HIV scare

[micmichd]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

It isn't a fatal disease, so hardly 'Russian roulette'

You're 100x more likely to die crossing the road.

Good argument. I can see the car or motorbike coming, but I can't see HI viruses coming.

[micmichd]

7 hours ago, elgenon said:

If you and she showered before and after and you are convinced this is what she always does, you are probably OK.

 

In general they have good habits.

Do you think good habits like washing your sperm away would scare HI viruses?

[atyclb]

1 hour ago, Benroon said:

Drama Queen !! The chances of catching HIV from straight vanilla sex is very very low.

 

 

 

if the ladyboy delivers the vanilla in your anal???

[JimmyTheMook]

4 hours ago, sanemax said:

Magic Johnsons isnt really a good example to mention , when stating that HIV is hard to contract , because he himself caught HIV from a Woman

 

Magic Johnson was said to be into blond surfer boys.

[Fairynuff]

10 hours ago, sanemax said:

That is being quite irresponsible and selfish, you could be infecting the girls or getting them pregnant and your only concern is yourself ejaculating without a condom .

   Extremely selfish and you can have no complaints if one of the girls gives you a STD

Why are you even bothering to respond to this kind of person? Better save your intelligent comments for someone who could understand and appreciate them

[Fairynuff]

8 hours ago, Caine said:

And pricks like you are the problem, 5 a year thats 1 every 10 weeks. Wow what a stud.

A stud who could easily have infected 50 girls with HIV or something else. A stud who sees himself as invincible 

[Fairynuff]

5 hours ago, Bundooman said:

So. By 'banging' 49 bargirls without a condom, and as you appear to believe, 'as far as you can tell', that you think you're not infected - how do you know that girl No.1 didn't infect you, and by your recklessness, may have infected 49 other girls?

 

How worthless, arrogant and inconsiderate can you be?

Very

[mvmvmv]

On 11/13/2018 at 6:37 PM, BritManToo said:

Not everyone is daft enough to imagine they caught HIV from a single encounter with a woman who probably wasn't infected.

 

 

Exactly ! if the risk was so high, knowing how stupid are men and women of this world, harf the world population would be infected.

 

It is very difficult to get HIV and you really need to try a lot, but of course it is not an information that should be widely spread...

 

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2018 by mvmvmv

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, mvmvmv said:

 

 

Exactly ! if the risk was so high, knowing how stupid are men and women of this world, harl the world population would be infected.

It is very difficult to get HIV and you really need to try a lot, but of course it is not an information that should be widely spread...

That isnt correct , you really don't need to "try alot" , you can catch it the first time , although the more often that you put yourself at risk, the higher probability of catching it 

[cyberfarang]

13 hours ago, elgenon said:

If you and she showered before and after and you are convinced this is what she always does, you are probably OK.

 

In general they have good habits.

Amazing, you have discovered a cure for the HIV virus, soap and water.

 

The world owes you a huge gratitude.

[Stargeezr]

Well, now scaredy cat guys, just imagine if you were a girl and your mom said.

Be careful as one prick can make you pregnant... That is scary as well.  Good luck married

guy, and be happy you are still healthy.

Geezer

[Wake Up]

22 hours ago, sanemax said:

That is being quite irresponsible and selfish, you could be infecting the girls or getting them pregnant and your only concern is yourself ejaculating without a condom .

   Extremely selfish and you can have no complaints if one of the girls gives you a STD

These are professional girls that screw for a living and everything is negotiable. But you seem to know it all and use name calling to feel good about yourself.  Maybe you should let one of these pros enlightened you as you might learn something about life but you would have to venture out of that moral box you live in. Thank you for reminding how thankful I am to not live in that judgment moral superior world you are stuck in at the moment. Take care of yourself brother and I will do the same. 

[sanemax]

8 minutes ago, Wake Up said:

These are professional girls that screw for a living and everything is negotiable. But you seem to know it all and use name calling to feel good about yourself.  Maybe you should let one of these pros enlightened you as you might learn something about life but you would have to venture out of that moral box you live in. Thank you for reminding how thankful I am to not live in that judgment moral superior world you are stuck in at the moment. Take care of yourself brother and I will do the same. 

I do know what there job is , no need to tel me .

I wasnt calling you names , just giving my opinion about your behavior .   

Its  quite common for people who boast about their sex lives to think that other people who do not boast about their sex lives must be celibate virgins  , you dont have to be concerned about myself in that department , I just dont feel that need to tell everyone about it .

   I dont see sex as a competition, see who can get the most , its not as if we are still all 19 years old , all going on a night out and see who can pull a bird .

