Only Employers should be fined not workers.Employers should process work permits etc for their staff and therefore employees shouldn't  be  punished.????

4 hours ago, boonrawdcnx said:

Confirms everything about this “government” - unprepared for an event they knew about for more than a year - again more excuses, constant flip-flopping, manipulating, disorganized, poor planning skills, indecisive, poor organizational skills, dishonest- in one word - useless!


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Indeed.

 

And your prose could apply to the current UK government and a few more too!

 

Sad, sad state of affairs in many countries. 

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeed.

 

And your prose could apply to the current UK government and a few more too!

 

Sad, sad state of affairs in many countries. 

No, you are conflating matters which cannot be conflated.

 

Certainly, the UK government can be criticized for mismanaging the hugely complicated Brexit negotiations - partly the result of political views within the governing party (and parliamentary opposition) being split.

 

In the case of Thailand, there is astounding incompetence (and perhaps worse) in the face of a very simple calendar management issue.

11 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

What's proven worthless is a Junta unable to work as politicians... time to step aside & hand power back to a democratically elected government run by people who are capable of doing their jobs!

I don't hold out much hope of that ever happening!

 

Do you seriously believe the previously elected recent governments' politicians were capable of doing their jobs?

 

 

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Do you seriously believe the previously elected recent governments' politicians were capable of doing their jobs?

 

 

Ok, I erred in taking your last post seriously. I now see you are just an apologist for the Junta.

 

Harsh? Maybe to refute the suggestion, you need to clarify that even an imperfect democratically elected government is far superior to dictatorship, not least that it can be turfed out by the people if it fails to deliver.

Just now, jayboy said:

No, you are conflating matters which cannot be conflated.

 

Certainly, the UK government can be criticized for mismanaging the hugely complicated Brexit negotiations - partly the result of political views within the governing party (and parliamentary opposition) being split.

 

In the case of Thailand, there is astounding incompetence (and perhaps worse) in the face of a very simple calendar management issue.

 

The whole way the UK Tory party managed their internal conflict by using a poorly defined referendum, the lies told during campaigning, the actions to try and circumvent parliamentary process afterwards and the current continuing mismanagement smacks of incompetence, a desire to cling to power and the willingness to sell out the electorate. And the Opposition and fringe parties aren't much better, IMO.

 

Venezuela, several African countries, and some European ones have governments that aren't shining examples of competency. The US suffer the Great Donald and his wonderful grip on reality whilst the Aussies seem to want to challenge Italy for most changes in government champions.

 

Here, whilst their is seemingly astounding incompetence, civil service and whatever government happens to be in power; some of the most extraordinary and blatantly nonsense excuses given for every failure, have you noticed how those at the top, the elite, always profit? We all criticize them for the lack of democracy, different levels of justice for some, lack of learning and repeating the same mistakes whilst dreaming up more daft excuses etc etc. But those at top, whose share of the countries wealth is ever increasing, are gonna do their best to ensure that never changes.

 

Thailand is a little unique. Everyone knows what's going on, the corruption etc, but know one rocks the boat or seemingly wants to do anything about. More interested in finding a seat on the gravy train and then keeping that seat however they can. 

31 minutes ago, jayboy said:

Ok, I erred in taking your last post seriously. I now see you are just an apologist for the Junta.

 

Harsh? Maybe to refute the suggestion, you need to clarify that even an imperfect democratically elected government is far superior to dictatorship, not least that it can be turfed out by the people if it fails to deliver.

 

No you didn't err. You were using your intelligence before reverting back to slagging the Junta and implying the Shins and their ilk were somehow better behaved and/or more efficient because they were elected. Whereas I believe them all to be corrupt, incompetent apart from enriching themselves and all trying to gain control of the gravy train first and foremost. 

 

Of course an elected government is better than a dictatorship - whether that dictatorship is a right wing military style one or a left wing one that will do anything to hold on to power including election fraud and terrorizing the opposition. Some politicians refuse to leave office or try to occupy it illegally (African leaders are specialists in this) and create the excuse for Juntas. 

 

Just look around the world at how many "political families, political classes" there are dominating politics in their respective countries. I really don't think these families, sometimes over generations, are all in it because of a strong desire to serve their people!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 20197 yr by Baerboxer

4 hours ago, markaoffy said:

Junta must need more time to have “certain things “ sorted out before its technically removed !

technically removed ! . . . that has to be the metonymy of the year, already. I guess they wouldn't need more time for 'asset stripping' if they hadn't a clue what it meant . . . other than going to the bathroom, that is ????

Edited January 4, 20197 yr by Ossy
clarity

I don't disagree with you about the factors at work in Thailand. However, to move forward there must be a democratically legitimate government, a working civil society and an assault on economic inequality. Even if one disagrees about the details, there surely is unanimity among reasonable people that a first step involves ditching dictatorship.

 

As to comparisons with other countries, I think this is really "whataboutery" which distracts attention from Thailand's unique problems.

OMG - how long before a permanent postponement so that "men in uniforms" can continually rule as they do in Laos, Burma, Vietnam and Cambodia! All "peas in a pod"

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Do you seriously believe the previously elected recent governments' politicians were capable of doing their jobs?

 

 

Yep, they have shown to be a lot more organized than this lot. But of course, the most important issue is, these clowns do not even have a mandate. 4.5 years of policies that were decremental to Thailand's economy and treasury, which makes the rice scheme look like child's play. And not a single member of the Thai electorate (to which the country belongs, if the constitution is to be believed) could do something about it.

