Ukraine's Poroshenko - Putin wants my whole country

 

FILE PHOTO - Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko addresses servicemen as he visits the 169th training centre "Desna" of the Ukrainian Army ground forces in Chernihiv Region, Ukraine November 28, 2018. Mykola Lazarenko/Ukrainian Presidential Press Service/Handout via REUTERS

 

BERLIN (Reuters) - Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko accused Russia's Vladimir Putin of seeking to annex his entire country and called in interviews with German media for Chancellor Angela Merkel to come to Kiev's aid in the crisis.

 

Russia seized three Ukrainian navy ships and their crews on Sunday near the Crimean peninsula, which Moscow annexed in 2014, over what it said was their illegal entry into Russian waters - a charge Ukraine strongly refutes.

 

In interviews with Germany's Bild newspaper and the Funke newspaper group on Thursday, Poroshenko rejected Russia's charge that the vessels' entry into the Azov Sea - a body of water shared by Ukraine and Russia on which the Ukrainian ports of Mariupol and Berdyansk sit - was a provocation.

 

"Don't believe Putin's lies," he told Bild, Germany's biggest-selling paper, comparing Russia's protestations of innocence in the affair to Moscow's 2014 denial that it had soldiers in Crimea even as they moved to annex it.

 

"Putin wants the old Russian empire back," he said. "Crimea, Donbass, the whole country. As Russian Tsar, as he sees himself, his empire can't function without Ukraine. He sees us as his colony."

 

The seizure of the navy vessels drove tensions to their highest since 2015, when Moscow-backed rebels rose against the Kiev government in the eastern Donbass region, sparking a war that has killed tens of thousands.

 

Poroshenko called on Germany, the largest and wealthiest buyer of Moscow's gas exports, to halt the building of an undersea gas pipeline that would allow Russia to supply Germany directly, cutting out Ukraine.

 

"We need a strong, resolute and clear reaction to Russia's aggressive behaviour," he told Funke. "That also means stopping the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project."

 

Germany regards the pipeline, which is being built by Russian state-owned energy company Gazprom, as a private investment. But Merkel recently acknowledged its "political dimensions" and said Ukraine must continue to be a conduit for Russian gas sold to western Europe.

 

German officials said on Wednesday that their position on the pipeline remained unchanged and that talk of tighter sanctions against Moscow, demanded by the United States and many European politicians, was "premature".

 

Poroshenko also called for the stationing of NATO vessels in the Sea of Azov.

 

(Reporting by Thomas Escritt; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-11-29

I agree that putin wants to annex Ukraine that’s a rough spot to be in and putin knows the time is right because of the power vacuum in the USA and Donald’s attacks on NATO 

1 minute ago, Tug said:

I agree that putin wants to annex Ukraine that’s a rough spot to be in and putin knows the time is right because of the power vacuum in the USA and Donald’s attacks on NATO 

First post and Trump gets a mention !!!!!!!!

Well,it wouldn't be the first time the Germans have visited the Ukraine.

How many times were the Russians massing on Ukraine's border according to Porky, a porky who tells pork pies.

 

Just a ploy agreed with the US to avoid an election.

 

The Russian divers are still looking for the device thrown overboard before they were....watch the sparks fly when they find it.

Of course…Putin is as innocent as the day is long!! He doesn’t have an aggressive bone in his body!!

Of course…Poroshenko is as innocent as the day is long!!

He doesn’t have an aggressive bone in his body!!

The reason Donald comes up is putin feels empowered by Donald’s stabbing NATO in the guts and his putin boot licking it’s plane as day Donald is in Putin’s pocket

Luckily once we are out of the EU we might be able to avoid this war in Europe until it reaches Dover.  Maybe that won’t be such a test of patience, the way we and our allies are squabbling at Putin’s behest

Poroshenko is wasting his time with Merkel, May & the French Dandy,  these bleeding hearts don't have the strength or fortitude to stand up to Putin. Everything can be fixed by remaining calm & more sanctions  ha ha ha when will they learn the only thing a bully understands is a hard punch in the face!

16 hours ago, sanemax said:

First post and Trump gets a mention !!!!!!!!

The meltdown never ends.

23 hours ago, Tug said:

I agree that putin wants to annex Ukraine that’s a rough spot to be in and putin knows the time is right because of the power vacuum in the USA and Donald’s attacks on NATO 

Never a chance missed to throw President Trump's name into the issue...however imagined. Pathetic and revealing.

11 hours ago, Tug said:

The reason Donald comes up is putin feels empowered by Donald’s stabbing NATO in the guts and his putin boot licking it’s plane as day Donald is in Putin’s pocket

The lack of punctuation and sentence structure overshadows the content.

Who started this mess, anyway? The Russians are no angels but the whole idea of taking Ukraine out of Russia's sphere of influence was misconceived to start with. As for Nato ships in the Sea of Azov - what could go wrong?

The meltdown never ends.

The denial never ends.

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21 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

How many times were the Russians massing on Ukraine's border according to Porky, a porky who tells pork pies.

 

Just a ploy agreed with the US to avoid an election.

