Must Read Britain's May offers to quit to get her Brexit deal over the line

[AlexRich]

4 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

 Arlene for PM  at least we will never understand a word she ever says.  Come on Arlene Toora, loora, toora, loorye, aye And we can sing just like our fathers ????

The national anthem changed to “The Sash My Father Wore”?

[dick dasterdly]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

Brexiteers have two choices, not leaving or not really leaving.

And paying a lot of money for the 'privilege'......

[stephenterry]

24 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Isnt there European freedom of movement , giving all E.U member Countries the rights to go and live and work in any other E.U. Country ? 

That doesn't mean that they would be accepted. There are limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy, public health grounds and employment in the public sector.

 

UK immigration has the power to reject EU applicants. And to deport them.

[sanemax]

9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Grouse said a while ago that this is not the case, and that the brit. govt. could have applied restrictions.

 

I've no idea whether this is true or not.

As far as Im aware , there was no opt out clause , although big business welcomed an endless supply of cheap labour

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_for_workers_in_the_European_Union

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

That doesn't mean that they would be accepted. There are limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy, public health grounds and employment in the ens are free to live and work in any of the bloc's 28 member states - set to fall to 27 when the UK leaves - without the need for a visa.

public sector.

EU citizens are free to live and work in any of the bloc's 28 member states - set to fall to 27 when the UK leaves - without the need for a visa.

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EU citizens are free to live and work in any of the bloc's 28 member states - set to fall to 27 when the UK leaves - without the need for a visa.

 

3 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

immigration has the power to reject EU applicants.

From the BBC website , 

EU citizens are free to live and work in any of the bloc's 28 member states - set to fall to 27 when the UK leaves - without the need for a visa.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43960088This is known as free movement of labour, one of the EU's four freedoms along with capital, goods and services.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dick dasterdly]

5 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

That doesn't mean that they would be accepted. There are limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy, public health grounds and employment in the public sector.

 

UK immigration has the power to reject EU applicants. And to deport them.

Are you serious?

 

On the grounds of "public security, public policy, public health grounds and employment in the public sector."

 

????

[sanemax]

6 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

That doesn't mean that they would be accepted. There are limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy, public health grounds and employment in the public sector.

 

UK immigration has the power to reject EU applicants.

No, E.U Nationals have the right to go and live and work in the UK

[stephenterry]

5 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Are you serious?

 

On the grounds of "public security, public policy, public health grounds and employment in the public sector."

 

????

 

Yes. google it.

 

[dick dasterdly]

Getting back on topic - why on earth are the most obvious brexiteer MPs prepared to support the eu/may deal - just because she has said she will resign if the eu/may deal is passed?

 

I seriously hope the few genuine leave MPs will 'stick to their guns'.  It may be of no use compared to the obvious vast majority of remain MPs - but they will be supported by those in their constituencies.

[stephenterry]

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

No, E.U Nationals have the right to go and live and work in the UK

How many more times - they have the right, but UK Imm can reject them. google it.

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

How many more times - they have the right, but UK Imm can reject them. google it.

Well yes, immigration officers in every Country can refuse anyone entry , but E.U citizens still have the right to enter the UK to live & work

[SheungWan]

11 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Getting back on topic - why on earth are the most obvious brexiteer MPs prepared to support the eu/may deal - just because she has said she will resign if the eu/may deal is passed?

I seriously hope the few genuine leave MPs will 'stick to their guns'.  It may be of no use compared to the obvious vast majority of remain MPs - but they will be supported by those in their constituencies.

Waving at a departing bus.

[stephenterry]

24 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Well yes, immigration officers in every Country can refuse anyone entry , but E.U citizens still have the right to enter the UK to live & work

Put it this way. If a known EU activist on Interpol's list applies to enter the UK - whether he or she has the 'right' under freedom of movement, he or she could be rejected.

 

in other words, he or she would not have freedom of movement, in reality. So you can blab on about freedom of movement, but it's up to the UK whether or not he or she gets admitted.

 

Similarly, since 2017 UK has deported many EU citizens despite EU rules and regs. Google it. 

[superal]

40 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Members of the ruling Conservative party elect Ministers from within the Party to be Prime Minister and the other Ministers vote on who they want  , as Ferage isnt a member of the Conservative Party , he was unable to stand for election leadership

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45 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Whilst I agree, the last person the brit. govt. wanted involved in negotiations is Farage!

