Pheu Thai to unveil post-election coalition this morning

[sjaak327]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

The pro-military Palang Pracharat party, which has won 97 lower house seats, has also claimed the right to form the next government due to its lead on Pheu Thai in the popular votes.

At the end of the day, the popular vote (even assuming the counting went honest, apparently some constituencies had more counted ballots then it had registered voters) is meaningless. It is the number of seats in the lower house that counts. So the claim is incorrect. 

[SheungWan]

Apparently the PTP-led coalition have agreed to downsize the brand of watch acquired by Ministers. More Rolex than Richard Mille.

[sjaak327]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

Not totally true el. your idol is also to blame for this fiasco. 

That is a downright lie. In fact he hasn't even been in the country for about a decade now. What Eric is alluding too is 100% correct, in their effort to keep Thaksin (or better the will of the electorate) out, Meechai created a construction that can lead to only one outcome, chaos and the inability to effectively govern Thailand. In this case the blame is 100% attributed to the Junta and their lacky Meechai.

 

Thaksin never wrote his own little constitution without any mandate, the Junta did. It is also good to say that in the "approved" version of this constitution, the senators being able to vote on the PM was ONLY in case of the lower house failing to form a coalition, this has apparently been changed after the "approval".

 

Stop blaming Thaksin for something he didn't do. Blame the people that seem to have no regard whatsoever for the Thai electorate. They have been stealing Thailand from them, and are not giving it back. With this deadlock as a direct result. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by sjaak327

[SABloke]

Just now, sjaak327 said:

At the end of the day, the popular vote (even assuming the counting went honest, apparently some constituencies had more counted ballots then it had registered voters) is meaningless. It is the number of seats in the lower house that counts. So the claim is incorrect. 

Also, if they want to claim that popular votes supercedes lower house seats, then the deemocratic alliance kicks their asses. Future foward came third in the popular vote and combined with the smaller parties the coalition has more votes than the Prayuth coaltion has. So actually they do have more lower house seats and more votes in total, so the democratic alliance led by PT has every right to form a government.

[sjaak327]

9 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Apparently the PTP-led coalition have agreed to downsize the brand of watch acquired by Ministers. More Rolex than Richard Mille.

Well, apparently Prawit has enough watches for every single minister and still have an impressive number to spare ! All borrowed from a dead person apparently. 

[sjaak327]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I really find it quiet baffling, and worrying, why an apparently reasonable educated Western person would actually believe that any of the old school Thai political parties and their politicians have morals, are the slightest bit interested in real democracy and all that entails, and have any thought about serving anyone but themselves.

 

Probably by the same logic that some seem to think the likes of Hun Sen, Maduro, Mugabe, Stalin and Mao were all democratic!

I think there is ample evidence that Prayuth would fit right into the little list you posted. He is a dictator, nothing more and nothing less. A criminal that broke the law to steal Thailand from the Thai electorate. It is very worrying that an aparently reasonably educated Western person cannot see through this, and instead is trying to deflect by constantly attacking a person that hasn't even set foot on Thai soil for over a decade. 

 

After all is said and done, Thaksin might have been a crook, all the things he did, were done with a valid democratic mandate. He never staged a coup, he never abolished the constitution and replaced it with one written by himself or his allies, he never was above the law, and he never controlled the EC to make an election a total mockery. 

 

As to politicians lacking morals, that is certainly not exclusively a Thai matter, and having said that, their morals are vastly vastly superior over the morals of the people they are trying to replace (this time WITH a mandate). 

[Baerboxer]

10 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

That is a downright lie. In fact he hasn't even been in the country for about a decade now. What Eric is alluding too is 100% correct, in their effort to keep Thaksin (or better the will of the electorate) out, Meechai created a construction that can lead to only one outcome, chaos and the inability to effectively govern Thailand. In this case the blame is 100% attributed to the Junta and their lacky Meechai.

 

Thaksin never wrote his own little constitution without any mandate, the Junta did. It is also good to say that in the "approved" version of this constitution, the senators being able to vote on the PM was ONLY in case of the lower house failing to form a coalition, this has apparently been changed after the "approval".

 

Stop blaming Thaksin for something he didn't do. Blame the people that seem to have no regard whatsoever for the Thai electorate. They have been stealing Thailand from them, and are not giving it back. With this deadlock as a direct result. 