[ph0enixrising]

Lots of misinformation here about HIV detection, etc.  As someone who was an HIV educator back home, here are a few facts:

 

1) If you have a "scare", ie. there was a possible exposure for whatever reason, you should immediately go to a clinic (Pulse, Red Cross, etc.-- your regular doctor may have it as well, depending on the clinic) to get PeP (post-exposure prophylaxis).  This is a pill that contains the same 3 meds in the most common HIV anti-viral medication for those who are HIV+ and should be taken for 28 days.  For this to be effective, you should start within 72 hours of exposure, but sooner is better. Be aware, however, that PeP is not 100% effective.

2) As for when HIV testing can detect the virus, it depends on the type of test:  

 

Anti-body tests (the most common type) do not actually check for the virus itself but for whether or not your body has created antibodies to fight the virus.  Since it can take up to 3 months for there to be enough antibodies in your bloodstream to be detected, these tests may give false negatives if taken early one (older anti-body tests were not as sensitive, so in the past it could take up to 6 months).  

 

The two most commonly used tests that detect HIV directly are the p24 antigen test and the HIV nucleic acid amplification test (NAAT). The p24 tests for certain proteins and can give accurate results around 3-4 weeks post exposure.  The NAAT tests for actual dna of the HIV virus and can give accurate results in 7-14 days post exposure.  These tests are more expensive however, so they are not as commonly used.

3) As to getting HIV from a single time with a bar girl (or with anyone for that matter):
On the one hand, it is more difficult that many people think to contract HIV.  The virus is actually very weak outside the body and can be killed with just soap and water.  For someone to become infected, there must be exposure to infected bodily fluids via an "entrance way" into the body/blood stream. 

 

On the other hand, any small scratch/nick on the skin can be that entrance way. This means that, you probably won't get HIV from a 1 time dalliance... but, it IS possible.  The insertive partner in any sexual encounter is less likely to become infected than the receptive partner... since the normal friction that occurs during intercourse can cause micro-abrasions inside the vagina/anus thus providing "entrance ways" for the virus.  However, any scratch, nick, or cut (even those that are too small to notice) that may be on the penis (or any other body part) can also be an entrance way.

 

4) With HIV, undetectable=untransmittable.  In other words, even if a person is HIV+, if they are taking their anti-viral meds so that the virus is suppressed and no longer detectable in the bloodstream (anti-bodies will still be detectable however), then that person cannot transmit HIV to another person. 

 

5) For those who are HIV+, due to the advancements in treatment, as long as one takes their meds, then it's really no different than any other chronic condition (such as diabetes).  With a few minor changes in lifestyle (not drinking too much, getting exercise, etc) the person live a long, healthy life and is far more likely to die of something like heart disease than anything HIV related.

Sorry for the long post... used to be a volunteer counselor/educator for a clinic, so this is kind of the automated answer I used to have to explain to people all the time.

Edited November 15, 2018 by ph0enixrising

[metisdead]

Not sure why this was felt to be posted in the Pub, maybe would have been better to post in the Health forum for accurate information.  

 

Moving to the Health forum. 

[Sheryl]

On 11/13/2018 at 6:37 PM, BritManToo said:

Not everyone is daft enough to imagine they caught HIV from a single encounter with a woman who probably wasn't infected.

It is not in the least daft to be concerned.

 

About 20% of sex workers in Thailand are HIV+. Of course, many of those are on medication and have suppressed viral loads rendering them virtually non-infectious, but certainly not all of them.

 

Whenever HIV is caught, it is from a single encounter.

 

The OP may have not clearly understood the odds of infection in numeric terms (and yes, they were low) but the risk was not zero and he did have reason to be concerned and get tested.

 

He does not indicate  the type of test done, and this is quite important. Antibody tests take time to turn positive; if it was an antibody only test he should efinitley be retested at the 6 month mark.

 

OP - you also need to be tested for Hepatitis B antigen, especially  if you have not been vaccinated for Hep B. This is also spread by unprotected sex and actually easier to transmit than HIV.

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

About 20% of sex workers in Thailand are HIV+

I've only tested 3 very popular girls (3x-5x customers a day). And they were all negative, which surprised me.

How many have you taken for testing?

 

But my pal caught HIV from a girl in Chiang Mai (he was doing 5 girls a week for 3 years). It's very hard to calculate the risk as everyone is lying about everything to do with HIV.

Edited November 15, 2018 by BritManToo

[Sheryl]

On 11/14/2018 at 7:35 AM, cms22 said:

I waited more than six weeks. Tests are accurate after three weeks (according to HIV specialist I talked to). 

Depends on the type of test done -- antigen only or combined antigen/antibody, and finger prick vs sample from a vein taken with a needle.

 

"An antigen/antibody test performed by a laboratory on blood from a vein can usually detect HIV infection 18 to 45 days after an exposure. Antigen/ antibody tests done with blood from a finger prick can take longer to detect HIV (18 to 90 days after an exposure). When the goal is to tell for sure that a person does not have HIV, an antigen/antibody test performed by a laboratory on blood from a vein is preferred.

