Australia confirms Wikileaks' Assange has valid passport

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Redline said:

They are tired of him whining and complaining, when they are footing the bill 

Asante hacking their IT wasn’t the brightest of moves.

 

 

It’s his cat I feel sorry for.

[bluesofa]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Asante hacking their IT wasn’t the brightest of moves.

It’s his cat I feel sorry for.

I suppose I'm feline sorry for it too. Does the cat have a valid visa, or has it also claimed refuge?

[Srikcir]

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

James Larsen, the department's chief legal officer, said he was not aware of any U.S. proceedings against Assange and so there was nothing to discuss.

Perhaps he missed this (Nov. 2018):

• A court document filed by mistake has revealed that the [US] Justice Department has filed undisclosed criminal charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.
• The prosecutor wrote that the charges and arrest warrant “would need to remain sealed until Assange is arrested in connection with the charges in the criminal complaint and can therefore no longer evade or avoid arrest and extradition in this matter.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/accidental-filing-indicates-indictment-prepared-julian-assange-n937036

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Perhaps he missed this (Nov. 2018):

• A court document filed by mistake has revealed that the [US] Justice Department has filed undisclosed criminal charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.
• The prosecutor wrote that the charges and arrest warrant “would need to remain sealed until Assange is arrested in connection with the charges in the criminal complaint and can therefore no longer evade or avoid arrest and extradition in this matter.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/accidental-filing-indicates-indictment-prepared-julian-assange-n937036

 

Charges that relate to assisting Russian interference in the 2016 US election.

 

What’s the problem with that?

 

 

[edit]

 

Incidentally the US cannot request the UK arrest or extradite anybody on the basis of a sealed indictment.

 

 

[ballpoint]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The United States arresting people in London.

 

That’s new.

Yeah, where do they think they are?  Canada?

[Ulic]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Charges that relate to assisting Russian interference in the 2016 US election.

 

What’s the problem with that?

 

 

[edit]

 

Incidentally the US cannot request the UK arrest or extradite anybody on the basis of a sealed indictment.

 

 

Yes, but the indictment will become unsealed the moment he steps outside the protection of the embassy. 

[tifino]

6 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

If a very convincing Assange look alike/ impersonator walks in to the embassy....who walks out?? I'm just thinking aloud here folks....

... search out the very best in the UK...

but... too late - they'd now need to use a coffin, but probably? a bit too obvious

[Cryingdick]

7 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

If a very convincing Assange look alike/ impersonator walks in to the embassy....who walks out?? I'm just thinking aloud here folks....

 

never mind.

[tifino]

[Prissana Pescud]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The United States arresting people in London.

 

That’s new.

You never heard about enforced extradition. Guantanimo is filled with enforced extradition.

Sometimes chomper, you need to do just a wee bit of research. US stated a decade ago that no one in any country

at any time need ever feel safe if they pose a threat to US. Not just arrest, but kidnapping

or in the case of Bin Laden in Pakistan, the invasion of a country by military forces to summarily

execute a wanted suspect. No trial, no nothing. US democracy at work.

 

[Cryingdick]

2 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

You never heard about enforced extradition. Guantanimo is filled with enforced extradition.

Sometimes chomper, you need to do just a wee bit of research. US stated a decade ago that no one in any country

at any time need ever feel safe if they pose a threat to US. Not just arrest, but kidnapping

or in the case of Bin Laden in Pakistan, the invasion of a country by military forces to summarily

execute a wanted suspect. No trial, no nothing. US democracy at work.

 

 

You are talking about renditioning. Anyway the indictment will likely be brought to the attention of the UK authorities the instant they arrest him and he can no longer flee. Last I looked we were talking about Assange and that situation.

[Tug]

I think he should ask Donald for a pardon for services rendered lol

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

You never heard about enforced extradition. Guantanimo is filled with enforced extradition.

