May fights for control as lawmakers aim to seize Brexit process

[Laughing Gravy]

48 minutes ago, Basil B said:

If I were a Tory back bench MP, I would resign the whip until such time as May resigned and the Government started to listen to the people, 

How about first following what your constituents voted for if you were indeed a Tory MP. if you disagree with them have a by election first, as you seem to be claiming the moral high ground.

Edited March 30, 2019 by Laughing Gravy

[Basil B]

40 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

You mean the majority that voted to leave?

 

But I apologise, we've been round and round in circles on this point ☹️.

Well let's start by declaring the referendum Null in void due to malpractice by the leave camp...

[malagateddy]

Or malpractise by remain..cameron and co should be charged with gross misuse of public funds..sending basically eu propoganda to every household prior to the referendum by method of taxpayers money[emoji6]

Well let's start by declaring the referendum Null in void due to malpractice by the leave camp...

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[Basil B]

19 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Or malpractise by remain..cameron and co should be charged with gross misuse of public funds..sending basically eu propoganda to every household prior to the referendum by method of taxpayers money

 

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What ver side of the fence you are on you have to admit there were lies and the public was mislead, and therefore I go back to my statement calling for the Referendum to be declared "Null In Void".

[aright]

1 hour ago, Basil B said:

What ver side of the fence you are on you have to admit there were lies and the public was mislead, and therefore I go back to my statement calling for the Referendum to be declared "Null In Void".

If you want to see lies address the 80+% of MP's who endorsed Article 50 to effect our leaving the EU and the manifesto promise of the Conservative and Labour governments at the last election to take us out of the EU.

What was said is now water under the bridge and those recalcitrant MP's/Political Parties will get their come uppance at the next GE. Hopefully there are still enough good people around to deliver what they promised.  

 

[AlexRich]

12 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I know you won't like it but the new brexit party will be a great choice.

It will be a vote splitter that leads to an even more divided parliament ... but bear in mind you need policies other than just leave ... and Brexit is not clubbable ... as supporters tend to be extreme left and right. How do you reconcile that?

 

But if you believe that a Brexit party will be swept into power you’ll be very disappointed.

[AlexRich]

54 minutes ago, aright said:

If you want to see lies address the 80+% of MP's who endorsed Article 50 to effect our leaving the EU and the manifesto promise of the Conservative and Labour governments at the last election to take us out of the EU.

What was said is now water under the bridge and those recalcitrant MP's/Political Parties will get their come uppance at the next GE. Hopefully there are still enough good people around to deliver what they promised.  

 

Unicorns don’t exist. The only thing you can stand on is a no deal Brexit, a losing proposition that no established party will call for.

[aright]

5 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Unicorns don’t exist. The only thing you can stand on is a no deal Brexit, a losing proposition that no established party will call for.

That's a dichotomy. In spite of the MP's A50 vote and the manifesto commitments no established party has managed to muster enough votes to get us out of the EU either. I wonder why that is?

I would agree in one respect unicorns and honest politicians are fictional characters. 

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, aright said:

That's a dichotomy. In spite of the MP's A50 vote and the manifesto commitments no established party has managed to muster enough votes to get us out of the EU either. I wonder why that is?

I would agree in one respect unicorns and honest politicians are fictional characters. 

It's because it wasn't possible. The EU would never offer us a deal akin to the one promised by the leave campaign. The real pink unicorn. Those Brits with half a brain saw that and voted remain. The pink unicorn chasers voted leave.

[malagateddy]

My 2pence worth..if there is a GE..tories would have slight edge..but would have to go csp in hand to DUP snd new BREXIT PARTY[emoji6]
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It will be a vote splitter that leads to an even more divided parliament ... but bear in mind you need policies other than just leave ... and Brexit is not clubbable ... as supporters tend to be extreme left and right. How do you reconcile that?
 
But if you believe that a Brexit party will be swept into power you’ll be very disappointed.

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[AlexRich]

24 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

My 2pence worth..if there is a GE..tories would have slight edge..but would have to go csp in hand to DUP snd new BREXIT PARTY
.

 

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All a new Brexit party will do is lower the number of Tory MP's, not because they'll win, but because they will help other parties get over the line. Exactly why Cameron attempted to quell UKIP for a generation by offering a referendum.

 

I could see a Labour, SNP and Liberal coalition with the condition that any Brexit deal is subject to a referendum against a remain option. And I believe that Brexit is then dead in the water. 