 

Antibody tests can usually take 23 to 90 days to reliably detect HIV infection. Most rapid tests and home tests are antibody tests. In general, antibody tests that use blood from a vein can detect HIV sooner after infection than tests done with blood from a finger prick or with oral fluid......

 

if your health care provider uses an antigen/antibody test performed by a laboratory with blood from a vein you should get tested again 45 days after your most recent exposure. For other tests, you should test again at least 90 days after your most recent exposure to tell for sure if you have HIV." 

                  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/testing.html

 

 

 

 

[Sheryl]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've only tested 3 very popular girls (3x-5x customers a day). And they were all negative, which surprised me.

How many have you taken for testing?

 

But my pal caught HIV from a girl in Chiang Mai (he was doing 5 girls a week for 3 years). It's very hard to calculate the risk as everyone is lying about everything to do with HIV.

I do not do the testing. The Ministry of Public health, using internationally  recognized sampling methodology designed to yield nationally representative information, does.  This involves multi staged random selection of sites and then of individuals.

 

Your "testing" of 3 sex workers does not provide any information about the prevalence of HIV in the population.  Depending on the type of test done, it might not even tell their status accurately.

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Depending on the type of test done

Blood from a vein results in 2 hours, CM RAM hospital for the first 2.

For the pregnancy, blood from a vein, results next day, NakornPing government hospital.

(3 girls tested + me tested 3x)

Edited November 15, 2018 by BritManToo

[Sheryl]

14 hours ago, mvmvmv said:

 

 

Exactly ! if the risk was so high, knowing how stupid are men and women of this world, harf the world population would be infected.

 

It is very difficult to get HIV and you really need to try a lot, but of course it is not an information that should be widely spread...

 

 

 

 

 

You do not need to "try a lot".

 

You just need to be unlucky.

[Sheryl]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Blood from a vein results in 2 hours, CM RAM hospital for the first 2.

For the pregnancy, blood from a vein, results next day, NakornPing government hospital.

(3 girls tested + me tested 3x)

But what type of test?

 

My guess is antigen only as that is what hospitals here usually do for simple screening. Which means the results only establish that they did not have antibodies to HIV. They could still have had a new HIV infection, takes 3 (and in some people, 6) months to develop antibodies.  And, perhaps most important, people are highly infectious in the early stages of a new HIV infection, precisely when most tests will still be negative. Which is why testing partners to assess your own risk is of limited value.

 

There is a TV member  -- heterosexual - who got HIV here by using exactly that strategy, relying in testing of the woman.

 

For yourself, an antibody test needs to be done 6 months after the last exposure (unprotected sex) to really give the all clear - or a dual antigen/antibody test at least 3 weeks after last exposure.

 

And, of course -- stop having unprotected sex.

[RotBenz8888]

On 11/14/2018 at 11:26 AM, Cereal said:

According to the CDC the chances of catching HIV by having unprotected sex 1 time with an infected person (male screwing female who is positive) is 0.04%.

 

 

..while Hepatitis B is 100 times easier to transmit. Got vaccinated? Ok, just remember that 10% are non-responders to the vaccin.  To be sure, check your immunity.

[Sheryl]

A number of off-topic and/or frivalous posts have been removed.

 

We are in the Health Forum now (where this thread belongs). Different level of moderation applies.

[Sheryl]

On 11/14/2018 at 9:53 AM, elgenon said:

If you and she showered before and after and you are convinced this is what she always does, you are probably OK.

 

In general they have good habits.

Showering/bathing before and after has absolutely no effect on sexual transmission of HIV, Hep B etc.

 

Won't prevent pregnancy, either.

[Norrad]

I've had a few scares, mostly condoms breaking. The Thai Red cross makes you sh*t bricks when you do the test there. The doctors always look so down and worried when they give you the results.

[elgenon]

On 11/14/2018 at 2:43 AM, micmichd said:

Do you think good habits like washing your sperm away would scare HI viruses?

Sorry, I meant that only as an indication of how careful they are at taking care of themselves and you. It was meant as only an indication. Yes, there has to be more. Sorry, sometimes I write in short hand thinking others will understand my intent.

[elgenon]

On 11/14/2018 at 8:46 AM, cyberfarang said:

Amazing, you have discovered a cure for the HIV virus, soap and water.

 

The world owes you a huge gratitude.

Please see my reply to micmichd.

[elgenon]

20 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Showering/bathing before and after has absolutely no effect on sexual transmission of HIV, Hep B etc.

 

Won't prevent pregnancy, either.

Please see response to micmichd.

[Rimmer]

A not funny troll post has been removed, we have a joke forum for all that stuff you know.