A possible solution to the current immigration requirements.

[New beginnings]

I have read on this site that Immigration officials sometimes review comments on this forum.

 

With this in mind may I proffer the following solution which may benefit all parties to the current debate and would welcome members comments.

 

It is my proposal that all expatriates currently holding a retirement visa should automatically be entitled to renew there extension on production of there passport for another year without the need for additional documents or confirmation of bank balances.  This would appease expats who feel hard done by that the new regulations were not “grandfathered “ in as has been done in the past.

 

The benefits to all parties if the above policy was introduced are many as follows:-

 

1) It would streamline the procedure for immigration at no financial cost as expats would still be subject to the renewal fee being paid.

 

2) For 1 year no one renewing there extension would need to use an agent as this would clearly sound alarm bells within immigration. Therefore the question of possible “brown envelopes” being handed over would end.  This would also have a significant adverse effect on agents that have been acting illegally.  I appreciate legitimate agents will be adversely affected for the first year but many of these will be able to cover their cost through other services they are able to offer and will benefit in the long term.

 

3) Given the streamlining of extension renewal processing this will allow for immigration offices to prepare for the new procedures to take effect on a managed basis in 2020.

 

4) If the above were implemented it would restore expatriates confidence in the immigration policy and make expats feel that Thailand also appreciates and welcomes the contribution they make to the local community.

[glegolo]

You should be careful when trying to speak for other people. You shall NOT talk i.e. for ALL THESE NATIONS THAT STILL DO THE INCOME-LETTER.... We do NOT need what you are suggesting. We are just fine.

 

The ONLY people you can speak to and include is people from AUSTRALIA UK DENMARK AND USA.. NO ONE ELSE.....

 

glegolo

[New beginnings]

6 minutes ago, glegolo said:

You should be careful when trying to speak for other people. You shall NOT talk i.e. for ALL THESE NATIONS THAT STILL DO THE INCOME-LETTER.... We do NOT need what you are suggesting. We are just fine.

 

The ONLY people you can speak to and include is people from AUSTRALIA UK DENMARK AND USA.. NO ONE ELSE.....

 

glegolo

I appreciate your comments but do not see my post as being confrontational as the proffered solution would not be detrimental to any expat regardless of nationality.

[wobalt]

You should be careful when trying to speak for other people. You shall NOT talk i.e. for ALL THESE NATIONS THAT STILL DO THE INCOME-LETTER.... We do NOT need what you are suggesting. We are just fine.
 
The ONLY people you can speak to and include is people from AUSTRALIA UK DENMARK AND USA.. NO ONE ELSE.....
 
glegolo

This is all a political game between TI and named embassies to force them to reintroduce the income letters.


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[fforest1]

11 minutes ago, wobalt said:

This is all a political game between TI and named embassies to force them to reintroduce the income letters.


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Hopefully....

[jacko45k]

50 minutes ago, wobalt said:

This is all a political game between TI and named embassies to force them to reintroduce the income letters.
 

Where on earth do you get this impression. TI moved quickly to give an alternative to those affected by the Embassies' actions. 

I would be more inclined to believe TI wants Embassies to truly verify income and eliminate the rubber stamping or Stat Dec and affidavit methods they were employing. 

Edited February 6, 2019 by jacko45k

[MrPatrickThai]

19 hours ago, glegolo said:

You should be careful when trying to speak for other people. You shall NOT talk i.e. for ALL THESE NATIONS THAT STILL DO THE INCOME-LETTER.... We do NOT need what you are suggesting. We are just fine.

 

The ONLY people you can speak to and include is people from AUSTRALIA UK DENMARK AND USA.. NO ONE ELSE.....

 

glegolo

indeed, he should spend his time writing to his own government to tell them represent their citizens properly. 

[wgdanson]

19 hours ago, New beginnings said:

I have read on this site that Immigration officials sometimes review comments on this forum

And other posters suggest, probably correctly, that Thai Imm Officers would not be able to decipher a Bank statement in English.

So how the f*** would they read and understand some of the sh**e written here.   LOL

[amexpat]

19 hours ago, New beginnings said:

Therefore the question of possible “brown envelopes” being handed over would end.