 

Whilst there are grains of truth in your diatribe regarding the writing of constitutions and the current confusing and deliberately over elaborate muddle which seems to facilitate manipulations, the comment suggesting that because Thaksin has been out of Thailand for 10 years somehow means he isn't involved is wrong. 

His control of Yingluck and her "handpicked for skills and knowledge" cabinets - all 7 of them and his insistence they fiddle a whitewash amnesty for him led to the protests which could then be exploited. His constant meddling from the side and attempts to scheme within the frameworks of this new constitution suggest he certainly doesn't think its game over.

 

Do you really think Thaksin, PTP and their cronies actually have any more regard for the Thai electorate than the current mob in control, their backers and the elites in general? Really? Had he wangled his amnesty and returned do you think he would have retired quietly with his billions or would he have been trying to emulate his eternal buddy in Cambodia by creating a family controlled political dynasty that makes it impossible to be voted out in sham elections?

 

This mess is created because you have two main factions, and several smaller ones, all trying to get their seats on the gravy train. It's the way thinks work in many developing countries in the less developed continents of Asia, Africa and South America. Some are better than others. Unfortunately all these countries also lack independent robust justice systems and corruption has become a way of life.

 

 

[roobaa01]

58 minutes ago, zydeco said:

That's the good news. The bad news is there won't be anything on the store shelves to spend it on.

yes on sheilas.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[sjaak327]

9 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Whilst there are grains of truth in your diatribe regarding the writing of constitutions and the current confusing and deliberately over elaborate muddle which seems to facilitate manipulations, the comment suggesting that because Thaksin has been out of Thailand for 10 years somehow means he isn't involved is wrong. 

His control of Yingluck and her "handpicked for skills and knowledge" cabinets - all 7 of them and his insistence they fiddle a whitewash amnesty for him led to the protests which could then be exploited. His constant meddling from the side and attempts to scheme within the frameworks of this new constitution suggest he certainly doesn't think its game over.

 

Do you really think Thaksin, PTP and their cronies actually have any more regard for the Thai electorate than the current mob in control, their backers and the elites in general? Really? Had he wangled his amnesty and returned do you think he would have retired quietly with his billions or would he have been trying to emulate his eternal buddy in Cambodia by creating a family controlled political dynasty that makes it impossible to be voted out in sham elections?

 

This mess is created because you have two main factions, and several smaller ones, all trying to get their seats on the gravy train. It's the way thinks work in many developing countries in the less developed continents of Asia, Africa and South America. Some are better than others. Unfortunately all these countries also lack independent robust justice systems and corruption has become a way of life.

 

 

Oh, it is a well known fact that Thaksin himself is running PTP, in fact, I believe their 2011 campaign made very litle secret of that fact. 

 

As to your second question, I can only go by facts, fact is Thaksin never staged a coup, so the question is a resounding Yes. All he was able to do (including proposing an amnesty) was done with a very clear mandate. I am still baffled at the amnesty problem, in fact, I believe that amnesty would have done more for reconciliation than five years of Junta rules has achieved, and whilst the target of this amnesty was most definitely Thaksin, it did benefit people on both sides of the fence. In any case, the amnesty argument falls flat, considering the "Thaksin" amnesty never actually made it, whilst the one introduced without any electoral mandate did. 

 

It is very clear that both sides are there for one reason and one reason only, to ride the gravy train. The moral side of things puts one side way ahead. Because one side is not above the law, and can be voted out at any time. Your hun sen reference is imagination, Thaksin was never in the position to toss out a constitution and replace it with one of his own. In fact, that sham election you talk about is exactly what the junta have created and enacted. Oh the irony !

Edited March 27, 2019 by sjaak327

[Baerboxer]

6 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

I think there is ample evidence that Prayuth would fit right into the little list you posted. He is a dictator, nothing more and nothing less. A criminal that broke the law to steal Thailand from the Thai electorate. It is very worrying that an aparently reasonably educated Western person cannot see through this, and instead is trying to deflect by constantly attacking a person that hasn't even set foot on Thai soil for over a decade. 

