52 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

A lot fail to remember that every wall that has been built including prison walls has been breached at some stage whether it is by going over or digging under. How many people died trying to breach the Berlin Wall? How many people climbed over the Berlin Wall? How many people tunneled under the Berlin Wall. The wall is not the answer. The only successful way to make the border safe is by manpower. Enough Border Patrol officers with the right equipement to physically patrol the full length of the border and that is where the money should be spent and not on this wall.

if you think about it you have 2,000 miles of wall.

 

You really need 2 people per 1 mile of wall which is 6,000 people per 8 hour shift, so now you need 18,000 people just for the wall. you need to add another 6,000 people to cover holidays, sickness etc plus mobile backup. Now you have 24,000 staff and you will need many layers of management, say another 6,000 people.

 

Now to manage these 30,000 people you will need ancillary staff such as motor engineers, medical staff, comms staff, armourers, cooks, cleaners and their admin staff as well. Say another 6,000.

 

Now you are up to 36,000 staff. How many vehicles of all types, weapons, radios etc will you need for that? Well each on duty guard will need a vehicle, so will the supervisors at every level, the higher up you go the better the vehicle.

 

There will need to be barracks built, sports centres, jails for the people they catch, courts and court officials medical centres, translators on a 3 shift system.

 

You will also need, power, food and water to supply this empire.

 

Now you have built an empire.

 

One thing I didn't mention was the salaries. When you are an empire builder the government will supply all this so no worries there.

 

Anyway, Mexico will pay for the wall. After all Trump said so and he would never lie, would he.

25 minutes ago, billd766 said:

if you think about it you have 2,000 miles of wall.

 

You really need 2 people per 1 mile of wall which is 6,000 people per 8 hour shift, so now you need 18,000 people just for the wall. you need to add another 6,000 people to cover holidays, sickness etc plus mobile backup. Now you have 24,000 staff and you will need many layers of management, say another 6,000 people.

 

Now to manage these 30,000 people you will need ancillary staff such as motor engineers, medical staff, comms staff, armourers, cooks, cleaners and their admin staff as well. Say another 6,000.

 

Now you are up to 36,000 staff. How many vehicles of all types, weapons, radios etc will you need for that? Well each on duty guard will need a vehicle, so will the supervisors at every level, the higher up you go the better the vehicle.

 

There will need to be barracks built, sports centres, jails for the people they catch, courts and court officials medical centres, translators on a 3 shift system.

 

You will also need, power, food and water to supply this empire.

 

Now you have built an empire.

 

One thing I didn't mention was the salaries. When you are an empire builder the government will supply all this so no worries there.

 

Anyway, Mexico will pay for the wall. After all Trump said so and he would never lie, would he.

You forgot the people re-painting the wall, changing light bulbs and back-filling tunnels.

Gather 20 or so Brits and ask them for a blind vote on the best British movie ever made.

 

 

I would be extremely surprised if they did not vote for ‘The Great Escape’.

 

Like many best movies, it’s based on a true story.

 

’The Great Escape’ is a movie supporter’s of Trump’s wall ought to watch and learn from.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You forgot the people re-painting the wall, changing light bulbs and back-filling tunnels.

I also forgot the government pensions and health benefits too, as well as the need to take the salaries etc out of the POTUS shutdown limitation.

 

It was just a light hearted attempt to show the ridiculous costs of lack of forward thinking.

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2 hours ago, Russell17au said:

A lot fail to remember that every wall that has been built including prison walls has been breached at some stage whether it is by going over or digging under. How many people died trying to breach the Berlin Wall? How many people climbed over the Berlin Wall? How many people tunneled under the Berlin Wall. The wall is not the answer. The only successful way to make the border safe is by manpower. Enough Border Patrol officers with the right equipement to physically patrol the full length of the border and that is where the money should be spent and not on this wall.

The problem there is corruption. It takes a huge amount of vetting before someone is approved. And even so there is still there is lots of corruption. It's simply too easy to make a lot of money just by looking the other way.