 

The Russian divers are still looking for the device thrown overboard before they were....watch the sparks fly when they find it.

 

Sure, Putin and the Russians are totally innocent, have no massed army on Ukraine's borders; were withing their lawful rights to annex The Crimea; don't provide military aide to the Ukrainian insurgents, weapons and manpower; had nothing to do with the shooting down of a civil airliner and are very good chaps and lasses.

 

All a nasty rumor by those CIA types. 

Putin wants Ukrain and the Baltic States back for starters.

 

He's taking full advantage of the disarray between Trump and NATO, Brexit and the EU. 

 

Smart cookie.

 

Only he wants to watch his back - Xi is much much smarter.

Poroshenko is not smart enough to outplay Putin and clearly main backers like US decided to stay out of it.

 

Ukrainian ships did violate Russian waters, did refuse to stop and were carrying spies, SBU

 

The very same SBU who promised to sabotage the bridge and create chaos in Crimea.

 

Poroshenko was hoping for US and NATO to back him, but neither did, so he is continuing with the nonsense.

 

Fact is , in 2014 Poroshenko was screaming the very same thing and claiming Russian troops were in Uraine, yet no martial law was declared then, and now all over sudden Russians are invading.

 

The sooner West drops support for this clown the better.

28 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Putin wants Ukrain and the Baltic States back for starters.

 

He's taking full advantage of the disarray between Trump and NATO, Brexit and the EU. 

 

Smart cookie.

 

Only he wants to watch his back - Xi is much much smarter.

No he does not want neither Ukraine or Baltic states. A myth created by both to suck money out of EU.

 

all 4 living off aid and military suppprt of NATO, ie no need to pay for its own army. Very convinient and cheap position to take 

 

If Putin wanted Ukraine for example he would have never allowed US to intervene and stage a coup. 

No he does not want neither Ukraine or Baltic states. A myth created by both to suck money out of EU.
 
all 4 living off aid and military suppprt of NATO, ie no need to pay for its own army. Very convinient and cheap position to take 
 
If Putin wanted Ukraine for example he would have never allowed US to intervene and stage a coup. 

At the very least he wants to totally control Ukraine. Of course to Putin fans that's a good thing.

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

At the very least he wants to totally control Ukraine. Of course to Putin fans that's a good thing.

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Ohhh the Putin basher. Please provide evidence and support what Putin has done to gain control over Ukraine ?

 

No links to imaginary actions but in your own words , what has he done or what he has said or shown which indicates he wants control over Ukraine 

Ohhh the Putin basher. Please provide evidence and support what Putin has done to gain control over Ukraine ?
 
No links to imaginary actions but in your own words , what has he done or what he has said or shown which indicates he wants control over Ukraine 

Fake uniforms. Taking over Crimea. War in eastern Ukraine.

Lately they've dropped the fake uniforms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/10/577104670/simmering-conflict-in-eastern-ukraine-remains-at-an-impasse


BTW what is your allegiance?
You come off as a propagandist.

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4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Fake uniforms. Taking over Crimea. War in eastern Ukraine.

Lately they've dropped the fake uniforms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/10/577104670/simmering-conflict-in-eastern-ukraine-remains-at-an-impasse


BTW what is your allegiance?
You come off as a propagandist.

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Again and you already know this, Crimea was only part of Ukraine briefly, was always part of Russia,

 

East Ukraine is Russians living there, not Putin annexing or wanting to annex.

 

Lets try again

Again and you already know this, Crimea was only part of Ukraine briefly, was always part of Russia,
 
East Ukraine is Russians living there, not Putin annexing or wanting to annex.
 
Lets try again

How many people do you think you are suckering with that hogwash?

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

How many people do you think you are suckering with that hogwash?

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so does that mean you can not come up with anymore fiction stories to back up your Putin bashing?

this funny nation of banderites is only good at killing

defenseless people women and children with axes..

to fight the russians, they do not have a bit of balls

 

they do not deserve their own state

 

ps.I'm not a Russian

so does that mean you can not come up with anymore fiction stories to back up your Putin bashing?

That means I get your game and noticed you refused to state your affiliation.

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this funny nation of banderites is only good at killing
defenseless people women and children with axes..
to fight the russians, they do not have a bit of balls
 
they do not deserve their own state
 
ps.I'm not a Russian

May as well be.

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That means I get your game and noticed you refused to state your affiliation.

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Stop deflecting and either have a debate with facts or do not post rubbish at all, just because you have your personal beef based on something entirely irrelevant to the matter

Ukraine was sovereign Ukraine territory. Fact.
It was stolen by Russia.
Fact.
The election there was illegal and a sham.
For it to be legal all of Ukraine would have needed to consent.
Fact.
Yes there is a separatist movement in Eastern Ukraine strongly supported by Russia.
If they fully succeed whether they become a separate country or merge with Russia is not a big difference.
You can shill for Russia all you want but that doesn't mean you're going to fool many people that aren't already Putin partisans.
I accept that you refuse to reveal your affiliation. People are free to make assumptions.

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