 

After all is said and done, Thaksin might have been a crook, all the things he did, were done with a valid democratic mandate. He never staged a coup, he never abolished the constitution and replaced it with one written by himself or his allies, he never was above the law, and he never controlled the EC to make an election a total mockery. 

 

As to politicians lacking morals, that is certainly not exclusively a Thai matter, and having said that, their morals are vastly vastly superior over the morals of the people they are trying to replace (this time WITH a mandate). 

 

Thaksin, and his family never went above the law, never attempted to bribe the judiciary and government officials or remove them and replace them with cronies - are you serious. 

 

He's shit-scared to come back until the statute of limitations have all run out on the serious outstanding fraud cases, like the Krungthai Bank Fraud. But that hasn't stopped him trying to rule through puppets. Or do think Yingluck was really in charge and totally independent?

 

This discussion is about Pheu Thai and its current leader - appointed by the man who hasn't been home for over 10 years! But hey, deflect it to the Junta and current caretaker PM as is usual when Shin fans defend the undefendable.

 

You preach that Thaksin and all the PTP cronies have morals - and then call out other posters for posting drivel 555! They have shown that they are simply liars and thieves. If they are your standard for acceptable morals then good luck to you!

[sjaak327]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

Thaksin, and his family never went above the law, never attempted to bribe the judiciary and government officials or remove them and replace them with cronies - are you serious. 

 

He's shit-scared to come back until the statute of limitations have all run out on the serious outstanding fraud cases, like the Krungthai Bank Fraud. But that hasn't stopped him trying to rule through puppets. Or do think Yingluck was really in charge and totally independent?

 

This discussion is about Pheu Thai and its current leader - appointed by the man who hasn't been home for over 10 years! But hey, deflect it to the Junta and current caretaker PM as is usual when Shin fans defend the undefendable.

 

You preach that Thaksin and all the PTP cronies have morals - and then call out other posters for posting drivel 555! They have shown that they are simply liars and thieves. If they are your standard for acceptable morals then good luck to you!

Being above the law or running from the law are two completely different things. The fact that both Thaksin and Yingluck have been convicted is ample proof they weren't at any time above the law. 

 

You seem to misread my post, I am not defending PTP, but I prefer a party that actually has an electoral mandate, above a party that simply grabs power by the barrel of the gun. There are other instruments to handle any corruption or abuse of power, as the various impeachements of PTP PM's have proven in the past, (with Samak's impeachement as a clear piece of evidence how the judiciary has Always been in the pockets of the other side). 

[jayboy]

6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Do you really think Thaksin, PTP and their cronies actually have any more regard for the Thai electorate than the current mob in control, their backers and the elites in general? Really? Had he wangled his amnesty and returned do you think he would have retired quietly with his billions or would he have been trying to emulate his eternal buddy in Cambodia by creating a family controlled political dynasty that makes it impossible to be voted out in sham elections?

 

 

 

 

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Yes, I do, and millions of Thais also think so.

 

Furthermore, I believe he would eventually have been voted out of office. All political parties ebb and wane, and all politicians careers eventually end in failure - with very few exceptions Thaksin did not rig the constitution and hold sham elections. Unlike the Junta he did not need to since he had both immense popularity and legitimacy.

 

Thaksin was a corrupt politician since he changed the rules to suit his business interests, but he is typical of the Sino Thai tycoon class - most of whom backed the Junta.

 

The question I always ask of the Thaksin obsessives is this. Why exactly does the ruling elite (and many in the urban middle class) regard him as an existential threat? 

[sjaak327]

Just now, jayboy said:

Yes, I do, and millions of Thais also think so.

 

Furthermore, I believe he would eventually have been voted out of office. All political parties ebb and wane, and all politicians careers eventually end in failure - with very few exceptions Thaksin did not rig the constitution and hold sham elections. Unlike the Junta he did not need to since he had both immense popularity and legitimacy.

 

Thaksin was a corrupt politician since he changed the rules to suit his business interests, but he is typical of the Sino Thai tycoon class - most of whom backed the Junta.

 

The question I always ask of the Thaksin obsessives is this. Why exactly does the ruling elite (and many in the urban middle class) regard him as an existential threat? 

That answer is pretty simple, he is a thread because his actions really hindered their gravy train. That and the fact that he made those peasants realize, they actually had a valuable political power, their sheer numbers. 