Sometimes chomper, you need to do just a wee bit of research. US stated a decade ago that no one in any country

at any time need ever feel safe if they pose a threat to US. Not just arrest, but kidnapping

or in the case of Bin Laden in Pakistan, the invasion of a country by military forces to summarily

execute a wanted suspect. No trial, no nothing. US democracy at work.

 

Utter unadulterated hogwash.

 

If the US wishes to get their hands on Assange while he is in the UK, the US needs to issue a lawful international arrest warrant.

 

Subject to warrant meeting the legal requirements the UK police will arrest Assange.

 

From then on Assange has the absolute right to challenge his arrest and detention in open court of law.

 

Once arrested, the US can apply for extradition under the US/UK extradition treaty.

 

Once again Assange has the absolute right to challenge the extradition in open court of law.

 

The UK will not extradite anybody to the US without binding agreement that they are not sent to ‘Gitmo’, do not face the death penalty.

 

Throught the time from arrest to extradition Assange remains under the protection of British law and European Human Rights law.

 

He has the absolute right to due process and challenge any part of his arrest, detention and extradition in open court of law.

 

 

Away with you and your conspiracy hogwash.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

I think he should ask Donald for a pardon for services rendered lol

I have absolutely no doubt that was his plan.

 

Roger Stone’s indictment has put a stop to that, ‘Assange’ and the ‘Trump Campaign’ are named as Co-conspirators.

 

Trump will keep his ‘pardon power’ gunpowder dry for himself and only himself.

[Trouble]

The Embassy staff needs to put him in a big diplomatic pouch and fly him off to Ecuador where he takes a private jet to Australia. 

[bluesofa]

3 minutes ago, Trouble said:

The Embassy staff needs to put him in a big diplomatic pouch and fly him off to Ecuador where he takes a private jet to Australia. 

Will he fit in a kangaroo pouch? Or maybe he's epileptic?

[pacovl46]

20 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I guess if you believe jumping bail and hiding in someone’s cellar is “unlawful and arbitrary detention” then it’s not such a leap to believe lawful arrest is “kidnapping”.

The real culprit is the US government and the secret services, he merely blew the whistle on them. If anyone should be lawfully arrested and prosecuted it’s them.

 

Besides, the US have no jurisdiction in the UK, therefore the “lawful arrest” wouldn’t be lawful after all and therefore kidnapping.

[Basil B]

48 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

The real culprit is the US government and the secret services, he merely blew the whistle on them. If anyone should be lawfully arrested and prosecuted it’s them.

 

Besides, the US have no jurisdiction in the UK, therefore the “lawful arrest” wouldn’t be lawful after all and therefore kidnapping.

If he is arrested in the UK it will be for failing to surrender to his bail and possibly immigration offences for overstaying his visa, that is unless their are any extradition warrants still current.

 

The failing to surrender to his bail could get him sent down for 12 months, those who think he should be let off because the extradition warrants have been dropped are wrong, he committed a crime, there may be mitigating circumstances but they do not make him innocent.

 

Someone should tell him he needs change of scenery and HMP Dartmoor is nice at this time of year. 

 

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/web_Fail_to_Surrender_to_Bail.pdf

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

The real culprit is the US government and the secret services, he merely blew the whistle on them. If anyone should be lawfully arrested and prosecuted it’s them.

 

Besides, the US have no jurisdiction in the UK, therefore the “lawful arrest” wouldn’t be lawful after all and therefore kidnapping.

Stick to your day job.

 

The known US indictments naming Assange relate to his part in the Russian interference in the US election.

 

Your argument that the US has no jurisdiction in the UK is as I explained to you and correct. How you then leap back to your ‘kidnapping’ hogwash is beyond logical explanation.

[MikeN]

23 hours ago, GreasyFingers said:

What rigmarole. Just go to your local Post Office and the new passport comes back within a week.

