Many Thais believe drug abuse and alcohol consumption are the most common causes of violence - survey

[todlad]

45 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Apart from this anecdotal survey there is the 2007 WHO/WKC Thailand National Report on Violence and Health

http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/national_activities/report_violence_and_health_in_thailand.pdf

It focuses on Self-Inflicted Violence vs Interpersonal Violence. It identified Weaknesses/problems/obstacles/development needs for each.

Without going into details, my summation is that the issue of violence in Thailand is a broad societal problem that filtrates down through cultural and traditional flaws in religion, governance and human rights. As such there can be no "one-size fits all" solution nor incremental reforms.

 

Thanks for that and all of the TV bullshit warriors should read that report. Yes, the report is 11 years old now but societies do not change so massively as to invalidate the findings of it.

 

The influence if alcohol in many aspects of violence really is highly significant.

 

I do not dismiss the perception of loss of face, by the way, as they do seem to cover that in this report but it is nowhere near as significant as our warriors believe.

[kannot]

1 hour ago, The Deerhunter said:

with delusions of grandeur about their place in life and what the rest of society owes them in particular

Gawd that's so right, Ive met some of these prima donnas and slapped them right  down, last one didn't pay her rent, told her she'd got a few  minutes to get her stuff out or it was going over the balcony..............hilarious at the time,  followed with pitiful "it's not fair" crap from her, doesnt wash with me but Thais  will listen to this pitiful nonsense.

Never their fault you see, couldnt pay the rent but never their fault.

An even funnier one was the guy who was about 2  weeks  late with rent , told him to bugger  off and he said " do you know what car I drive", like I could give a flying shit, unfortunately they dont know that with "us" it means nothing.....except maybe them borrowing more than they can afford.

Anyway the BMW was about 15 years old, I advised him to sell it to pay the rent...........on his next condo rental agreement but you aint staying here no more.

 

The Wife loves to drag me along to this kind of crap, I find it entertaining, the main reason is back up for her in case of any problems. Only happened  twice in 12 years mind.

[GalaxyMan]

1 hour ago, todlad said:

The spelling and grammar of these experts is astounding. Makes me laugh too: after all of your superior education and insights.

Speaking of which, you need a comma after laugh and before too; laugh, too. Too is always preceded by a comma unless it is being used as an adjective. The colon after too is totally inappropriate, should be a comma. The colon joins two independent clauses (compound sentence), introduces lists, and sets up quotations.

 

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. ????

[Camilo Diaz]

" As for what they would do to end violence in society, 26.27 per cent said they will suppress violence within themselves, while 25.29 per cent said they will not react when angry.  "

 

This is actually very good, I wish it was 100%.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Camilo Diaz

[kannot]

1 minute ago, Camilo Diaz said:

" As for what they would do to end violence in society, 26.27 per cent said they will suppress violence within themselves, while 25.29 per cent said they will not react when angry.  "

 

This is actually very good, I wish ti was 100%.

leaving the other 2% ( TAT figures and calculations) to be violent..........problem solved. Almost no violence in Thailand.

[todlad]

14 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said:

Speaking of which, you need a comma after laugh and before too; laugh, too. Too is always preceded by a comma unless it is being used as an adjective. The colon after too is totally inappropriate, should be a comma. The colon joins two independent clauses (compound sentence), introduces lists, and sets up quotations.

 

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. ????

Accept the comma correction but your colon rule is incomplete and there is nothing wrong with how I used it.

 

If you want to tell me I need a comma before and, forget it as I never use the Oxford comma.

[The Deerhunter]

2 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

If you live here you will have seen the Asian epidemic of insanely spoiled sons (and now with available contraception, often daughters) with delusions of grandeur about their place in life and what the rest of society owes them in particular.  In my (adopted family) it has ruined 

Sorry.  Continuation from post #18:   ..... ably abetted by Ya Ba, and Lau Khau, it has already ruined two sub groups in the family and is in the process of ruining another one.  The behaviour of some folk there is beyond belief and the grandson (son of one of the sons) in the family is at 2 years old, demanding what he wants with tantrums because he already thinks he is something special; an erroneous idea that the grandparents reinforce daily.   We daily observe a dear wee man being wantonly turned into a monster.  My wife tries to lecture them on the dangers of this "little emperor" culture; trying to explain the difference between responsible parental love and "killing with kindness."  And the word killing, in my family is not to be used too metaphorically. Enough said on that!

 

FACE, EGO and DELUSIONS of grandeur are culturally reinforced into an overwhelming percentage of the population.   As the lead article says, Alcohol & Drugs are only a stimulant; in my view a stimulant acting as a catalyst;  "a substance that increases the rate of a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any permanent chemical change."   "A person or thing that precipitates an event."

 

Here's the big question.  How do you get a good role model for kids to aspire to when the mould was broken generations ago and every TV program serves to extol dysfunctionality as normality?   It will take generations to change and will need a strong government input from a credible, respected government.  Thailand desperately needs its Lee Kuan Yew. NOW!!!