[CGW]

3 minutes ago, jayboy said:

The question I always ask of the Thaksin obsessives is this. Why exactly does the ruling elite (and many in the urban middle class) regard him as an existential threat? 

I can answer that ???? 

 

power = money, money = power  ????

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, sjaak327 said:

Oh, it is a well known fact that Thaksin himself is running PTP, in fact, I believe their 2011 campaign made very litle secret of that fact. 

 

As to your second question, I can only go by facts, fact is Thaksin never staged a coup, so the question is a resounding Yes. All he was able to do (including proposing an amnesty) was done with a very clear mandate. I am still baffled at the amnesty problem, in fact, I believe that amnesty would have done more for reconciliation than five years of Junta rules has achieved, and whilst the target of this amnesty was most definitely Thaksin, it did benefit people on both sides of the fence. In any case, the amnesty argument falls flat, considering the "Thaksin" amnesty never actually made it, whilst the one introduced without any electoral mandate did. 

 

It is very clear that both sides are there for one reason and one reason only, the ride the gravy train. The moral side of things puts one side way ahead. Because one side is not above the law, and can be voted out at any time. Your hun sen reference is imagination, Thaksin was never in the position to toss out a constitution and replace it with one of his own. In fact, that sham election you talk about is exactly what the junta have created and enacted. Oh the irony !

 

Your like a broken record. 

 

PTP polled less than half the votes in this election than 2011. Shows how the people now regard the crook and his crime family.

 

Thaksin never staged a coup because he never had the military on board. He had the police in his pocket but they weren't powerful enough to keep him in office let alone stage a coup. Even though PTP were in power they couldn't follow the correct procedures and tried to sneak and fiddle his amnesty through. The reaction from the public, not the mob who later hi-jacked it for then own reasons, but the real public disdain spoke volumes. And has probably been reflected at the ballot box.

 

PTP's trickery in lying to the people, lying to the opposition about not having a vote and then having one after the opposition went home, MP's voting for absent colleagues, the court cases, threats to judges, threats to any critics and opposition etc suggests they are no better really than others. But have never quiet managed to get the level of control and power they want. To suggest they are moral just because they won an election his sophistry.

 

Thaksin and Hun Sen are close friends. Who gave Yingluck a Cambodian passport. A Shin girl married a son of one of Hun Sen's close allies. The difference between the Junta and Thaksin is the Junta have the muscle and Thaksin doesn't. So he had to be craftier and more manipulative. And no doubt he's very good at that. But he and his cronies just can't help themselves and when elected start the scams, the lies and doing illegal things which leaves them wide open. 

 

To suggest PTP will or have changed is naive at best. Same owner, same bottle, same old vinegar wine.

 

 

[lincolnshire poacher]

6 hours ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

Surprised to see FFP hitching up to the old order.


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I would have been more surprised to see them hitch up to Pracharat. Surely it is down to Bongjaithai now, or is it ?

[sjaak327]

9 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Your like a broken record. 

 

PTP polled less than half the votes in this election than 2011. Shows how the people now regard the crook and his crime family.

 

Thaksin never staged a coup because he never had the military on board. He had the police in his pocket but they weren't powerful enough to keep him in office let alone stage a coup. Even though PTP were in power they couldn't follow the correct procedures and tried to sneak and fiddle his amnesty through. The reaction from the public, not the mob who later hi-jacked it for then own reasons, but the real public disdain spoke volumes. And has probably been reflected at the ballot box.

 

PTP's trickery in lying to the people, lying to the opposition about not having a vote and then having one after the opposition went home, MP's voting for absent colleagues, the court cases, threats to judges, threats to any critics and opposition etc suggests they are no better really than others. But have never quiet managed to get the level of control and power they want. To suggest they are moral just because they won an election his sophistry.

 

Thaksin and Hun Sen are close friends. Who gave Yingluck a Cambodian passport. A Shin girl married a son of one of Hun Sen's close allies. The difference between the Junta and Thaksin is the Junta have the muscle and Thaksin doesn't. So he had to be craftier and more manipulative. And no doubt he's very good at that. But he and his cronies just can't help themselves and when elected start the scams, the lies and doing illegal things which leaves them wide open. 

 

To suggest PTP will or have changed is naive at best. Same owner, same bottle, same old vinegar wine.

