8 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I‘m wondering if the oh so democratic union on the other side of the channel gives its member states the same veto right. How can the UK people actually vote Olly Robbins out of office? 

 

By voting May out of office.

Its the game of making millions of euros from rinsed out pounds making the UK cheap to come and stay and settle for foreigners just what the Brexiteers ordered ????

3 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

Leadsom asks, what game are they playing?

 

On could also ask, what game is the UK playing?

 

 

You'd be better asking what games are being played inside the Tory and Labor parties and played out in the British parliament.

 

This air-head shows her muppet like credentials when she tries to shift the blame for her party's clueless bickering onto the EU.

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

If Andrea Leadsom would be so kind to tell us what are the UK proposals re the border backstop.

 

She'd struggle to tell you what day it is!

I'm from the colonies but I always liked this song.

 

3 hours ago, david555 said:

From beginning the E.U. made clear his point , and did not told you fairy tales

The UK should have made it clear from the beginning that we were leaving the European Empire on WTO and then spent the 2 years which ART50 provides to prepare for that - there might even have been an opportunity to talk trade in parallel.

 

As it stands the people of the UK voted to leave and that is what we are going to do.

 

The 5th biggest economy in the world will still buy BMW's and French wine and cheese and Irish Beef and milk after we leave - it is up to the EU how we do that

 

It all started as a trading agreement between the 6 big EU countries which was fine - it is now an undemocratic political power grabbing Empire with asperations to become a military empire, that didn't end well the last time ...………………..………..no thanks

1 minute ago, smedly said:

The UK should have made it clear from the beginning that we were leaving the European Empire on WTO and then spent the 2 years which ART50 provides to prepare for that - there might even have been an opportunity to talk trade in parallel.

 

As it stands the people of the UK voted to leave and that is what we are going to do.

 

The 5th biggest economy in the world will still buy BMW's and French wine and cheese and Irish Beef and milk after we leave - it is up to the EU how we do that

 

It all started as a trading agreement between the 6 big EU countries which was fine - it is now an undemocratic political power grabbing Empire with asperations to become a military empire, that didn't end well the last time ...………………..………..no thanks

 

Eloquent summary.

 

 

 

+1

3 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

Leadsom asks, what game are they playing?

 

On could also ask, what game is the UK playing?

 

Billy Suggars!

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

If Andrea Leadsom would be so kind to tell us what are the UK proposals re the border backstop.

There is a border there already - get over it

 

and the Border has nothing to do with the GFA - the people in the North could still vote for a united Ireland if they wanted it - they don't 

1 minute ago, smedly said:

The UK should have made it clear from the beginning that we were leaving the European Empire on WTO and then spent the 2 years which ART50 provides to prepare for that - there might even have been an opportunity to talk trade in parallel.

 

As it stands the people of the UK voted to leave and that is what we are going to do.

 

The 5th biggest economy in the world will still buy BMW's and French wine and cheese and Irish Beef and milk after we leave - it is up to the EU how we do that

 

It all started as a trading agreement between the 6 big EU countries which was fine - it is now an undemocratic political power grabbing Empire with asperations to become a military empire, that didn't end well the last time ...………………..………..no thanks

Correction ….it started with 3 little country's who made it BENELUX... and the big brothers around us saw it was a genius thing that worked fine , and so adapted it and made it bigger (now it started to become too big …) only bad point = never ever take a full member with only 1 foot in and 1 out … recepy for a problem member!!

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

The UK should have made it clear from the beginning that we were leaving the European Empire on WTO and then spent the 2 years which ART50 provides to prepare for that - there might even have been an opportunity to talk trade in parallel.

 

As it stands the people of the UK voted to leave and that is what we are going to do.

 

The 5th biggest economy in the world will still buy BMW's and French wine and cheese and Irish Beef and milk after we leave - it is up to the EU how we do that

 

It all started as a trading agreement between the 6 big EU countries which was fine - it is now an undemocratic political power grabbing Empire with asperations to become a military empire, that didn't end well the last time ...………………..………..no thanks

It started with signing The Treaty of Rome.

 

The objectives of which are explicitly stated right at the beginning of the Treaty.

 

 

1 hour ago, samran said:

They won't be able to.

 

And if you leave it open, then you risk the rest of the world saying - legitimately - that if you aren't providing customs and other checks via that border on the island or ireland, then you must give us (the rest of the world) the same access via all your other ports.

 

Basically a choice of which is the lesser of two evils due to contracting international obligations.

Most of the Republics trade is with the UK mainland not N Ireland - go figure

1 minute ago, smedly said:

There is a border there already - get over it

 

and the Border has nothing to do with the GFA - the people in the North could still vote for a united Ireland if they wanted it - they don't 

The fact that the Irish border would be a problem for Brexit was widely discussed before the referendum.

 

You’ll find it filed under ‘Project Fear’.

 

 

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

48 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I‘m wondering if the oh so democratic union on the other side of the channel gives its member states the same veto right. How can the UK people actually vote Olly Robbins out of office? 

 

The United Kingdom does not have member states

5 minutes ago, smedly said:

The United Kingdom does not have member states

Right !.... they are colony's from England...

Well, I don't really know that much about the politics and I don't want to but having had the referendum result to leave politicians on both sides should have respected that and worked for exit. But no. People like Tony Blair started to rock the boat. Let's have another referendum...what is this game 'best out of three' then 'best out of five'. And I wouldn't trust TB (Iraq) as far as I could throw him. So a lot of time has been spent over issues which might never have happened if the British politicians and worked for exit.

27 minutes ago, smedly said:

Most of the Republics trade is with the UK mainland not N Ireland - go figure

What is your point? 