 

[aright]

40 minutes ago, Spidey said:

It's because it wasn't possible. The EU would never offer us a deal akin to the one promised by the leave campaign. The real pink unicorn. Those Brits with half a brain saw that and voted remain. The pink unicorn chasers voted leave.

I don't recall any significant movement saying it wasn't possible at the time and some people regard hindsight as foresight and you might well be right......it wasn't possible, but in my case I wasn't voting for a deal just a straight forward "leave" and since you feel I have less than half a brain there seems no point in developing my post leave ambitions. 

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, aright said:

I don't recall any significant movement saying it wasn't possible at the time and some people regard hindsight as foresight and you might well be right......it wasn't possible, but in my case I wasn't voting for a deal just a straight forward "leave" and since you feel I have less than half a brain there seems no point in developing my post leave ambitions. 

Well you obviously didn't listen to me pre referendum. You, like 17 million others, probably had Brexit fever and filtered out anything that went against your pink unicorn dream.

 

If, as you seem to indicate, you would be satisfied with a no deal Brexit then you are correct, there is no point in developing your post Brexit ambitions (pink unicorn dreams) as you will clearly have your Brexit filters switched on when the worlds leading economists speak and would prefer to listen to Numpty Nigel.

[aright]

5 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Well you obviously didn't listen to me pre referendum. You, like 17 million others, probably had Brexit fever and filtered out anything that went against your pink unicorn dream.

 

If, as you seem to indicate, you would be satisfied with a no deal Brexit then you are correct, there is no point in developing your post Brexit ambitions (pink unicorn dreams) as you will clearly have your Brexit filters switched on when the worlds leading economists speak and would prefer to listen to Numpty Nigel.

Why would I listen to you? I did use the word significant.

[aright]

I found this comment on Mrs May's deal in todays paper. For those who approve the deal it makes an interesting read.

 

May's deal isn't brexit end of.

Here are just a FEW reasons why

 

The UK is shut out of all EU networks and databases for security – yet no such provision exists to shut the EU out of yours. (Article 8).

The UK is bound by EU rules on procurement rules – which effectively forbids you from seeking better deals elsewhere. (Articles 75 to 78)

The UK will be tied to EU foreign policy, “bound by the obligations stemming from the international agreements concluded by the Union” but unable to influence such decisions. (Article 124)

The ECJ is your highest court (Art. 86).

The UK will remain under the jurisdiction of the ECJ in certain areas until EIGHT years after the end of the transition period. (Article 158).

The UK will still be bound by any future changes to EU law in which it will have no say, not to mention having to comply with current law. (Article 6(2))

Any disputes under the Agreement will be decided by EU law only – perhaps the most dangerous provision of all. (Article 168)

Arbitration will be governed by the existing procedural rules of the EU– this is not arbitration as you would commonly understand it (i.e. between two independent parties). (Article 174).

You give up all rights to any data the EU made with your money (Art. 103)

The EU decide capital projects the UK is liable for (Art. 144)

The UK is bound by EU state aid laws until future agreement – even in the event of an agreement, this must wait four years to be valid. (Article 93)

Any powers the UK parliament might have had to mitigate EU law are officially removed. (Article 128)

The UK will be liable for future EU lending. (Article143)

The UK will remain liable for capital projects approved by the European Investment Bank. (Article 150).

The UK will remain a ‘party’ for the European Development Fund. (Articles 152-154)

The UK will remain bound to the European Union Emergency Trust Fund – which deals with irregular migration (i.e. refugees) and displaced persons heading to Europe. (Article 155)

AND THE EU CONTINUES TO CALCULATE HOW MUCH MONEY THE UK SHOULD PAY IT

 

And, of course, the UK will agree to pay £39bn to receive all of these ‘privileges’.

You may never be allowed to leave the 'transition' phase. It will depend on the good will of the EU.

Do you remember when Mr Blair returned part of its rebate in return for an EU promise to reform CAP? The EU did not keep its promise.

 

[aright]

Patriots should vote down Theresa May’s deal – it is the worst for the country of all the alternatives

 

The deal does not deliver Brexit except in name. Not only does in not deliver Brexit, it also makes it impossible for a future Prime Minister to deliver a real Brexit as well, for many years to come or indefinitely. The momentary relief from some Leave supporters at nominally leaving the EU is sure to turn to anger, disillusionment and blame when it becomes clearer and clearer that Brexit has not been delivered, and that the Conservative Party in particular – including the Brexiteers – has failed to deliver real Brexit and has delivered a locked-in fake Brexit instead.