Yes put an end to the question but not the practice.  

 

7 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I would he more inclined to believe TI wants Embassies to truly verify income and eliminate the rubber stamping or Stat Dec and affidavit methods they were employing. 

But they are embassies, not credit bureaus.  

[wgdanson]

4 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

indeed, he should spend his time writing to his own government to tell them represent their citizens properly. 

Glad to see you used the word THEIR.

[fforest1]

8 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Where on earth do you get this impression. TI moved quickly to give an alternative to those affected by the Embassies' actions. 

I would he more inclined to believe TI wants Embassies to truly verify income and eliminate the rubber stamping or Stat Dec and affidavit methods they were employing. 

Sense no embassy can 100% guarantee income no embassy letters should be accepted.....Sense ALL embassy letters are accepted except form 4 countries this means Thai immigration does not really give a rats-ass what any ones income is...

[jacko45k]

5 minutes ago, amexpat said:

But they are embassies, not credit bureaus.  

They issue passports and other functions don't they? Actually it is what TI regards as their responsibilities that is important, and they truly wanted them to verify income. Still I accept your point.

Edited February 6, 2019 by jacko45k

[spidermike007]

Very good suggestions. The current holders of retirement visas, or marriage visas, should be grandfathered in, on some level. Especially those with marriage visas, who have shown that they are committed to remaining here, and support local Thais in the process. What immigration is doing is terribly disrespectful to the ex-pat community, feels like a process of demonization, and reeks of xenophobia. It is beyond ugly. It leaves a sour, bitter, nasty, foul taste in one's mouth, and the end result is that they are going to be chasing away alot of good men due to hubris, ignorance, arrogance, an astonishing level of fear of the outside world, and indifference. 

[MrPatrickThai]

4 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

Glad to see you used the word THEIR.

Why?

[Mavideol]

am kind of curious, it's your proposal and it should be proposed to whom exactly, you want to propose to all expats here at TV, correct me if I am wrong but TV doesn't have decision making at TI thus, feel free,  propose as much as you want and you will get some funny comments and you could get some god laughs out of them.... I know I do

[bkk6060]

12 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Very good suggestions. The current holders of retirement visas, or marriage visas, should be grandfathered in, on some level. Especially those with marriage visas, who have shown that they are committed to remaining here, and support local Thais in the process. What immigration is doing is terribly disrespectful to the ex-pat community, feels like a process of demonization, and reeks of xenophobia. It is beyond ugly. It leaves a sour, bitter, nasty, foul taste in one's mouth, and the end result is that they are going to be chasing away alot of good men due to hubris, ignorance, arrogance, an astonishing level of fear of the outside world, and indifference. 

I disagree with it.

Expats mostly and embassies created this.

So many negative comments??

If you were swearing to the 65,000 before what is the difference? Now, you just need to ship it here it is a click of a button.

The 800,000 is the same just leave it in longer and withdraw half.

They really are not huge changes in my book for one that has gone by the rules, is an adult and can adapt to life's changes.

But I guess if a person lied about their income or got an agent to lie for them then....

Mommies can not help a person change any of it. Grow up, adapt, and accept reality.

[Khaeng Mak]

29 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

And other posters suggest, probably correctly, that Thai Imm Officers would not be able to decipher a Bank statement in English.

So how the f*** would they read and understand some of the sh**e written here.   LOL

Sigh

 

Disappointing to see you are also trolling this poster as well.

 

Some people are trying to help with the current situation.

 

You on the other hand chose to make a snide comment about the OP's misuse of THERE.

[Rugon]

20 hours ago, New beginnings said:

If the above were implemented it would restore expatriates confidence in the immigration policy and make expats feel that Thailand also appreciates and welcomes the contribution they make to the local community.

How many retirees attend their local community meetings?

 

Most of them wouldn't understand a word being said. 

 

Many contribute to the Boonrawd fund and poor farmers fund. lol

[fforest1]

10 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I disagree with it.

Expats mostly and embassies created this.

So many negative comments??

If you were swearing to the 65,000 before what is the difference? Now, you just need to ship it here it is a click of a button.