 

To liken this to the UK government, that has been brought into this position by the electorate stupidly voting to leave the EU is absolutely not justified or even on topic. Apples and oranges. 

 

But nice try to deflect, next time try a little bit better, we are not buying it.

gives them more time to invalidate candidates and parties. maybe also spending more money giving it to the people

 

 

8 hours ago, BobBKK said:

It's a FARCE

That's incorrect spelling , but close enough I guess as the real spelling would be allowed.

is anyone REALLY surprised?

6 hours ago, Psimbo said:

No Siree Bob, didn't see that coming- anyone who didn't should be in the Institute for the Blind!

 

Holding an election on the 5th of May with the other goings on is so farcical I can't believe they even mooted the date.

 

I am pretty sure of the reason for the NEXT excuse after this to delay things but due to a variety of restrictions I can't state it publicly other than 'funeral'. I think this comment falls within Modding guidelines. If not please feel free to delete this last paragraph.

 

Edit: I find it quite ironic that right next to this post at present is the picture of Prawit with his blingy hand over his eyes and the guy next to him laughing!

That one will be a "biggy", good for a years delay I should imagine ...

 

From observations, it still appears that many haven't a clue.

 

Farang eyes doesn't make the challenge. 

 

 

Not paying attention to the everyday freedoms, independence, and self-sufficiency.

Blinded by some fanciful notions.

Edited January 4, 20197 yr by zzaa09

2 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

From observations, it still appears that many haven't a clue.

 

Farang eyes doesn't make the challenge.

Tell us why - otherwise you're just bullshitting again...

8 hours ago, Cadbury said:

“The election needs to be held by February 2019,” Prayut said during his weekly press briefing on Tuesday.

The word of the Prime Minister is once again proven worthless.

Me no unnerstan.

 

They want to postpone the election because of the proximity of the proposed coronation. So this turkey suggests postponing by 1 month which brings it into closer proximity with the coronation. To me, it looks a lot like stupidity.

 

Thais are *way* to smart and *way, way* too subtle for me to comprehend.

 

 

5 minutes ago, HalfLight said:

Me no unnerstan.

 

They want to postpone the election because of the proximity of the proposed coronation. So this turkey suggests postponing by 1 month which brings it into closer proximity with the coronation. To me, it looks a lot like stupidity.

 

Thais are *way* to smart and *way, way* too subtle for me to comprehend.

 

 

Unless you have studied rocket science and brain surgery, don't even try to unnerstan. They are too complex for us!

12 hours ago, webfact said:

THE JUNTA-BACKED government yesterday tossed a hot potato toward the Election Commission (EC), putting the onus on the agency to decide the date of the general election taking into account the preparations for the royal coronation ceremony, while suggesting a month’s delay from the tentatively scheduled February 24.

Drum roll, cymbal crash!  Slide whistle..............................
Comedy-Fest Central as the Usual Suspects plan to move the goal posts yet again.

1 hour ago, HalfLight said:

Me no unnerstan.

 

They want to postpone the election because of the proximity of the proposed coronation. So this turkey suggests postponing by 1 month which brings it into closer proximity with the coronation. To me, it looks a lot like stupidity.

 

Thais are *way* to smart and *way, way* too subtle for me to comprehend.

 

 

Yep...

And it seems to be contagious. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Eligius said:

And the Thais go on taking it all ...

Sigh ..........

I'd love to know how many of them genuinely care about, or even know, what's going on.

There has to be a reason why they take this cr@p. 

Edited January 4, 20197 yr by djayz

14 minutes ago, djayz said:

I'd love to know how many of them genuinely care about, or even know, what's going on.

There has to be a reason why they take this cr@p. 

 

Yes, I've wondered about that too. Personally I think a part of their conditioning is to function as individuals and not as a society (yes I know that's incongruous as they act with a borg mind in so many other situations).

 

They just accept all this sh*t and seem to think it's happening somwhere else entirely and to someone else entirely. Arguably when they stop thinking like thast, then it will be 'I'm off' time for Prayuth and his merry band but Thais are conditioned to think only of themselves in a lot of instances, though I agree it's odd how they can think like it's all happening to someone else sometimes, and yet at other times they have a swarm mentality.

 

Weird huh?

 

 

That one will be a "biggy", good for a years delay I should imagine ...
 

Agreed, and for short term finessing there are always Redshirt arms stashes to be found.


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8 hours ago, noosard said:

Feb  Mar  April May  delay cause ????

April is Songkran

42 minutes ago, djayz said:

I'd love to know how many of them genuinely care about, or even know, what's going on.

There has to be a reason why they take this cr@p. 

Because they're not really repressed? 

 

24 March it is then pending confirmation by the Election Commission

Brutal response to the delay on social media. Lots of vulgarity thrown at Prayut. He and his deputy have kept silent probably reeling and shocked that the citizens have enough of their bs delay. Doesn’t matter if they have role in the delay. Message clear the pro Prayut parties will suffer the consequences. Karma 

And nobody is surprised. 

1 hour ago, HalfLight said:

 

Yes, I've wondered about that too. Personally I think a part of their conditioning is to function as individuals and not as a society (yes I know that's incongruous as they act with a borg mind in so many other situations).

 

They just accept all this sh*t and seem to think it's happening somwhere else entirely and to someone else entirely. Arguably when they stop thinking like thast, then it will be 'I'm off' time for Prayuth and his merry band but Thais are conditioned to think only of themselves in a lot of instances, though I agree it's odd how they can think like it's all happening to someone else sometimes, and yet at other times they have a swarm mentality.

 

Weird huh?

 

 

History seems to indicate that Thais will not put up with everything indefinitely.