Britain's Labour Party splits over Brexit and anti-Semitism

[smedly]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You ought to pause whenever you use the term ’traitor’ and ask yourself are you being entirely rational.

 

Corbyn, with the backing of ‘Momentum’ is turning the Labour Party into a cult in direct conflict with  the Labour Party’s long history of encompassing and welcoming broad views across the spectrum of leftwing politics.

 

Corbyn and ‘Momentum’ have been behaving like thugs, demanding personal loyalty to Corbyn with the threat of deselection from MPs who have a duty to represent the whole of their constituencies.

 

While Corbyn is demonstrably unable to defeat, or even expose, the weakest Tory government in living memory, he and ‘Momentum’ attack dissenting voices within Labour.

 

A failing party leader propped up by ‘Momentum’ backing the Tory Brexit in the vain hope Brexit might hand Corbyn the keys to No 10.

 

I pause before accusing Corbyn of dereliction of his duty as party leader, viewing the evidence he’s simply not bright enough for the job.

 

Corbyn is a puppet, he spends 6 days a week preparing his PMQT speech which consists of shouting down and mouthing off some incoherent nonsense at TM, he is a vile excuse for a man and an idiot

[SheungWan]

7 hours ago, baboon said:

 Who are they traitors to, by the way?

The People's Popular Front For The Liberation Of The United Kingdom aka The Labour Party.

Edited February 19, 2019 by SheungWan

[Grouse]

52 minutes ago, smedly said:

Corbyn is a puppet, he spends 6 days a week preparing his PMQT speech which consists of shouting down and mouthing off some incoherent nonsense at TM, he is a vile excuse for a man and an idiot

A puppet for whom?

 

The man is utterly incompetent 

 

He is entirely unsuitable to be PM

 

Whenever I see him come out of his ghastly house and get into his nasty little people carrier dressed in his appalling clothes I am filled with feelings of disgust and embarrassment 

 

He is just a third rate Trotskyist trade union shop steward from the 50s. Comrade.

[brexiteer]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

A puppet for whom?

 

The man is utterly incompetent 

 

He is entirely unsuitable to be PM

 

Whenever I see him come out of his ghastly house and get into his nasty little people carrier dressed in his appalling clothes I am filled with feelings of disgust and embarrassment 

 

He is just a third rate Trotskyist trade union shop steward from the 50s. Comrade.

 

I would have to agree with that.

 

If Labour had a decent (populist/Blait type) leader they would have ousted the Conservatives by now.

 

Corbyn has failed the Labour party

[ivor bigun]

How do you destroy a party for the working man( not shirking man) elect Blair then Brown and lastly to finish the job ,elect Corbyn to lead ,backed up by Abbott the idiot.

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[Sir Dude]

The Labour party seems to be scoring spectacular own goals at the moment and the Tories have been lucky that these clowns have been in charge of the opposition recently.

Oh, almost forgot, just to cap-it-all-off Derek Hatton has just been accepted back into the fold of the party on the same day these 7 leave. That's funny and the irony should not escape many. And just for interest for those wondering what Trotsky Derek has been up to since his infamy in Liverpool...running a property empire in Cyprus, Lol...how very socialist of you Derek.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, sanemax said:

You make it sound like Tories want Brexit and Labour want to remain 

Extremists in both parties want Brexit.

 

But they are the extremists, they have more in common than they’d be pleased to admit.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

How do you destroy a party for the working man( not shirking man) elect Blair then Brown and lastly to finish the job ,elect Corbyn to lead ,backed up by Abbott the idiot.

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Blair got into power by a landslide.

 

Corbyn will never gain power and as result let's the CONs have a field day.

 

Only hope is for Lib Dems to hold the balance of power

 

BTW, is just me or was the country happier during the Blair years? By miles?

[Grouse]

10 hours ago, smedly said:

the people that voted them into the commons might have a different view on that - so they should do the honourable thing and let their constituents decide if they agree with the direction they are heading and I'm not talking about all the stuff they are making a stand against - I am specifically referring to their stance on Brexit - all the other stuff I actually agree with

 

From what I have listened to so far I believe they are deflecting concerning their stance on leaving the EU - there is only one way to give them a 100% mandate - a by election

 

but no they will not do that because they know they will lose 

Good idea. Let's have a general election.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Good idea. Let's have a general election.

Theresa May is probably mulling that idea right now.

 

Brexiteers will however be disappointed by the fact none of the ‘Brexit’ zealots (Rees-Mogg, Davis, Johnson, Fox etc) will go near the PM’s job until the mess they created is settled.

 

 

[Timbob]

Oh jeez, this thread is like the comments section of a Daily Mail 'article'.

 

This has nothing to do with Brexit. It's about a small group of MPs who believe the Labour Party should be Tory-light, like under Blair. Almost 4 years of backstabbing and chicken coups have failed miserably and this particular group are a bunch of nobodies who think they should be somebodies. Good riddance to them. I'm only sorry that a few more Red Tories didn't quit with them. If they had any principles they would face by-elections, but they are too cowardly for that.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Extremists in both parties want Brexit.

 

But they are the extremists, they have more in common than they’d be pleased to admit. 

Why are they extremist? Because they support the 17.4 million that voted to leave the EU which was the majority from those that voted by the way, in case you have forgotten.

 

Typical lefty, liberal view if you disagree and you are an extremist. I will be getting called racist now for disagreeing with a political side of the spectrum.????

