On 12/17/2018 at 9:45 AM, dunroaming said:

The good old WTO rules.

 

Our current EU membership means 0% tariffs.  WTO tariffs on cars is 10%.  On shoes it is 12% and on beef it is a staggering 90%.  Still we can gloss over that can't we.

 

 

Are you sure you’re figures are correct?

When we do finally exit this so called a Union. One of the advantages will be that we can then make agreements to import Foods at a lower cost, this should be a great advantage to developing countries.

The only down side to this,is that the British consumer will be able to buy food even cheaper, thus increasing the number of obeast people.

 

Most beef imports into the EU are subject to ad valorem tariffs of 12.8 per cent, plus a fixed amount ranging from €1,414 to €3,041 per tonne, depending on the cut. In most cases, this tariff equates to an addition of 50 per cent or more to the value of imports, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported beef to compete with EU meat. Processed beef products are also subject to import tariffs but most bovine offal can be imported tariff-free.

11 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Populists, hand in hand at the altar.

 Six words of nothing. Congratulations,your keeping to form.

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

 

 

Are you sure you’re figures are correct?

When we do finally exit this so called a Union. One of the advantages will be that we can then make agreements to import Foods at a lower cost, this should be a great advantage to developing countries.

The only down side to this,is that the British consumer will be able to buy food even cheaper, thus increasing the number of obeast people.

 

Most beef imports into the EU are subject to ad valorem tariffs of 12.8 per cent, plus a fixed amount ranging from €1,414 to €3,041 per tonne, depending on the cut. In most cases, this tariff equates to an addition of 50 per cent or more to the value of imports, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported beef to compete with EU meat. Processed beef products are also subject to import tariffs but most bovine offal can be imported tariff-free.

Sounds like a load of tripe! Sorry! ????

29 minutes ago, tebee said:

You could have spelt Canute wrong (and got it right)! 

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Sounds like a load of tripe! Sorry! ????

 

naaah,

not tripe - beef and vegetables

 

 

14 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The Hard Brexiteers getting into bed with Corbyn? Predictable from Day One.

Didn't quite see the SNP sneaking under the sheets for a threesome though.

14 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Populists, hand in hand at the altar.

 

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

 Six words of nothing. Congratulations,your keeping to form.

The Hard Brexiteer School Of Almost Being Able To Add Up.

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

 

Are you sure you’re figures are correct?

When we do finally exit this so called a Union. One of the advantages will be that we can then make agreements to import Foods at a lower cost, this should be a great advantage to developing countries.

The only down side to this,is that the British consumer will be able to buy food even cheaper, thus increasing the number of obeast people.

 

Most beef imports into the EU are subject to ad valorem tariffs of 12.8 per cent, plus a fixed amount ranging from €1,414 to €3,041 per tonne, depending on the cut. In most cases, this tariff equates to an addition of 50 per cent or more to the value of imports, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported beef to compete with EU meat. Processed beef products are also subject to import tariffs but most bovine offal can be imported tariff-free.

But if the pound falls in value any savings in tariffs will be quickly absorbed by the higher costs of paying for those imports.

 

And the likelihood is that the pound will fall severely in case of a hard Brexit. 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-18/forex-market-isn-t-buying-idea-a-no-deal-brexit-can-be-managed?utm_content=brexit&utm_source=twitter&cmpid%3D=socialflow-facebook-brexit&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_medium=social

13 hours ago, BobBKK said:

It is UNBELIEVABLE that a vote of no confidence would be ignored. Totally against the spirit of democracy and born of fear. May is a disgrace.  

Not that the Hard Brexiteers want Parliament to determine anything really.

9 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Not that the Hard Brexiteers want Parliament to determine anything really.

'Hard' applies to the inability by one side to accept that they lost a democratic vote and are leaving the EU. No amount of grandstanding will change that.

41 minutes ago, evadgib said:

'Hard' applies to the inability by one side to accept that they lost a democratic vote and are leaving the EU. No amount of grandstanding will change that.

This is not about leaving the EU. It is about the terms of leaving and future relationship. Please refer to Parliament. That is where the action is. Not the flag-waving nutters standing outside.

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

'Hard' applies to the inability by one side to accept that they lost a democratic vote and are leaving the EU. No amount of grandstanding will change that.

Calling a heavily manipulated vote “democratic” says a lot about how much Brexiteers actually value democracy.

 

And you really still believe that you will be leaving the EU? Come on. Be realistic. At least once. The whole thing will be called off. Either through another referendum or through parliament cancelling A50. Not that I would want the U.K. in its current state back, but that’s how things look like (and you know it). Or you will end up staying in the EU but without any rights whatsoever and paying for it. 