 

It it doesn’t matter. Under the beloved WTO rules that Brexiteers are banging on about you can’t discriminate against any of he 180 members how you treat trade (unless of course you have a WTO complaint bilateral trade agreement).

 

If the UK allows one member (ie the EU) a certain privileged to send items across the NI border - and does so without a formal trade deal - the rest of the world must have that same access. Same the other way. 

 

In other words, any unsanctioned discriminatory trade either way across Irish internal border and it’s on like King Kong from a WTO legal action perspective. 

 

It matters not that most of the ROI’s trade goes to the UK mainland. Not a jot...

37 minutes ago, smedly said:

The UK should have made it clear from the beginning that we were leaving the European Empire on WTO and then spent the 2 years which ART50 provides to prepare for that - there might even have been an opportunity to talk trade in parallel.

 

As it stands the people of the UK voted to leave and that is what we are going to do.

 

The 5th biggest economy in the world will still buy BMW's and French wine and cheese and Irish Beef and milk after we leave - it is up to the EU how we do that

 

It all started as a trading agreement between the 6 big EU countries which was fine - it is now an undemocratic political power grabbing Empire with asperations to become a military empire, that didn't end well the last time ...………………..………..no thanks

Sure, you can buy all the BMW's and french win you like. Its up to the UK to set its own rules regarding what it imports and under what conditions.

 

But you are now without a trade deal, and stuck OUTSIDE the EU's internal market. So good luck selling your stuff to them on the same terms you can now.

 

As with basic trade, you need to be able to sell your stuff to be able to buy their stuff. And they won't be as easy on you now you are outside the tent.

1 minute ago, samran said:

Sure, you can buy all the BMW's and french win you like. Its up to the UK to set its own rules regarding what it imports and under what conditions.

 

But you are now without a trade deal, and stuck OUTSIDE the EU's internal market. So good luck selling your stuff to them on the same terms you can now.

 

As with basic trade, you need to be able to sell your stuff to be able to buy their stuff. And they won't be as easy on you now you are outside the tent.

 

 

Evolution didn't come from doing the same things all the time.

 

For every setback there is an opportunity.

 

 

If the Eu does not wish to make trade terms attractive enough to sell UK goods then so be it. There will be winners and losers.

 

 

40 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

Well, I don't really know that much about the politics and I don't want to but having had the referendum result to leave politicians on both sides should have respected that and worked for exit. But no. People like Tony Blair started to rock the boat. Let's have another referendum...what is this game 'best out of three' then 'best out of five'. And I wouldn't trust TB (Iraq) as far as I could throw him. So a lot of time has been spent over issues which might never have happened if the British politicians and worked for exit.

You mean Hard Brexit but are a little coy about that.

17 minutes ago, LucysDad said:

Evolution didn't come from doing the same things all the time.

For every setback there is an opportunity.

If the Eu does not wish to make trade terms attractive enough to sell UK goods then so be it. There will be winners and losers.

Let's see how the Brexiteers behave if Hard Brexit isn't a 'winner' at the end of the month.

10 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Let's see how the Brexiteers behave if Hard Brexit isn't a 'winner' at the end of the month.

I'm all for hard brexit. Watching the leading lights of the movement trying to smile while chewing furiously on their self made sh!t sandwiches will be worth it.

26 minutes ago, LucysDad said:

 

 

Evolution didn't come from doing the same things all the time.

 

For every setback there is an opportunity.

 

 

If the Eu does not wish to make trade terms attractive enough to sell UK goods then so be it. There will be winners and losers.

 

 

Wow...such a detailed plan on what happens next.

1 hour ago, smedly said:

There is a border there already - get over it

 

and the Border has nothing to do with the GFA - the people in the North could still vote for a united Ireland if they wanted it - they don't 

The people of all Ireland would vote for unification tomorrow.

There's a rather good article in The Telegraph by David Campbell Bannerman, including this:

 

 

"There is further confusion over what the deal in ‘no deal’ is. It isn’t a ‘no trade deal’ or ‘a no Future Relationship deal’ - we haven’t even started negotiating those yet. It is a ‘no Withdrawal Agreement deal’. 

Let’s be clear. Up until now we have been dancing to the EU’s tune. The Withdrawal Agreement is specified under EU law - Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty - and went wrong from the start. Without one, all the EU treaties stop applying as of 29th March.

But trade deals are done under the global trade rules of the 164 member World Trade Organisation (WTO) that the UK. helped establish." 

 

In all likelihood MPs who want to eliminate "no deal", if the Withdrawal Agreement fails to pass in the Commons on 12 March, are unlikely to be able to do so, as leaving the EU on 29 March 2019 is enshrined in UK Law. It would take an act of parliament to undo that legislation, which would have to pass both houses of Parliament, (within 19 days, today...). 

19 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Let's see how the Brexiteers behave if Hard Brexit isn't a 'winner' at the end of the month.

I'm polishing my Morris bells and perfecting a gloat-dance as we speak.

9 minutes ago, samran said:

Wow...such a detailed plan on what happens next.

 

 

i didn't know I was being asked to provide a plan ?

6 minutes ago, Spidey said:

The people of all Ireland would vote for unification tomorrow.

you cannot have people from a foreign country voting in the UK

6 minutes ago, LucysDad said:

 

 

i didn't know I was being asked to provide a plan ?

Fair play. 

 

But there must be one somewhere, right? 

27 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Let's see how the Brexiteers behave if Hard Brexit isn't a 'winner' at the end of the month.

I am sure the Brexiteer's pin-up girl will wet her knickers...