 

Having said that, as far as I know he didn't offer.

       First of all where is it stated that a UK Brexit negotiator has to be a tory or an elected MP ? . Up to now I have been in the same camp as Dick Dasteredly on most views but not this one , why ?    Like it or not NF was the main reason that the UK voted for Brexit cos he told it as it was and much to the anger of many of the Cameron gang and EU ministers who cringed when NF was speaking in Brussels , TV interviews or Question Time etc . He gave us factual workings and costings of being tied to the EU . The man has without doubt got the courage to stand up to the bureaucrats for the sake of the UK and he strikes fear within the EU .   Lets not forget the main reasons of the Brexit outcome which were

immigration , overburdened hospitals , housing shortages , employment on reasonable incomes and not minimum wages as carried out by eastern Europeans , plus to take back control of our country which at the moment aint gonna happen it seems .

This shameful debacle would have been done and dusted with a strong leader or negotiator on the UK side .

Finally with what seems to be the only choices I think there should be a referendum based on what is on the table now , to include a leave with no caveats . I for one would again be voting for Brexit .

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Put it this way. If a known EU activist on Interpol's list applies to enter the UK - whether he or she has the 'right' under freedom of movement, he or she could be rejected.

 

in other words, he or she would not have freedom of movement, in reality. So you can blab on about freedom of movement, but it's up to the UK whether or not he or she gets admitted.

 

Similarly, since 2017 UK has deported many EU citizens despite EU rules and regs. Google it. 

If a person is on the Interpol list , they should be arrested and sent back to the Country where they did whatever they did to get put on the Interpol list 

[stephenterry]

1 minute ago, superal said:

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       First of all where is it stated that a UK Brexit negotiator has to be a tory or an elected MP ? . Up to now I have been in the same camp as Dick Dasteredly on most views but not this one , why ?    Like it or not NF was the main reason that the UK voted for Brexit cos he told it as it was and much to the anger of many of the Cameron gang and EU ministers who cringed when NF was speaking in Brussels , TV interviews or Question Time etc . He gave us factual workings and costings of being tied to the EU . The man has without doubt got the courage to stand up to the bureaucrats for the sake of the UK and he strikes fear within the EU .   Lets not forget the main reasons of the Brexit outcome which were

immigration , overburdened hospitals , housing shortages , employment on reasonable incomes and not minimum wages as carried out by eastern Europeans , plus to take back control of our country which at the moment aint gonna happen it seems .

This shameful debacle would have been done and dusted with a strong leader or negotiator on the UK side .

Finally with what seems to be the only choices I think there should be a referendum based on what is on the table now , to include a leave with no caveats . I for one would again be voting for Brexit .

This is the main cause of most if not all of Farage's blame rhetoric. The British Government, not the EU. 

[nahkit]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Until this week Brexiteers and very specifically Rees-Mogg and the ERG were vehemently opposed to TM’s deal, it was RM told us worse than remaining.

 

TM’s deal has not changed.

 

So how does TM offering to resign make her deal more acceptable?

 

A logical explanation from any Brexit supporter welcome.

Why should any Brexit supporter have to explain the actions of TM? Are Brexit supporters responsible for her?

[stephenterry]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

If a person is on the Interpol list , they should be arrested and sent back to the Country where they did whatever they did to get put on the Interpol list 

Fine. Then you agree that not every EU citizen has freedom of movement, only the right? And that right could be nullified if UK Imm refuses entry. Which means that the UK has the power to reject immigrants from the EU, and has always done so. In other words, the UK controls immigration, not the EU. 

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, superal said:

I have to ask how the UK Brexit negotiations were planned . Was there an agreed UK strategy ? I think not , only the thoughts of TM and she did not allow her Brexit secretaries to perform their talents . If there was an inquest on the up to now events I think it would be asked as to why TM was at the helm as she was not a true leaver and therefore a conflict of interests that probably led to various concessions to the EU by her that gave the appearance of EU bully boy tactics .

Gonna get hit on this point but I have to ask why Nigel Farage was not involved in the negotiations in some capacity as he must be the most experienced candidate given his EU involvement .  

Final point , Rees Mogg yesterday stated that the TM deal was the only option to go for even though it was a bad deal but better than no deal and could be renegotiated in the next 2 years . What with TH saying that a no deal is better than a bad deal many times over , how can our politicians be trusted or believed ? They are put into government by their constituents and then decide to ignore their wishes . Which ever side you are on I think you will agree that UK bollotics is in need of a renaissance  .