Is any of that “leaving the EU”? Keep dreaming. 

Calling a heavily manipulated vote “democratic” says a lot about how much Brexiteers actually value democracy.
 
And you really still believe that you will be leaving the EU? Come on. Be realistic. At least once. The whole thing will be called off. Either through another referendum or through parliament cancelling A50. Not that I would want the U.K. in its current state back, but that’s how things look like (and you know it). Or you will end up staying in the EU but without any rights whatsoever and paying for it. 
Is any of that “leaving the EU”? Keep dreaming. 

Wanna bet???

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18 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Calling a heavily manipulated vote “democratic” says a lot about how much Brexiteers actually value democracy.

 

And you really still believe that you will be leaving the EU? Come on. Be realistic. At least once. The whole thing will be called off. Either through another referendum or through parliament cancelling A50. Not that I would want the U.K. in its current state back, but that’s how things look like (and you know it). Or you will end up staying in the EU but without any rights whatsoever and paying for it. 

Is any of that “leaving the EU”? Keep dreaming. 

 

so

you don't think the deal will fly in parliament?

 

another referendum? millions in UK would not be amused

revoke A50? millions would not be amused - will also have some (short time) political repercussions

 

for parliament (not in favour of HB) agreeing to May-deal is the easiest and most comfortable way out

 

27 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Calling a heavily manipulated vote “democratic” says a lot about how much Brexiteers actually value democracy.

 

And you really still believe that you will be leaving the EU? Come on. Be realistic. At least once. The whole thing will be called off. Either through another referendum or through parliament cancelling A50. Not that I would want the U.K. in its current state back, but that’s how things look like (and you know it). Or you will end up staying in the EU but without any rights whatsoever and paying for it. 

Is any of that “leaving the EU”? Keep dreaming. 

 

and,

I still think that if UK managed to change PM/government

it would be possible to make changes to deal and political cover

 

note, EU has no interest in HB, same as UK parliament.

with a new PM/government and the alternative being HB or modify the deal/cover

I think the latter would be the course chosen

On 12/18/2018 at 9:31 AM, BobBKK said:

It is UNBELIEVABLE that a vote of no confidence would be ignored. Totally against the spirit of democracy and born of fear. May is a disgrace.  

Corbyn won't move a vote of confidence against the government, only against the prime minister. Mrs May is prime minister by virtue of the fact that she leads the governing party. She has just won a vote of confidence from her party.

 

If he moved a vote of confidence against the government, then it could not and would not be ignored. He knows that. He also knows he could not win it.

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Please refer to Parliament. That is where the action is. Not the flag-waving nutters standing outside.

 

 

that is where the action should have been, but it isn't

to the extent there is any action at all, its in D#10

 

parliament exchanges views on deal/Brexit when mama May allows parliament to do it

 

so much for democracy and sovereign parliament

 

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

so

you don't think the deal will fly in parliament?

 

another referendum? millions in UK would not be amused

revoke A50? millions would not be amused - will also have some (short time) political repercussions

 

for parliament (not in favour of HB) agreeing to May-deal is the easiest and most comfortable way out

 

I think I agree, but am confused by :-

 

"so you don't think the deal will fly in parliament?"

 

Clearly May's deal is not "flying" in parliament as she had to postpone the vote.

 

Which is why it's clearly not "the easiest and most comfortable way out" for MPs, for the reasons pointed out in the rest of your post.

41 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

so

you don't think the deal will fly in parliament?

 

another referendum? millions in UK would not be amused

revoke A50? millions would not be amused - will also have some (short time) political repercussions

 

for parliament (not in favour of HB) agreeing to May-deal is the easiest and most comfortable way out

 

“millions in UK [will] not be amused”

either way. And May’s deal, is agreed to, is not really leaving either, at least for the time of the transition period (which could be some years). 

11 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I think I agree, but am confused by :-

 

"so you don't think the deal will fly in parliament?"

 

Clearly May's deal is not "flying" in parliament as she had to postpone the vote.

 

Which is why it's clearly not "the easiest and most comfortable way out" for MPs, for the reasons pointed out in the rest of your post.

