Euthanasia

[StreetCowboy]

At the risk of being a bit Cliff Richards, should we be putting down those who are a bit past their sell-by date?

 

Some amongst us, whenever they see a "started-before..." seem all too ready to plug in the electric chair, regardless of the life that may be left after a good jolt to Frankenstein's Monster

 

Should we be putting old ones to sleep, even if they seem slightly sparky, just because they are old?

 

SC

[Carib]

Lead the way...

[from the home of CC]

and made into protein biscuits as in 'soylent green'...

[StreetCowboy]

If I was navigating the river Styx, I'd be tempted to give my elders some respect, even to the extent of erring on the side of diffidence.  Sometimes, recently revived zombies can bring a certain spark to things, despite their aged and putrescent appearance

[ukrules]

I'm not joking when I say you're in the right country for a bit of euthanasia.

 

I know someone who was asked in a hospital by a Doctor if they should give the mother 'the injection' to help her on her way.

 

They didn't take up this offer but it was on the table...

Edited December 16, 2018 by ukrules

[StreetCowboy]

9 minutes ago, ukrules said:

I'm not joking when I say you're in the right country for a bit of euthanasia.

 

I know someone who was asked in a hospital by a Doctor if they should give the mother 'the injection' to help her on her way.

 

They didn't take up this offer but it was on the table...

How is she now?

[JimmyJ]

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

I'm not joking when I say you're in the right country for a bit of euthanasia.

 

I know someone who was asked in a hospital by a Doctor if they should give the mother 'the injection' to help her on her way.

 

They didn't take up this offer but it was on the table...

 

As it should be with the patient's consent.

 

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Edited December 16, 2018 by JimmyJ

[Robins]

I'm no fan of Government, but it does need to be involved in the suicide  protocol and set strict rules including the involvement of a doctor and a psychological evaluation.  The danger is that there are people who would rush their parent's death to get their hands on their inheritances.  Sadly most of us know there are people that evil. 

 

Other than that, sign me up when life becomes nothing more than one doctors appointment after another, constant pain and boredom.  

Edited December 16, 2018 by Robins

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, JimmyJ said:

As it should be with the patient's consent.

This is the main problem, they didn't ask the patient - it was up to the daughter. That's how it was explained to me anyway.

Edited December 16, 2018 by ukrules

[ukrules]

4 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

How is she now?

Long dead.

[mogandave]

I think if people want to kill themselves they should do it themselves. Involving the state and the heirs introduces too many avenues of corruption.

Everyone wants to die young until they get old.

[CharlieH]

Nice comfortable "drop-in" centre, a beverage of your choice (laced with knockout) once unconcious given the needle to finish.

Next ! 

 

Easy, painless, effective.

 

[StreetCowboy]

32 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Nice comfortable "drop-in" centre, a beverage of your choice (laced with knockout) once unconcious given the needle to finish.

Next ! 

 

Easy, painless, effective.

 

I'm not sure the courts would look kindly to those who administered the fatal injection to their guests.

It's bad enough waking up without your wallet and phone after a night in Nana Plaza.

[CharlieH]

9 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

I'm not sure the courts would look kindly to those who administered the fatal injection to their guests.

It's bad enough waking up without your wallet and phone after a night in Nana Plaza.

Such a place would never be allowed to exist, thats the problem. Too many "pc" voices, rules, regs and more.

The eternal debate.

[StreetCowboy]

1 hour ago, CharlieH said:

Such a place would never be allowed to exist, thats the problem. Too many "pc" voices, rules, regs and more.

The eternal debate.

I think it's a bit extreme to call the prohibition on murdering your clientele "PC".

And I don't think a simple ban on murdering your customers can count as "too many" regulations and rules.

Indeed, it's not even a single rule, since it falls under the "thou shalt not kill" general prohibition.  It was yourself that was proposing an arcane and easily abused web of complex exclusions and permissions to allow elderly spinsters to murder their lodgers, subject to easily-forged consent affidivits, and bury them in 'locks' in the cellar.