This is the funniest thing I have read on TV for a while "her Brexit secretaries to perform their talents" It's David Davies and Donald Raab you are talking about for heavens sake. It would be challenging to find two more talentless, brainless, inadequates in the whole of Westminster. I do agree however that UK bollotics (Presumably a combination of bol#ocks and politics) is in need of a renaissance.

 

To find any of the options that would be supported in Parliament, it is important to remember that any agreement that allows the EU to clamp down on tax avoidance is facing an uphill battle. Mr May, JRM, and many on the Tory benches will ensure that. 

 

Farage, who hypocritically boasts his Nationalist credentials is simply acting as Putins Poodle. Where did that £8 million that Aaron Banks has hid the origin of, actually come from? Oh sorry I forgot, senior Tories are very uncomfortable with offshore accounts being investigated, might set an awful precedent.

[malagateddy]

AGREED 100%

However..t may..remoaner.
If a brexiteer had been pm..maybe just maybe farage would have been a wonderful asset re negociating team.
He must know " where the bodies are buried " re all the fraudulent corrupt bits n pieces are

I'm not talking about Farage as PM - just as the lead negotiator.
 
I'm sure they could have made an exception (even though he wasn't part of the tory party), as Farage was the most obvious person to lead negotiations to leave the eu.

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[Krataiboy]

She can run, but she can't hide. The country will never forgive her capitulation to the globalist EU and their dupes in the Remain camp. 

 

She will be remembered as Britain most cowardly and duplicitous Prime Minister since appeaser Neville Chamberlain sold his cowardly soul to another socialist outfit - which went on to swallow half the world.

 

And to think she is a vicar's daughter. . . 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

I'm not talking about Farage as PM - just as the lead negotiator.

 

I'm sure they could have made an exception (even though he wasn't part of the tory party), as Farage was the most obvious person to lead negotiations to leave the eu.

He is the most divisive person in the whole Brexit melodrama; to put such a man in charge of negotiating for the country when literally half the country despises him for being the corrupt snake oil salesman that he is, would be tantamount to giving half the country the finger. 

[sanemax]

25 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Fine. Then you agree that not every EU citizen has freedom of movement, only the right? And that right could be nullified if UK Imm refuses entry. Which means that the UK has the power to reject immigrants from the EU, and has always done so. In other words, the UK controls immigration, not the EU. 

   The E.U makes the laws and the UK abides  by them .

E.U citizens do have freedom of movement to other E.U Countries , though if they break any laws , they can be deported back to their home Country .

   U.K immigration follows the laws set by the E.U. , if the UK rejects a persons entry into the UK , it must be done  under the laws set by the E.U. 

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

That doesn't mean that they would be accepted. There are limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy, public health grounds and employment in the public sector.

 

UK immigration has the power to reject EU applicants. And to deport them.

The right to reside for more than three months is enjoyed by the following EU citizens:

1. Employed or self-employed in the host Member State and jobseekers (for a certain period of time)
2. non-working Union citizens and students or trainees who have sufficient own resources and health insurance coverage
3. Long-term residents (after a legal stay of five years)
4. Family members of those Union citizens irrespective of their nationality

 

The basic idea is that, for a period of more than three months, EU citizens should normally be able to keep themselves and their family members economically and not unduly burden the social security systems of the host Member State.

 

Hopefully some will finally stop to spread over and over again misinformations. 

 

It is annoying enormously that some have been posting the same misinformation and slogans over the past three years again amd again, even though the current legal situation has often been explained.

[AlexRich]

59 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

AGREED 100%

However..t may..remoaner.
If a brexiteer had been pm..maybe just maybe farage would have been a wonderful asset re negociating team.
He must know " where the bodies are buried " re all the fraudulent corrupt bits n pieces are

 

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The bodies are buried in Aaron Bank's Russian wife's bank garden ... ?

[tebee]

1 hour ago, nahkit said:

Why should any Brexit supporter have to explain the actions of TM? Are Brexit supporters responsible for her?

 

[mommysboy]

It's a bad deal.  It doesn't suddenly become better if she quits.

[tebee]

7 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

It's a bad deal.  It doesn't suddenly become better if she quits.

 

[tebee]

 

[rocketman777]

The two are totally unrelated,  besides the bitch should have resigned months ago, when her deal failed the first time.