 

sure,

but time flies, the longer it takes before it comes to the crunch

the better the deal will fare - not necessarily fly, but fare better

 

the more time is wasted, the less time is left to do smth sensible

 

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

“millions in UK [will] not be amused”

either way. And May’s deal, is agreed to, is not really leaving either, at least for the time of the transition period (which could be some years). 

agree that the deal is not really leaving

but it is labelled and marketed as leaving, every day

41 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

sure,

but time flies, the longer it takes before it comes to the crunch

the better the deal will fare - not necessarily fly, but fare better

 

the more time is wasted, the less time is left to do smth sensible

 

To look on the (sort of) bright side, the uk is apparently finally starting to prepare for a no deal brexit.....

 

Of course they should have done this two years ago - but preferred to wait until the 'last minute', and then talk about 'the army being deployed' etc. etc. in an attempt to frighten people ☹️ .

48 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

agree that the deal is not really leaving

but it is labelled and marketed as leaving, every day

It's not leaving at all!  It's leaving in name only - and paying 39 bn for the privilege!

Edited December 19, 20187 yr by dick dasterdly

18 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

It's not leaving at all!  It's leaving in name only - and paying 39 bn for the privilege!

Come on. Everyone told you so. Don’t act like this comes as a big surprise. Only people who believed Boris’ and his friends’ fairy tales would be surprised. 

54 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Come on. Everyone told you so. Don’t act like this comes as a big surprise. Only people who believed Boris’ and his friends’ fairy tales would be surprised. 

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?
 

Presumably that everyone and their dog knew that May would do her best to ensure a leave in name only result?  Apart from those few who have time for Boris?

Edited December 19, 20187 yr by dick dasterdly

 

Any "club" that makes it this hard for members to leave should be viewed with cynicism and distrust. It's akin to shady gyms/fitness centres or dodgy online book clubs that offer amazing "lifetime" memberships. Oh-so-easy to join, but when you want to leave...? Well, that's a different story altogether...

 

Whenever any organization throws a relentless number of obstacles in the way of being able to exit that organization smoothly, the red flag should be raised on that organization, not on the entity trying to leave the organization. The EU is about as shady as it gets, and having 10,000 EU employees earning more than the PM of the UK (and the fact that we only know this because of leaked documents and not via transparent reporting systems in place within the EU) should make it obvious to everyone just how corrupt and shady the EU is.

 

And to all who disagree, please reply with one good reason why the EU should not be transparent with information such as this? The fact that the EMP's are not elected is bad enough, but to try to hide these massive salaries behind a wall of secrecy...? Come on people, wake up!! It's a total scam!!!

28 minutes ago, jimmybkk said:

 

Any "club" that makes it this hard for members to leave should be viewed with cynicism and distrust. It's akin to shady gyms/fitness centres or dodgy online book clubs that offer amazing "lifetime" memberships. Oh-so-easy to join, but when you want to leave...? Well, that's a different story altogether...

 

Whenever any organization throws a relentless number of obstacles in the way of being able to exit that organization smoothly, the red flag should be raised on that organization, not on the entity trying to leave the organization. The EU is about as shady as it gets, and having 10,000 EU employees earning more than the PM of the UK (and the fact that we only know this because of leaked documents and not via transparent reporting systems in place within the EU) should make it obvious to everyone just how corrupt and shady the EU is.

 

And to all who disagree, please reply with one good reason why the EU should not be transparent with information such as this? The fact that the EMP's are not elected is bad enough, but to try to hide these massive salaries behind a wall of secrecy...? Come on people, wake up!! It's a total scam!!!

what?

thy shall hear a lot before the ears fall off

 

its the other way round

it is NOT easy to join EU, its a lengthy costly and complicated process with adjustment

of national legal stipulations, adjustment of organizational matters, adjusting trade issues

it is COMPLEX

 

leaving is easy

you trigger A50, sit still and play with your thumbs for 2 years and you are out

 

 

19 minutes ago, jimmybkk said:

 

Any "club" that makes it this hard for members to leave should be viewed with cynicism and distrust.

Another Brexiteer lie. The EU doesn’t “make it hard for members to leave”. There is no single piece of legislation that would enable the EU to stop a member from leaving; on the other hand, the member can stop the process unilaterally. So stop spreading lies please.  

 

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It's akin to shady gyms/fitness centres or dodgy online book clubs that offer amazing "lifetime" memberships. Oh-so-easy to join, but when you want to leave...? Well, that's a different story altogether...

You are right insofar as Brexiteers act like those people who signup for contracts, subscriptions and memberships and then think that an agreement only goes one way and that they don’t have to respect their contractual obligations. Criminals.

 

You are right insofar as Brexiteers act like those people who signup for contracts, subscriptions and memberships and then think that an agreement only goes one way and that they don’t have to respect their contractual obligations. Criminals.
 

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