 

 

I can only go on facts, not on how I think someone thinks, or what lenghts they might go. To suggest that he didn't stage a coup because he didn't have the militairy on his side is simply something you cannot possibly sustain. The fact remains, Thaksin's only way to power was via the ballot box, and his term had to be renewed via that same ballot box. And that alone, sets him or his allies aside from Prayuth, who not only staged a coup, but also stacked the constitution in such a way that if he finally decided to hold elections, he would be able to easily regain power, without having to rely on the ballot box. Dissolving opposing parties, remap constituencies, changing the way votes are counted and 250 appointed senators, ensures this will be an easy task. 

 

Yes PTP received half of the votes (lower turnout), however since there are irregularities across the board, the vote count isn't really something we can take fully seriously. But even after all of this, he still seems to have managed to win those elections. 

 

The point you are still failing to grasp is, if the electorate votes him in, and he starts his lying, cheating and whatever else, the onus is on that electore, they got what they deserved. They didn't get what they deserved with Prayuth, they didn't have a choice. And as I already said, there are and were ample instruments to handle the lying and cheating. Staging a coup, and lying and cheating even more than Thaksin ever did, is not the way. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by sjaak327

[Baerboxer]

9 minutes ago, jayboy said:

Yes, I do, and millions of Thais also think so.

 

Furthermore, I believe he would eventually have been voted out of office. All political parties ebb and wane, and all politicians careers eventually end in failure - with very few exceptions Thaksin did not rig the constitution and hold sham elections. Unlike the Junta he did not need to since he had both immense popularity and legitimacy.

 

Thaksin was a corrupt politician since he changed the rules to suit his business interests, but he is typical of the Sino Thai tycoon class - most of whom backed the Junta.

 

The question I always ask of the Thaksin obsessives is this. Why exactly does the ruling elite (and many in the urban middle class) regard him as an existential threat? 

 

Yes and millions of Thais also think Prayut and his party will have more regard. Actually more than think Thakin and his party this time. And over 50% of those who voted for Thaksin last time didn't this time. Maybe they realized he's more "all for one" than "one for all".

 

Your question is a good one. I'd suggest that the elite wealthy see him as a threat to their control, the status quo that keeps the wealth increasing and their % share of the country's wealth increasing. The middle classes seem to be doing very nicely and also don't want anyone rocking their boat. Thaksin woke up some of the masses, the poor, the working class and some of them can see the injustices and inequality and want to change that. He made them think he was on their side when in fact he was on his own side. Sure he'd give them some crumbs, some sweetners but not make the serious social changes needed. Because really he wanted the pie for himself. Whilst the elite and middle classes see him as a threat I think many lower working classes feel betrayed by him and his family. So yes, I think he would have been voted out in time and possible been in trouble then for corruption, theft and fraud. The question is how much could he have got away with? The attempted 2.2 trillion baht loan PTP wanted and wanted to take away from parliamentary scrutiny suggests he would have squeezed Thailand dry.

[harada]

2 hours ago, crazykopite said:

Fingers crossed all will come good and the military can return to barracks and let the good people of Thailand get on with their lives 

I'm sure that most on TVF would hope that this would be the case, but I'm sure that the orders that the junta and their troops are under do not involve returning to barracks, sadly.

[sjaak327]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yes and millions of Thais also think Prayut and his party will have more regard. Actually more than think Thakin and his party this time. And over 50% of those who voted for Thaksin last time didn't this time. Maybe they realized he's more "all for one" than "one for all".

 

Your question is a good one. I'd suggest that the elite wealthy see him as a threat to their control, the status quo that keeps the wealth increasing and their % share of the country's wealth increasing. The middle classes seem to be doing very nicely and also don't want anyone rocking their boat. Thaksin woke up some of the masses, the poor, the working class and some of them can see the injustices and inequality and want to change that. He made them think he was on their side when in fact he was on his own side. Sure he'd give them some crumbs, some sweetners but not make the serious social changes needed. Because really he wanted the pie for himself. Whilst the elite and middle classes see him as a threat I think many lower working classes feel betrayed by him and his family. So yes, I think he would have been voted out in time and possible been in trouble then for corruption, theft and fraud. The question is how much could he have got away with? The attempted 2.2 trillion baht loan PTP wanted and wanted to take away from parliamentary scrutiny suggests he would have squeezed Thailand dry.