[StreetCowboy]

I found another victim of euthanasia on another forum, and had to salvage what parts I could to create a 'Frankenstein's Monster'.  The current prognosis is that it is progressing in reasonable health, but I'll keep you posted.

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Nice comfortable "drop-in" centre, a beverage of your choice (laced with knockout) once unconcious given the needle to finish.

Next ! 

Easy, painless, effective.

 

Or just go to a ladyboy bar in Chiang mai , show 10 000 baht in your wallet , go to the toilet, leaving your drink uncovered and goodbye cruel world

[wgdanson]

On 12/16/2018 at 10:36 PM, ukrules said:

I'm not joking when I say you're in the right country for a bit of euthanasia.

 

I know someone who was asked in a hospital by a Doctor if they should give the mother 'the injection' to help her on her way.

 

They didn't take up this offer but it was on the table...

I remember my Mum (RIP) telling me back in the 60s, that they gave elderly patients who were on their way out a 'Brompton's Cocktail' to help them go. I think it was booze and morphine, on the NHS too.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brompton_cocktail

[mogandave]

It would be nice if the family could get a bonus or rebate for talking their “loved” ones into going and saving the state or insurance company money.

Or parents with otherwise healthy suicidal kids could actually market the organs on the open market.

[StreetCowboy]

18 minutes ago, mogandave said:

It would be nice if the family could get a bonus or rebate for talking their “loved” ones into going and saving the state or insurance company money.

Or parents with otherwise healthy suicidal kids could actually market the organs on the open market.

I don't see why it should be the parents.  That seems immoral to profit from the depression of your children.  Gypsy scrap-dealers could tour the country
"Bring Out Your Sad! Only the Lonely!"

[Spidey]

On ‎12‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 3:36 PM, ukrules said:

I'm not joking when I say you're in the right country for a bit of euthanasia.

 

I know someone who was asked in a hospital by a Doctor if they should give the mother 'the injection' to help her on her way.

 

They didn't take up this offer but it was on the table...

My Gran was asked this back in the UK when my Grandad had terminal cancer. She accepted. She told him that he'd had a really big win on the horses. 2 hours later he was dead. It goes on in most countries an has done for many years.

[mogandave]

I don't see why it should be the parents.  That seems immoral to profit from the depression of your children.  Gypsy scrap-dealers could tour the country
"Bring Out Your Sad! Only the Lonely!"

Yeah, even better if your friends can do it. Livers and hearts and whatnot from healthy young people would be worth long money....

[rumak]

I like the idea but wouldn't invest money in it.   It's a dying business.

[StreetCowboy]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Yeah, even better if your friends can do it. Livers and hearts and whatnot from healthy young people would be worth long money....
 

 

It would take ages with a wire brush and dettol to get the hearts clean for most of my friends.  At least the livers are already pickled, so there would be no rush there.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

In my view, the bigger problem right now are medical establishments and governments that don't WANT to allow people who no longer wish to live because of medical problems or chronic diseases to be helped to their death, by their choice and direction, in a safe and medically appropriate way.

 

So here in Thailand, for example, you get the elderly farangs sometimes jumping out of tall buildings or hanging themselves or shooting themselves at home because they feel they have no other recourse.

 

If I get very old or sick to the point where I don't want to live anymore, and I'm of sound mind in making that decision, I'd want a quiet place to go where a doctor or nurse would give me a shot to put me to sleep, and then whatever else is required to put me out. Peacefully, non-violently, with some degree of decorum.

 

But sadly, AFAIK, that doesn't exist in Thailand and doesn't exist in many other countries as well.

 

[StreetCowboy]

47 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

In my view, the bigger problem right now are medical establishments and governments that don't WANT to allow people who no longer wish to live because of medical problems or chronic diseases to be helped to their death, by their choice and direction, in a safe and medically appropriate way.