The 800,000 is the same just leave it in longer and withdraw half.

They really are not huge changes in my book for one that has gone by the rules, is an adult and can adapt to life's changes.

But I guess if a person lied about their income or got an agent to lie for them then....

Mommies can not help a person change any of it. Grow up, adapt, and accept reality.

When the last farang is forced to leave Thailand....

 

You can say to him....

 

Mommies can not help a person change any of it. Grow up, adapt, and accept reality.

[roo860]

Sigh
 
Disappointing to see you are also trolling this poster as well.
 
Some people are trying to help with the current situation.
 
You on the other hand chose to make a snide comment about the OP's misuse of THERE.

'Some people trying to help with the current situation',
The sooner some people accept it the better.

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[Khaeng Mak]

To the OP:

 

There is currently no expat holding a retirement visa.  They would have a Non O visa and be on a current extension of that based on retirement.

 

A blanket 12 monthly moratorium on financial for extensions applications would assist in alleviated the confusion and hardship created by the new rules.

 

Hopefully the moratorium would not only cover new applicants but also individuals like myself and Sheryl who have recently obtained an extension, but do not know whether or not we have to top up our bank accounts with 400K prior to March 1.

 

I am not sure what impact a moratorium would have on illegal agent activity. There are very few impediments to corrupt activity here. So it would be easy for agents to swing back into action in full force once the moratorium is lifted.

[fforest1]

8 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

 

 

Hopefully the moratorium would not only cover new applicants but also individuals like myself and Sheryl who have recently obtained an extension, but do not know whether or not we have to top up our bank accounts with 400K prior to March 1.

 

 

They want things murky and confusing....They strive to make things even more murky and confusing......If they did not want this the situation would be corrected with-in a day or 2......

Edited February 6, 2019 by fforest1

[wgdanson]

20 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

Sigh

 

Disappointing to see you are also trolling this poster as well.

 

Some people are trying to help with the current situation.

 

You on the other hand chose to make a snide comment about the OP's misuse of THERE.

If that's your idea of trolling, I suggest you read all the thousands of posts that have been going on this subject since before you joined TV and you will see that I too am trying to help with this situation.

 

If you never told a child how to spell, the English language would be disastrous. So why not tell an adult as well?

[wobalt]

Where on earth do you get this impression. TI moved quickly to give an alternative to those affected by the Embassies' actions. 
I would be more inclined to believe TI wants Embassies to truly verify income and eliminate the rubber stamping or Stat Dec and affidavit methods they were employing. 

But it will fail long term as the requirements are harsh. Remember that all other embassies give the income letter so it is easy for their citizen. If TI rely wants to truly verify why not Eliminate not All others as well?
If expats have to leave, who is to blame, TI or the embassies


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[MrPatrickThai]

2 minutes ago, wobalt said:

If expats have to leave, who is to blame, TI or the embassies

The expat is at fault for not planning his life properly. 

[Tanoshi]

22 minutes ago, Rugon said:

How many retirees attend their local community meetings?

Not me, because the Thais don't turn up either.

They discuss Thai Immigration policy at your local meetings?

[overherebc]

57 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Why?

????????

 Because they're over there in their embassies and we're 'ere not 'earing anyfink else 'cept second 'and jackanories John.

????????????

[rott]

Hi OP, just to clarify your words "all parties involved", there is only one party involved and that does not include anyone here.

 

Just the way it is.

[Khaeng Mak]

14 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

If that's your idea of trolling, I suggest you read all the thousands of posts that have been going on this subject since before you joined TV and you will see that I too am trying to help with this situation.

 

If you never told a child how to spell, the English language would be disastrous. So why not tell an adult as well?

Your conduct is in breach of the rules of this forum:

 

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...be aware that not every member is a native English speaker and excessive posts regarding others spelling and grammar not only hijacks the topic but is poor netiquette.

 

[Khaeng Mak]

17 minutes ago, fforest1 said:

They want things murky and confusing....They strive to make things even more murky and confusing......If they did not want this the situation would be corrected with-in a day or 2......

Yes. Lack of clarity promotes further opportunities to profit from corruption.