 

[sammieuk1]

Labour is the Thai equivalent of an inactive post, sitting on the fence until they get their parliamentary pension rights payed up hoping the other side falls off their loftier perches or world war 3 the whole party looks to be as funny as a Graham Norton joke right now and that's a shame as their is no opposition to the millionaires party with Corbunkel hanging on to the pitiful show ????

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Why are they extremist? Because they support the 17.4 million that voted to leave the EU which was the majority from those that voted by the way, in case you have forgotten.

 

Typical lefty, liberal view if you disagree and you are an extremist. I will be getting called racist now for disagreeing with a political side of the spectrum.????

 

Supporting a withdrawal from the EU without a trade deal and without care for the economic damage that risks is as a very good definition of extreme.

 

Regardless of whether the person supporting such madness is a left or right winger.

[Laughing Gravy]

26 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Good idea. Let's have a general election. 

I will agree with that as she said she would stand down by the next election, so we can get a brexiteer in to do the job.

Sadly I don't feel she will do it as she is hell bent on ensuring the UK stays in the EU after all I believe that was her aim from the beginning. the evidence is there, Leadership battle, humiliated more than any other PM and yet still she won't leave, as she knows that a brexiteer is likely to be the next PM.

 

So she will keep doing the bidding for the EU, keep her pet poodle Ollie Robbins doing the so called negotiations and get her BRINO or another referendum.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Supporting a withdrawal from the EU without a trade deal and without care for the economic damage that risks is as a very good definition of extreme.

Where is your evidence for that or is it just your definition again. Why not go the whole way and call all brexiteers terrorists.

[baboon]

55 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Good idea. Let's have a general election.

I think that in all likelihood, a general election would simply produce a hung parliament of the same tossers we have now. So back to square one we would go...

Edited February 19, 2019 by baboon

[Grouse]

23 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I will agree with that as she said she would stand down by the next election, so we can get a brexiteer in to do the job.

Sadly I don't feel she will do it as she is hell bent on ensuring the UK stays in the EU after all I believe that was her aim from the beginning. the evidence is there, Leadership battle, humiliated more than any other PM and yet still she won't leave, as she knows that a brexiteer is likely to be the next PM.

 

So she will keep doing the bidding for the EU, keep her pet poodle Ollie Robbins doing the so called negotiations and get her BRINO or another referendum.

Ooh! Do you think so? I do hope so!

[Grouse]

6 minutes ago, baboon said:

I think that in all likelihood, a general election would simply produce a hung parliament of the same tossers we have now. So back to square one...

A hung parliament would put Vince in control and stop Brexit. Hooray 

[dick dasterdly]

58 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Blair got into power by a landslide.

 

Corbyn will never gain power and as result let's the CONs have a field day.

 

Only hope is for Lib Dems to hold the balance of power

 

BTW, is just me or was the country happier during the Blair years? By miles?

Blair gained power by a landslide as socialist voters thought he was a socialist.  We found out the hard way immediately, that he was a tory in disguise.  But I do agree that the electorate voted him in again ☹️.

 

The country wasn't happier during the Blair years IMO.  I for one, left the uk in '06 - with a serious dislike of all politicians.

[brexiteer]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

A hung parliament would put Vince in control and stop Brexit. Hooray 

 

 

 

I think I would rather have the odious Corbyn than the decrepit old, odious Cable.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Good idea. Let's have a general election.

Except we've already had one, and the electorate voted for parties that promised to abide by the brexit referendum....

[brexiteer]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

Except we've already had one, and the electorate voted for parties that promised to abide by the brexit referendum....

 

 

So that is:-

 

1. The Referendum

2. The General Election

 

each with the outcome that you correctly describe.

 

 

Maybe the Remoaners want another chance by having a General Election with an anti-Brexit party.

[dick dasterdly]

10 minutes ago, Grouse said:

A hung parliament would put Vince in control and stop Brexit. Hooray 

And yet at the last election when Vince's party was the only one supporting remain, they didn't do so well....

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, brexiteer said:

Maybe the Remoaners want another chance by having a General Election with an anti-Brexit party.

No major party would dare stand as 'remain'.

[BritManToo]

46 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Where is your evidence for that or is it just your definition again. Why not go the whole way and call all brexiteers terrorists.

Brexit supporters are patriots, remainers are the people that want Britain ruled by another country.

[Baerboxer]

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The threat of deselection is definitely an issue in these resignations but it has nothing to do with Brexit.

 

’Momentum’ are positioning to oust anyone who is not absolutely loyal to Corbyn.

 

The Labour Party has morphed into

the ‘Corbyn Party’.

 

The Tories will be delighted.

 

And so they should be, a competent Labour leader would have ripped this failing government to pieces, as it is Corbyn has torn Labour appart.

 

 

Your're right.

 

What is worrying is the amount of young, university educated people and teachers that I know who support Momentum. Most are too young to have lived through the shambles of previous labor governments; and Corbyn's promises of free education including tertiary for all, a rejuvenated NHS, a climate friendly UK, etc etc etc appeals. They have no idea or even consider how it will all be funded. 

 

They really don't see Corbyn as someone obsessed with the "evils' of Western capitalism who actually has no alternative to offer.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Brexit supporters are patriots, remainers are the people that want Britain ruled by another country.

 

If you've got nothing sensible to post, why bother?

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

No major party would dare stand as 'remain'.

 

If a party did, the result might surprise you.

[Baerboxer]

13 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

And yet at the last election when Vince's party was the only one supporting remain, they didn't do so well....

 

The last election wasn't fought on Brexit alone, was it? The Tories tried to make it all about Brexit and failed because Labor campaigned on other issues that concern the electorate.

 

Liberals are lost cause in the UK, in terminal decline but lingering on.