Edited November 20, 2018 by The Deerhunter
clarification & correction

[The Deerhunter]

18 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said:

Speaking of which, you need a comma after laugh and before too; laugh, too. Too is always preceded by a comma unless it is being used as an adjective. The colon after too is totally inappropriate, should be a comma. The colon joins two independent clauses (compound sentence), introduces lists, and sets up quotations.

 

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. ????

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't...................

[hotchilli]

Yes alcohol, drugs or medication are a stimulant for violence either in a domestic setting, road rage or in a bar etc... as we all see reported daily.

Substance abuse is just the trigger to let out emotions usually held back, however the actual violent tendency comes from within, built up through personal or social circumstances...

Here in Thailand where they like to perceive or promote it to be the land of smiles is far from the truth..

it's a very socially divided nation with many factors... education, wealth, corruption all playing a part

with little or no health care available for those under stress from work or home issues..

thus after a few beers or stimulants of some kind many are a time bomb waiting to go off !

What should be a minor reaction to something becomes the preverbial "straw that broke the camels back" and out it all comes in a rage !!

[The Deerhunter]

2 hours ago, todlad said:

I didn't read the article but came straight to the comments. What a hoot. Why did they bother with a survey and why do they bother with looking at violence in other parts of the world? The experts are here on Thai Visa dot com.

 

Loss of face. That's the one. Alcohol and drugs are down at 20 and 21. Someone's lived here for 20 years and points us to a video as proof of his profound knowledge and cultural understanding.

 

The spelling and grammar of these experts is astounding. Makes me laugh too: after all of your superior education and insights.

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Edited November 20, 2018 by The Deerhunter

[Khun Paul]

Sadly it is Thai Culture that is to blame for most of the Violence, loss of face, sloping shoulders, never accepting responsibility for their own actions, just look at the number of people running away from incidents notably traffic accidents and the way everyone joins in in a fight never a one on one, someone always has a weapon .

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Boys molly-coddled from the cot, they can do what they want, girls however are treated as possessions.  Thai mlaes one of most insecure people I know ( mentally ) 

[sweatalot]

6 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

Loss of face and rejection must be high up there too ?

Loss of face and rejection comes after immature character which is the real cause.

Question might be: where does the immature character come from?

 

Why is it so epidemic in LOS - which could be a so much more better place whitout this impairment

[Kittycat66]

I think thais need to accept anger is a part on how to deal with life but there is a way to get angry in a constructive way. You can get angry and still be a good person. When i get angry i Express by say how i feel and then i feel better.

[Cereal]

Absentee parenting, never being taught from a very young age how to properly socialize and deal with feelings and emotions on an intellectual scale, seeing violence on tv as a norm, seeing people commit violence and get away with an absurdly small penalty and loss of face all play a part. 

 

As mentioned, losing the concept of face in its entirety would help more than any other thing.

[Eric Loh]

45 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

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You making him lose face. 

[Tongjaw]

2 hours ago, DM07 said:

The cause?

No way!

A catalyst?

Sure!

The main causes are education, traditions, religion and "Thainess"- although no one would ever admit to that!

So pretty well similar to western cultures with Thainess changed to Westerness. 

[Eric Loh]

Easy excess to weapons should be in the top 5 in Thailand. 

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Easy Come Easy Go said:

Yep it's a factor at best. Alcohol and drugs are a tool, the user defines how the end results pans out, not the tool itself. If you're an angry, violent person by nature, alcohol is surely going to exaggerate that 

Alcohol and drugs, alcohol is a drug actually, affect people differently. They can also affect the same person differently depending on that person's tolerance, reactions, and personality swings. Not all people can predict or control the effects each time the indulge.

 

Alcohol in particular because of its easy legal availability and the way it acts on people is a common cause of violence in men and women. Just ask anyone who has worked in pubs or nightclubs or served in law enforcement. It's quite scary to observe the physical and mental changes in people and their behavior as they drink large quantities of alcohol over several hours.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, todlad said:

Thanks for that and all of the TV bullshit warriors should read that report. Yes, the report is 11 years old now but societies do not change so massively as to invalidate the findings of it.

 

The influence if alcohol in many aspects of violence really is highly significant.

 

I do not dismiss the perception of loss of face, by the way, as they do seem to cover that in this report but it is nowhere near as significant as our warriors believe.

 

Loss of face and the often violent reaction to that will be exaggerated by alcohol consumption. So alcohol is a moderating factor to the reactions of loss of face.

 

Alcohol impairs judgement and will make people more prone to knee jerk excessive reactions. 

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Loss of face and the often violent reaction to that will be exaggerated by alcohol consumption. So alcohol is a moderating factor to the reactions of loss of face.

 

Alcohol impairs judgement and will make people more prone to knee jerk excessive reactions. 

Loss of face highly exacerbated by ethnicity especially Asians and Thais in particular. 

[natway09]

Here we go again.. Incidently this is not only a Thai problem but is worldwide.

If they are serious about alcohol there are two things that come to mind.