Well in my case, DFAT stuffed up which meant I had to supply more evidence of identity, and then the application seemed to disappear somehow. Only after putting in an official complaint did anything happen but one thing that is consistent whether you apply in Australia or overseas is that you have to apply in person. So how did Assange apply in person while hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy ?

[stud858]

Still feel it's like children in suits playing barley in a playground.

 

Take the risk Julian. Pack some heat and head to an awaiting chopper.

 

[Blue Muton]

On 2/23/2019 at 2:38 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

The United States arresting people in London.

 

That’s new.

Not really, happens all the time.

[bendejo]

On 2/22/2019 at 10:00 PM, neeray said:

Above is always a great line for these "older men" to use when they face legal problems.

I'll have to remember that line if ever needed.

That's an easy one to remember, especially in recent weeks: Manafort needs a wheelchair to go to court, Michael Cohen is escorted by his little daughter who walks with a crutch, like poor Tiny Tim.  Cheney attended Obama's inaugural in a wheelchair, which I think was to avoid standing for the new you-know-what president.  I'm expecting Stone to show up for trial in a gurney and hooked up to a respirator.  The trend was set by US mafioso.

Oops!  Another crime family analogy.

 

Well, Assange is notorious for his bad hygiene, so there may be some basis for poor health, though probably exaggerated.  I would guess that room he's been in all these years would make for an interesting science faire project.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

Not really, happens all the time.

No it does not.

 

Arrests made in London in response to international arrest warrants are made by the British Police under British law and under the jurisdiction of British courts.

[KiChakayan]

This guy makes me love Oz, even more...

[Blue Muton]

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No it does not.

 

Arrests made in London in response to international arrest warrants are made by the British Police under British law and under the jurisdiction of British courts.

You need to watch more movies and tv shows, they show Yank cops going all over the world with their shields and guns, shooting the locals at will, nowhere is outside of their jurisdiction. If I've seen it at the movies (or even read it on the internet) it must be true!

[chainarong]

For the record , A Passport can be issued buy post , Mr Assange is on Ecuador territory not UK, as one of its citizens Australia has no argument with Mr Assange only USA,   Australia is well awhere of the US legal action against Mr Assange, for the Australian DFAT office to indicate otherwise is just creaming the pudding, everyone including the blind dog Fred that lives down the road,  knows what will happen to Mr Assange if he ever returns to OZ 

[Prissana Pescud]

11 hours ago, chainarong said:

For the record , A Passport can be issued buy post , Mr Assange is on Ecuador territory not UK, as one of its citizens Australia has no argument with Mr Assange only USA,   Australia is well awhere of the US legal action against Mr Assange, for the Australian DFAT office to indicate otherwise is just creaming the pudding, everyone including the blind dog Fred that lives down the road,  knows what will happen to Mr Assange if he ever returns to OZ 

Yes, he will be extradited to US. Aus is the US puppet after all.

The first country US calls up when they want to invade some country on some pretext is Australia. 

Watch out Murder Uro, we may be lapdogs to US, but we have excellent soldiers 

[Ebumbu]

They should have 10,000 (or 100,000) Assange look-alikes all converge on the embassy at once (flash mob) and call taxis and Ubers. A bold plan is required. He can then attach himself to a man-sized drone and fly to a nearby safe house to replace his face and fingerprints with perfect latex replicas of Steve Martin, Lex Luthor, or Edgar Winter. It would be child's play to create a new passport. 

[JAG]

3 hours ago, Ebumbu said:

They should have 10,000 (or 100,000) Assange look-alikes all converge on the embassy at once (flash mob) and call taxis and Ubers. A bold plan is required. He can then attach himself to a man-sized drone and fly to a nearby safe house to replace his face and fingerprints with perfect latex replicas of Steve Martin, Lex Luthor, or Edgar Winter. It would be child's play to create a new passport. 

As inventive and plausible a scheme as many of Mr Assange's claims to be at risk of kidnapping by the United States should he venture out of the embassy!