looking for a foster home for his cat. Thank you for proving my point. You believe that the public shouldn't know the truth about their govts...... Everyone to their own, as personally I'd rather know when they (and their military forces) have been behaving extremely badly. You for some 'patriotic' reason hate the person and organisation that revealed the truth - whereas I applaud them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Thank you for proving my point. You believe that the public shouldn't know the truth about their govts...... Everyone to their own, as personally I'd rather know when they (and their military forces) have been behaving extremely badly. You for some 'patriotic' reason hate the person and organisation that revealed the truth - whereas I applaud them. Applaud away. As I shall when he's thrown in the slammer. And we both know that is precisely what is going to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: Edit - Sadly, more than a few, genuinely believe that whistle blowers (but only those that reveal secrets they don't like....) - are traitors/should be imprisoned etc..... You mean the ones who would like to have a little chat with him about acting as a conduit for Russian interests? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: Applaud away. As I shall when he's thrown in the slammer. And we both know that is precisely what is going to happen. It would be nice if you would argue against the points I've raised - rather than this type of pointless statement.... The mods may have forgiven you for insinuating that I was a russian troll, but I certainly haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Incidentally, you've somehow managed to miss the point that it was the Swedish and Brit. govts. that were determined to extradite him to Sweden. More than a few of us knew that this was a ploy to then extradite him to the US - even though the US was keeping very quiet on the subject ????. Since it would be Swedish courts deciding on extradition, I disagree it was a ploy. Agreed it was seen as a ploy by some. Now it would be uk courts deciding on this, also here I think they operate independently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, SheungWan said: You mean the ones who would like to have a little chat with him about acting as a conduit for Russian interests? How on earth does someone revealing the truth translate to being a conduit for russian interests?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, stevenl said: Since it would be Swedish courts deciding on extradition, I disagree it was a ploy. Agreed it was seen as a ploy by some. Now it would be uk courts deciding on this, also here I think they operate independently. Actually it was (obviously) the Brit. courts that made the decision re. extradition - on charges that (mostly) wouldn't be acceptable in the UK. Go figure.... And yet, the Brit. authorities spent millions sterling to ensure that he couldn't leave the embassy! The first time this has happened, and we're repeating 'arguments' made previously. Edited October 20, 2018 by dick dasterdly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: It would be nice if you would argue against the points I've raised - rather than this type of pointless statement.... The mods may have forgiven you for insinuating that I was a russian troll, but I certainly haven't. I think I have given examples of laws Assange has (allegedly) broken, I've pointed out that the FBI seeking a chat with him and pointed out that what you believe or indeed what Assange believes should be allowed wrt to steeling and publishing state secrets is irrelevant, it is what the US law has to say on the matter. Wikileaks, Assange and his chum Roger Stone are all subject to a Grand Jury wrt to the part they played in Russia's interference in the 2016 US election. You may not agree steeling and publishing state secrets should be considered a crime, steeling and distributing private emails should be considered a crime or assisting a foreign power meddling in the electoral process should be a crime - the law says differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Actually it was (obviously) the Brit. courts that made the decision re. extradition - on charges that (mostly) wouldn't be acceptable in the UK. Go figure.... And yet, the Brit. authorities spent millions sterling to ensure that he couldn't leave the embassy! The first time this has happened, and we're repeating 'arguments' made previously. "And yet, the Brit. authorities spent millions sterling to ensure that he couldn't leave the embassy!" No, they spent millions ensuring that if he did leave the embassy he would be arrested. The only person ensuring that Assange doesn't leave the embassy is Assange. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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