Yes he has lost support, you conveniently are forgetting that the pro militairy camp hasn't actually increased. Prayuth's party and the democrats combined didn't get significally more votes than in 2011 when the democrats where good for > 11 million votes. Furthermore one of Thaksin's parties was dissolved which accounts for PTP grabbing 0 party list seats (still baffled at how narrowly loosing serveral constitutenties, suddenly means they didn't even get a single party list vote, but I guess the EC can explain that to us with relevant proof in due time). 

 

To attribute these elections, that were heavily stacked in favour of the junta (just because they are the law) is a weak argument, it doesn't hold any water. After all the cheating, they still haven't received enough votes to actually form a majority coalition in parliament, so it is pretty safe to say, the Thai electorate has said no to Prayuth. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by sjaak327

[Baerboxer]

7 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

I can only go on facts, not on how I think someone thinks, or what lenghts they might go. To suggest that he didn't stage a coup because he didn't have the militairy on his side is simply something you cannot possibly sustain. The fact remains, Thaksin's only way to power was via the ballot box, and his term had to be renewed via that same ballot box. And that alone, sets him or his allies aside from Prayuth, who not only staged a coup, but also stacked the constitution in such a way that if he finally decided to hold elections, he would be able to easily regain power, without having to rely on the ballot box. Dissolving opposing parties, remap constituencies, changing the way votes are counted and 250 appointed senators, ensures this will be an easy task. 

 

Yes PTP received half of the votes (lower turnout), however since there are irregularities across the board, the vote count isn't really something we can take fully seriously. But even after all of this, he still seems to have managed to win those elections. 

 

The point you are still failing to grasp is, if the electorate votes him in, and he starts his lying, cheating and whatever else, the onus is on that electore, they got what they deserved. They didn't get what they deserved with Prayuth, they didn't have a choice. And as I already said, there are and were ample instruments to handle the lying and cheating. Staging a coup, and lying and cheating even more than Thaksin ever did, is not the way. 

 

At the time of the coup, people were sick of PTP. They didn't want them anymore as demonstrated by the general apathy when the non-elected red shirt UDD leaders tried to call their "bang the war drum" gathering. 

But the reasons behind the coup weren't so simple as restoring order.

 

If Thaksin had the military on his side or if they remained strictly neutral, do you think he'd have suddenly started obeying the law, respecting the rules and allow real elections and abide by the results? Look at the PTP behavior when they lost by-elections whilst in power. He would behave exactly like many other so called "men of the people" leaders around the world who cling on to power however they can, He proved this when he resigned as caretaker PM and then kicked the officially appointed replacement out and seized the job back purely on his own authority. So much for respecting process!

 

You go on "facts" that suit you and go on "theories" that suit you whilst ignoring extrapolations that don't suit.

 

Thaksin and his gang have been outmuscled again by a bigger gang.  The international community know what really goes on here and whilst making the usual expected statements generally ignore it. 

[DrTuner]

In a perfect world PTP+FFP & co would rewrite the constitution, push the military to the barracks for good and in next elections FFP would get a landslide and bring Thailand to this millenia. Odds of it happening .. How many decimals are possible after a zero?

[pornprong]

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

"Democratic Front" headed by the very undemocratic party owned by a crook!

 

About as democratic as the UDD!

 

They have no morals and have shown it time and time again!

There is probably some merit to your criticisms, only problem though is that the Junta is worse in every regard (less democratic, owned by crooks and thoroughly amoral) - don't you agree?

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Yes he has lost support, you conveniently are forgetting that the pro militairy camp hasn't actually increased. Prayuth's party and the democrats combined didn't get significally more votes than in 2011 when the democrats where good for > 11 million votes. Furthermore one of Thaksin's parties was dissolved which accounts for PTP grabbing 0 party list seats (still baffled at how narrowly loosing serveral constitutenties, suddenly means they didn't even get a single party list vote, but I guess the EC can explain that to us with relevant proof in due time). 

 

To attribute these elections, that were heavily stacked in favour of the junta (just because they are the law) is a weak argument, it doesn't hold any water. After all the cheating, they still haven't received enough votes to actually form a majority coalition in parliament, so it is pretty safe to say, the Thai electorate has said no to Prayuth. 