Ban that bloody Lao Khao & only sell hard liquor at licensed premises. Stop 7/11 from

selling spirits. Enforce the law (already in place) & prohibit all drinking in public places, ie

only allow in licensed venues.

An education programme for males to somehow show  more respect for the fairer sex

would help as well

[stanleycoin]

1 minute ago, natway09 said:

 

Ban that bloody Lao Khao & only sell hard liquor at licensed premises. Stop 7/11 from

selling spirits. Enforce the law (already in place) & prohibit all drinking in public places, ie

only allow in licensed venues.

You should go to Jail for 30 days for suggesting that. 

[todlad]

25 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Loss of face and the often violent reaction to that will be exaggerated by alcohol consumption. So alcohol is a moderating factor to the reactions of loss of face.

 

Alcohol impairs judgement and will make people more prone to knee jerk excessive reactions. 

Everyone seems desperate to put loss of face as the number one reason. My UK newspaper has a couple of stories this morning that scream Thainess, according to many here; but no Thai people involved, only Brits.

 

Whether it is the factor, a contributory factory or a catalyst, alcohol features in two thirds of violent attacks in Thailand: both attacker and victim, almost in equal measure.

 

What might be classed as loss of face, uncontrolled rage, accounts for around 10% of cases.

 

Whether we like it or not, alcohol is a massive influence here.

 

If anyone is desperate to promote loss of face to number one spot, carry out your own survey and prove it. Repeating it like a parrot is not proof.

[amse]

Alcohol is a drug.????

[DM07]

1 hour ago, Tongjaw said:

So pretty well similar to western cultures with Thainess changed to Westerness. 

Couldn't help yourself, could you?!

Or did I miss the part of the Op, that read "...many Thais and people around the world..."?

Edited November 20, 2018 by DM07

[stanleycoin]

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1 hour ago, Tongjaw said:

So pretty well similar to western cultures with Thainess changed to Westerness. 

 

19 minutes ago, DM07 said:

Couldn't help yourself, could you?!

Or did I miss the part of the Op, that read "...many Thais and people around the world..."?

 

Some posters just can't help making reference's to other countries thinking 

it's a good yard stick for Thailand. ( school boy error )

Some don't realize the yard stick is bent in Thailand, as it's common place here to blame.

something other,  than the real cause, The alcohol did it, The Drugs did it, The Gun did it, The  big boy did it and run away, and so on, got to laugh.

Some poster, even reads the Sun news paper !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh dear oh dear 

Maybe they are still in the uk, in there mind and never have any real dealings with the locals.

 

But if you wait around,  someone will deal the Ace card,

the go home post !!!!!!!!!!! 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2018 by stanleycoin

[Tongjaw]

1 hour ago, DM07 said:

Couldn't help yourself, could you?!

Or did I miss the part of the Op, that read "...many Thais and people around the world..."?

Correct I could help myself and I have no idea what you mean “ did I miss the part of the OP that read “...many Thais and people around the world...?

[DM07]

32 minutes ago, Tongjaw said:

Correct I could help myself and I have no idea what you mean “ did I miss the part of the OP that read “...many Thais and people around the world...?

Okay...let me spell it out for you: 

the title reads "many thais believe drug abuse and alcohol consumption are the most common causes of violence"...
get it?

This is about THAIS and THAILAND!

Also: this is THAI Visa- so we are discussing issues in and with THAILAND!

What happens in the rest of world or in the west is of no interest to this subject!

 

And it is an often used deflection of apologists of Thailand, everything Thai and their "Thai'er than Thai"- attitude!

 

The subject is THAILAND - nothing else!

Edited November 20, 2018 by DM07

[Tongjaw]

8 minutes ago, DM07 said:

Okay...let me spell it out for you: 

the title reads "many thais believe drug abuse and alcohol consumption are the most common causes of violence"...
get it?

This is about THAIS and THAILAND!

Also: this is THAI Visa- so we are discussing issues in and with THAILAND!

What happens in the rest of world or in the west is of no interest to this subject!

 

And it is an often used deflection of apologists of Thailand, everything Thai and their "Thai'er than Thai"- attitude!

 

The subject is THAILAND - nothing else!

Yes the post is about violence in Thailand. So let me spell out my comment to you. My comments was in no way being opologetic to violent Thais and I take offence at that.  It was stating that religion, drugs and alcohol are also are causes of violence around the world, Thailand included.  So let’s get it straight,  I am not a Thai apologist but then again I am not a Thai basher unless it warrents it unlike some people who thrive on it. 

[DM07]

31 minutes ago, Tongjaw said:

Yes the post is about violence in Thailand. So let me spell out my comment to you. My comments was in no way being opologetic to violent Thais and I take offence at that.  It was stating that religion, drugs and alcohol are also are causes of violence around the world, Thailand included.  So let’s get it straight,  I am not a Thai apologist but then again I am not a Thai basher unless it warrents it unlike some people who thrive on it. 

So THIS "So pretty well similar to western cultures with Thainess changed to Westerness." sentence (because THAT was all you wrote)  was about all of the above!?

Yeah...right!