 

So here in Thailand, for example, you get the elderly farangs sometimes jumping out of tall buildings or hanging themselves or shooting themselves at home because they feel they have no other recourse.

 

If I get very old or sick to the point where I don't want to live anymore, and I'm of sound mind in making that decision, I'd want a quiet place to go where a doctor or nurse would give me a shot to put me to sleep, and then whatever else is required to put me out. Peacefully, non-violently, with some degree of decorum.

 

But sadly, AFAIK, that doesn't exist in Thailand and doesn't exist in many other countries as well.

 

I still don't think that it is right for people to kill other people.  What they could perhaps do is give you a sedative and some poison, to take or leave as you saw fit.

 

Although some people would think that was like giving suicidal young people razor blades, so that they could have a good shave and take pride in their appearance, if they so chose.

[mogandave]

In my view, the bigger problem right now are medical establishments and governments that don't WANT to allow people who no longer wish to live because of medical problems or chronic diseases to be helped to their death, by their choice and direction, in a safe and medically appropriate way.
 
So here in Thailand, for example, you get the elderly farangs sometimes jumping out of tall buildings or hanging themselves or shooting themselves at home because they feel they have no other recourse.
 
If I get very old or sick to the point where I don't want to live anymore, and I'm of sound mind in making that decision, I'd want a quiet place to go where a doctor or nurse would give me a shot to put me to sleep, and then whatever else is required to put me out. Peacefully, non-violently, with some degree of decorum.
 
But sadly, AFAIK, that doesn't exist in Thailand and doesn't exist in many other countries as well.
 

A safe way to be killed, how funny is that?

I don’t think people should have to kill people.

Nothing stopping virtually anyone from killing themselves.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 minutes ago, mogandave said:

A safe way to be killed, how funny is that?
 

 

 

What I said was, "safe and medically appropriate way" and expanded on that to add, " Peacefully, non-violently, with some degree of decorum."

 

That kind of rules out:

--throwing yourself off a tall building

--shooting yourself

--hanging yourself

--overdosing yourself in a way that may or may not be successful.

 

I had a family member who died after a long bout with multiple sclerosis that left that person as pretty much an invalid, in considerable pain, mentally out of it, and totally unable to care for themselves or even turn over in bed for the last 20 years of their life. That person couldn't have done or even attempted any of the above, even if they wanted to, because basically they couldn't move at all on their own.

 

Let me assure you, there's absolutely nothing funny about any aspect of any person being left basically as a vegetable with virtually no quality of life at all. People who find themselves in that kind of sad situation ought to have the choice to end their life, and get help doing so if needed, in some decent way.

 

[faraday]

Louis Theroux made an excellent docu in the us about euthanasia.

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-11-19/louis-theroux-altered-states-euthenasia/

[StreetCowboy]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

What I said was, "safe and medically appropriate way" and expanded on that to add, " Peacefully, non-violently, with some degree of decorum."

 

That kind of rules out:

--throwing yourself off a tall building

--shooting yourself

--hanging yourself

--overdosing yourself in a way that may or may not be successful.

 

I had a family member who died after a long bout with multiple sclerosis that left that person as pretty much an invalid, in considerable pain, mentally out of it, and totally unable to care for themselves or even turn over in bed for the last 20 years of their life. That person couldn't have done or even attempted any of the above, even if they wanted to, because basically they couldn't move at all on their own.

 

Let me assure you, there's absolutely nothing funny about any aspect of any person being left basically as a vegetable with virtually no quality of life at all. People who find themselves in that kind of sad situation ought to have the choice to end their life, and get help doing so if needed, in some decent way.

 

Carbon monoxide poisoning by burning charcoal is fairly clean and painless, I believe, but you'd want to get your double-glazing and draught-proofing sorted first.  There's nothing worse than stumbling down to B&Q in a morbid torpor for another bag of briquettes.  If you do have to, please don't drive.