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

The problem there is corruption. It takes a huge amount of vetting before someone is approved. And even so there is still there is lots of corruption. It's simply too easy to make a lot of money just by looking the other way.

Everyone know the wall is just a penis enlargement for the president. Nothing more nothing less. 

Everyone know the wall is just a penis enlargement for the president. Nothing more nothing less. 

For sure. Perhaps a better fit if the spiked steel slats on his fence design was topped with mushroom shapes instead of sharp spikes.

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46 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

The problem there is corruption. It takes a huge amount of vetting before someone is approved. And even so there is still there is lots of corruption. It's simply too easy to make a lot of money just by looking the other way.

But the wall is not going to stop that and make the border secure. Only manpower will do that

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If Americans stopped buying illegal drugs that would fix one of the problems.

 

Trump himself has employed illegal immigrants at his businesses, perhaps he could lead by example to fix that problems.

 

Trump’s open support for men accused of child abuse suggests he’ll not offer any help on that front.

 

 

Chomper  ,  Trumps illegal immigrants -- you forgot to mention that he forgot to pay them !

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

For sure. Perhaps a better fit if the spiked steel slats on his fence design was topped with mushroom shapes instead of sharp spikes.

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Albeit unusually small "mushrooms", that is if what one hears whispered is to be believed...

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You yourself are conflating a wall with a secure border.

 

A wall is not a secure border.

 

The House and Senate has bi-partisan support for a raft of ‘evidence based’ measures to secure the border, Trump refuses to sign because right wing mouthpieces on Fox/Talk Radio told him they wanted a wall.

 

 

With the growing disaffection and sometimes clear disassociation exhibited by more than one Fox News mouthpiece, I consider this wall business more like a case of DJT holding his own, vain and hopelessly misguided, pre-election feet to the fire.

I don't particularly like Trump's style but he's doing the right thing putting his foot down for the wall.

 

Something's got to be done about the massive numbers of illegals pouring in. And 10 years from now we're going to have snowflakes begging for compassion and citizenship for Dreamers who were carried oh so innocently in. And then a year hence more compassion and citizenship for their parents so they don't suffer the heartbreak of separation from their children they brought in strapped to their back.

 

Heck, immigration is great and made the US what it is. But keep it legal and the smart thing would be to make it skills-based so the country gets the kind it needs. 

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

For sure. Perhaps a better fit if the spiked steel slats on his fence design was topped with mushroom shapes instead of sharp spikes.

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As Mr. Trump has said, call it what you want, he's even open to it being called "Beaded Curtain"

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

As Mr. Trump has said, call it what you want, he's even open to it being called "Beaded Curtain"

A turd by any other name...

15 minutes ago, Bang Bang said:

I don't particularly like Trump's style but he's doing the right thing putting his foot down for the wall.

 

Something's got to be done about the massive numbers of illegals pouring in. And 10 years from now we're going to have snowflakes begging for compassion and citizenship for Dreamers who were carried oh so innocently in. And then a year hence more compassion and citizenship for their parents so they don't suffer the heartbreak of separation from their children they brought in strapped to their back.

 

Heck, immigration is great and made the US what it is. But keep it legal and the smart thing would be to make it skills-based so the country gets the kind it needs. 

And a wall would help achieve that how?

17 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I heard on the news this morning there's another caravan forming up, they're putting the number at 15,000 people. This is getting ridiculous. Get ready Tijuana for another invasion. How anyone can not think erecting barriers at strategic locations along the border is a good idea is beyond me. Folks hatred of POTUS is getting in their way of rational thinking. 

 

Yeah, remember that last caravan and the havoc it wreaked? No? That's cuz it was just another line of Trump bullshit. And remember how well received the Berlin Wall was? No? That's cuz it was a PREVIOUS policy of bullshit. Haven't we learned ANYTHING?!?

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And a wall would help achieve that how?

How do I explain this? Have you ever lived in a house? If you have you would know right away the utility of walls. They keep the neighbors from wandering in and falling asleep on your couch, bad people from sneaking up and helping themselves to your stuff, not to mention allowing you to do all kinds of kinky stuff with your partner without outsiders shining a light and pointing and laughing.