 

Lawyers for Britain is a group of lawyers, legal academics, retired judges and constitutional specialists.

We have come together to support the British people’s decision to leave the European Union and take back control of our laws, our courts, our money and our borders.

 

https://lawyersforbritain.org/patriots-should-vote-down-theresa-mays-deal-it-is-the-worst-for-the-country-of-all-the-alternatives

[AlexRich]

Yep, keep voting down the deal. Then we can have a general election where the Tories will lose seats, and be ousted by a Labour and SNP coalition ... followed by a second referendum ... followed by no Brexit ... no Brexit ever, because time is not your friend.

 

Yep, the Spartans of the ERG snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. History lesson ... the Spartans lost, whatever happened to Sparta?

 

As far as plans go even Baldrick would have some doubts about the soundness of that strategy.

[aright]

9 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Yep, keep voting down the deal. Then we can have a general election where the Tories will lose seats, and be ousted by a Labour and SNP coalition ... followed by a second referendum ... followed by no Brexit ... no Brexit ever, because time is not your friend.

 

Yep, the Spartans of the ERG snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. History lesson ... the Spartans lost, whatever happened to Sparta?

 

As far as plans go even Baldrick would have some doubts about the soundness of that strategy.

 

I'm a little confused. Can you clarify whether holding a vote on the exact same thing over and over again until the "correct" result is obtained is (1) perfectly reasonable and fine, or is (2) a monstrous affront to democracy and wholly unacceptable?

 

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, aright said:

 

I'm a little confused. Can you clarify whether holding a vote on the exact same thing over and over again until the "correct" result is obtained is (1) perfectly reasonable and fine, or is (2) a monstrous affront to democracy and wholly unacceptable?

 

A people's vote is the solution to this Brexit fiasco. If Theresa May can have three votes, so can the people.

[aright]

23 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

A people's vote is the solution to this Brexit fiasco. If Theresa May can have three votes, so can the people.

Calls for a people's vote come mainly from Remainers who see it as an opportunity to stop Brexit.

It's an exercise in pantomime democracy.

[talahtnut]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

A people's vote is the solution to this Brexit fiasco. If Theresa May can have three votes, so can the people.

May the farce be with you.

[AlexRich]

9 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

May the farce be with you.

It is a farce, and has been so from day one.

[AlexRich]

49 minutes ago, aright said:

Calls for a people's vote come mainly from Remainers who see it as an opportunity to stop Brexit.

It's an exercise in pantomime democracy.

And calls to not have one come from Brexiteers who spout "will of the people" in full knowledge that their will has changed. They fear that democracy that they spout about.

 

 

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

And calls to not have one come from Brexiteers who spout "will of the people" in full knowledge that their will has changed. They fear that democracy that they spout about.

 

 

There is no need for another referendum, just need to ask Alexrich what everyone thinks

[welovesundaysatspace]

On 3/30/2019 at 1:07 PM, Basil B said:

Brexit is dead...

 

It has been for a long time now, it is a decaying, maggot infested, putrefying, stinking mess.

 

please bury or cremate it now.

Of course it’s dead. You can only uphold a lie for so long. Eventually the house of cards will fold. 

 

58 minutes ago, aright said:

Calls for a people's vote come mainly from Remainers who see it as an opportunity to stop Brexit.

At least Brexiteers finally admit that a people’s vote would stop Brexit. 

 

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

There is no need for another referendum, just need to ask Alexrich what everyone thinks

There was no need for a referendum in the first place. 

[evadgib]

The so called 'peoples vote' would result in a win by a much bigger margin but it won't happen because the first one was never implemented. The best you losers can hope for is that A50 gets revoked.

(No more going round in circles please!)

[aright]

I say unashamedly I am in love with Alice Weidel.

 

"My mission will have been a success when the terms are so brutal for the British that they prefer to stay in the Union"...…………..Michel Barnier.

 

 

[sandyf]

On 3/30/2019 at 12:52 PM, malagateddy said:

Or malpractise by remain..cameron and co should be charged with gross misuse of public funds..sending basically eu propoganda to every household prior to the referendum by method of taxpayers money

 

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Brexit mentality, 2 wrongs make it right.

[malagateddy]

Okdokay..c u in court[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Brexit mentality, 2 wrongs make it right.

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[sandyf]

On 4/1/2019 at 9:05 AM, malagateddy said:

Okdokay..c u in court

 

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Didn't you realise the referendum was advisory.