 

So you think this was a good result for Thaksin - you must think similar way to Jeremy Corbin. Even the BBC reported said on the BBC news what a big loss for Thaksin this time and it must be frustrating him!

 

I think the lack of party list seats for PTP is due to the cap on seats rules.

 

So many Shin fans argued that they were the "majority' party in 2011 because the most people voted for them (albeit they were the biggest minority with less than 50% of votes cast). Well most people voted for the Junta this time. That means more voters chose Prayut than a Thaksin puppet! Suck it up!

 

 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, pornprong said:

There is probably some merit to your criticisms, only problem though is that the Junta is worse in every regard (less democratic, owned by crooks and thoroughly amoral) - don't you agree?

 

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

 

Your criticisms probably have some merit but this thread is about the PTP. 

 

But good to see you agree regarding PTP!

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[pornprong]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

At the time of the coup, people were sick of PTP. They didn't want them anymore as demonstrated by the general apathy when the non-elected red shirt UDD leaders tried to call their "bang the war drum" gathering. 

But the reasons behind the coup weren't so simple as restoring order.

 

If Thaksin had the military on his side or if they remained strictly neutral, do you think he'd have suddenly started obeying the law, respecting the rules and allow real elections and abide by the results? Look at the PTP behavior when they lost by-elections whilst in power. He would behave exactly like many other so called "men of the people" leaders around the world who cling on to power however they can, He proved this when he resigned as caretaker PM and then kicked the officially appointed replacement out and seized the job back purely on his own authority. So much for respecting process!

 

You go on "facts" that suit you and go on "theories" that suit you whilst ignoring extrapolations that don't suit.

 

Thaksin and his gang have been outmuscled again by a bigger gang.  The international community know what really goes on here and whilst making the usual expected statements generally ignore it. 

Look at you, playing the lone hand, out here cheerleading the junta.

It's only a matter of time until the juntas blatant, election altering cheating is fully exposed.

It's over dude.

That's why all the other junta-huggers have disappeared.

Democracy is coming.

Your boys are backed into a corner.

Suthep and Abhisit are out of the game forever.

The next election will be freer and fairer.

If your junta couldn't win whilst cheating, you can guarantee they're going to get smashed next time round.

And then.....

All their nasty, crooked, illegal and corrupt actions will be revealed for all to see.

And you my friend are going to find yourself in the exact same boat Robblok now finds himself in.

Unable to publicly support the junta yet still stuck with a bad case of the but, but Thaksin's

LOL

 

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, BestB said:

Either some major deals have been made or things are about to get even more ugly 

Deals had been made prior to the election which was the Junta's way of staying in power by any means, after the vote this is why now Plan B is in motion by the anti junta parties.

If joining hands is the only way to keep Prayut out of retaining the PM position then lesser enemies can become allies !

 

[sjaak327]

14 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you think this was a good result for Thaksin - you must think similar way to Jeremy Corbin. Even the BBC reported said on the BBC news what a big loss for Thaksin this time and it must be frustrating him!

 

I think the lack of party list seats for PTP is due to the cap on seats rules.

 

So many Shin fans argued that they were the "majority' party in 2011 because the most people voted for them (albeit they were the biggest minority with less than 50% of votes cast). Well most people voted for the Junta this time. That means more voters chose Prayut than a Thaksin puppet! Suck it up!

 

 

 

 

I did not say that, but unlike you, I consider all the factors, not just the factors that might prove something I believe in. the facts where already known way before even a single vote was cast, it would be impossible to even receive the same amount of votes as he did in 2011, and the lower turnout is not the reason, I mentioned some of the reasons. 

 

As to your last somewhat childish, and out of place remark, even with zero party list votes, there is only one party that won these elections, and it ain't Prayuth's party, no reason to suck anything up. Despite all the attempts to gain an unfair advantage, they still didn't manage to get the most seats. This election can only be considered a major loss of face for Prayuth. 

 

All he effectively did was made the democrats inconsequential, for the rest there seems to be a majority to get rid of him. Unless of course the EC has some more tricks up it's sleeve, maybe they could ask Prawit for a caculator ?

Edited March 27, 2019 by sjaak327