 

Some people who live in houses even have two sets of walls - one part of the house and the other around their property. Paranoid maybe but you'll not find a celebrity or wealthy person without them.

 

Military establishments are secured with with physical barriers as are other institutions where security is important, like nuclear power plants, prisons.

 

Do not mock walls. They are humble, plain-looking and do exactly what they are meant to.

Just now, Bang Bang said:

How do I explain this? Have you ever lived in a house? If you have you would know right away the utility of walls. They keep the neighbors from wandering in and falling asleep on your couch, bad people from sneaking up and helping themselves to your stuff, not to mention allowing you to do all kinds of kinky stuff with your partner without outsiders shining a light and pointing and laughing.

 

Some people who live in houses even have two sets of walls - one part of the house and the other around their property. Paranoid maybe but you'll not find a celebrity or wealthy person without them.

 

Military establishments are secured with with physical barriers as are other institutions where security is important, like nuclear power plants, prisons.

 

Do not mock walls. They are humble, plain-looking and do exactly what they are meant to.

Walls aren't worth much without guards. All the examples you cited have guards of one sort or another. Without them, walls are just easily scaleable physical objects. As others have pointed out. A wall that's nearly 2000 miles long is going to need a lot of guards. For a situation that is barely a patch on what it was just a few years ago. Illegal immigration from the southern border has drastically declined. Why spend so much to gain so little?

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Walls aren't worth much without guards. All the examples you cited have guards of one sort or another. Without them, walls are just easily scaleable physical objects. As others have pointed out. A wall that's nearly 2000 miles long is going to need a lot of guards. For a situation that is barely a patch on what it was just a few years ago. Illegal immigration from the southern border has drastically declined. Why spend so much to gain so little?

And, how many guards are needed without a barrier? Why did we build the existing barriers? Why do we maintain the existing barriers? According to you and many others a barrier is not necessary. 

9 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Walls aren't worth much without guards.

True. But how many guards would you need to man a walled boundary vs. an unwalled one? An unwalled border 2000 miles long is basically no border but a come-hither look from a naked, dripping, well, rich country.

 

 

1 hour ago, JAG said:

Albeit unusually small "mushrooms", that is if what one hears whispered is to be believed...

Awaiting Melania's tell all book with baiting breath. 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

baiting breath

bated breath

56 minutes ago, Bang Bang said:

I don't particularly like Trump's style but he's doing the right thing putting his foot down for the wall.

 

Something's got to be done about the massive numbers of illegals pouring in. And 10 years from now we're going to have snowflakes begging for compassion and citizenship for Dreamers who were carried oh so innocently in. And then a year hence more compassion and citizenship for their parents so they don't suffer the heartbreak of separation from their children they brought in strapped to their back.

 

Heck, immigration is great and made the US what it is. But keep it legal and the smart thing would be to make it skills-based so the country gets the kind it needs. 

The majority of illegals come in by AIRPLANE and just overstay their visas. You gonna put a wall up in the sky? It's pretty clear the "trump" wall thing is not about practical solutions but much more about xenophobia and racism towards non-white people from the south. 

Just now, Bang Bang said:

bated breath

If you say so. ????

Just now, Jingthing said:

The majority of illegals come in by AIRPLANE and just overstay their visas. You gonna put a wall up in the sky? It's pretty clear the "trump" wall thing is not about practical solutions but much more about xenophobia and racism towards non-white people from the south. 

Arrivals by plane have their passports/entry recorded are (theoretically) trackable. Those that swim the Rio Grande are not. The latter need to be kept out. Period.

2 minutes ago, Bang Bang said:

True. But how many guards would you need to man a walled boundary vs. an unwalled one? An unwalled border 2000 miles long is basically no border but a come-hither look from a naked, dripping, well, rich country.

 

 

As was remarked by a senator more or less , "A wall is a 4th century solution to a 21st century problem. Electronic monitors, drones, satellites, etc are far more suitable and far less expensive. 

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/06/674434725/new-southwest-border-arrests-jump-78-percent-in-november