SURVEY: Should the Mueller Report be made public?

[Scott]

In your opinion, which of the following options best fits how you think the Mueller report should be handled.  For the purpose of the poll, information released to the public may have national security information redacted.

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

[Samui Bodoh]

There is no question whatsoever that the report should be made public.

 

The simple fact is that there was (and still is) soooooo much smoke regarding the Trump/Russia question that a mere 'interpretation' of the report by Barr is nowhere near sufficient to quell the suspicion of misdeeds and misbehaviour. Yes, I accept that it didn't rise to the level of a criminal indictment, but that does not mean that it was right or proper or beyond reproach and/or question.

 

The only way that this issue gets put to bed (proverbially) is with the full release of the report and with public testimony and questioning of Mueller. Until that occurs, it is, and will always be, an open question and an open wound on the US political system. Trump and his supporters can whine and whinge until the cows come home, but there will never be closure until this occurs. Period.

 

The US taxpayer paid for the report; the US tax payer deserves to see the full report.

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2019 by Samui Bodoh

[lannarebirth]

I think he should release whatever the relevant law allows to be released. At the rate it is being leaked I don't think there will be anything that is not already known at the time of the report's release.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2019 by lannarebirth

[neeray]

The Attorney General is highly biased. His redacted version is sure to black out the "red meat".

The American people have the right to know what shenanigans their president and associates played. Rising to the level of criminal indictment is not all that counts.

[BobBKK]

The parts that can should be made public. Other parts which, obviously, include false accusations that the report rejects should not. We are all BORED with the false narrative of the loony libs who were recently PRAISING Mueller and Barr. Now the report does not shore up their false nonsense they hate them both.

[riclag]

No,It's a confidential report that's given to the AG It's against the "rules and regulations" for the Mueller report to be made public! You only get to see Barr's report!

If people want to know what's in Muellers report Subpoena him ,you will get yes and no responses to questions or defer to AG Barr .

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44857.pdf

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/you-may-be-disappointed-mueller-report-n971601

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

 

Edited March 31, 2019 by riclag

[TopDeadSenter]

I voted that the report should be released to the public in full. Normally these things would not be, other than brief synopsis of the content. But this case is so far removed from the normal, and the consequences will be so severe that it is best to release the full report. After that, it is time to take action against those that paid for the fake dossier, and more importantly the media outlets that ran with a fake story for 3 years with zero evidence. This was not a little oopsie we made a small error. This was howling fake news, and doubling down, and tripling down, and still people haven't come to terms that they were so misled. This should never happen again. I believe Trump will make sure of that. So for that reason the report needs to be released.

[BobBKK]

4 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I voted that the report should be released to the public in full. Normally these things would not be, other than brief synopsis of the content. But this case is so far removed from the normal, and the consequences will be so severe that it is best to release the full report. After that, it is time to take action against those that paid for the fake dossier, and more importantly the media outlets that ran with a fake story for 3 years with zero evidence. This was not a little oopsie we made a small error. This was howling fake news, and doubling down, and tripling down, and still people haven't come to terms that they were so misled. This should never happen again. I believe Trump will make sure of that. So for that reason the report needs to be released.

I voted at the AG's discretion only because I believe the loonies will make something 'out of nothing'. They can't accept they lost it's as simple as that.

I actually don't like Trump much (I'm pro-choice, pro-Palestine, pro-weed etc.) and i always saw myself on the 'Dem' side. But now I loathe the pc libs so much more. 

[riclag]

31 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

The parts that can should be made public. Other parts which, obviously, include false accusations that the report rejects should not. We are all BORED with the false narrative of the loony libs who were recently PRAISING Mueller and Barr. Now the report does not shore up their false nonsense they hate them both.

Oh,false accusations that the Dems will spin ! Mr. Barr said he will not be intimidated or manipulated by news commentators opinion, Congress or the POTUS into giving anything but what the Rules and regulations call for, HIS REPORT

 

Edited March 31, 2019 by riclag

[Thainesss]

Whatever the AG decides. 

 

But it wont matter how it’s released. Another poster above stated that “the only way this gets put to bed” is if it’s released, but this will never be put to bed. The left will find talking points from the report and media will repeat them and the left will believe them. Rinse & repeat. 

 

Nevermind that those are the same people have been calling the president and the right literal traitors for years with no evidence and were spectacularly wrong. They won’t apologize either. They’ll just shift the goalposts from Russian collusion to obstruction to taxes to finances to personal history and on and on. 

[neeray]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Yes,false accusations that the Dems will spin ! Mr. Barr said he will not be intimidated by news commentators opinion, Congress or the POTUS

 

Maybe not intimidated by the POTUS but certainly swayed.

[Tug]

Released as fully as possible protecting classified sources and techniques 

[attrayant]

45 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Other parts which, obviously, include false accusations that the report rejects should not [be made public].

 

This makes no sense.  If there are any falsehoods found, and the report certifies them as false, then why not expose them?  

[Peterw42]

There appears to be a big hole in the definition of collusion. The AG only considers it collusion if its contact with a member of the Russian government. If contact/collision was with a normal Russian citizen , its not collusion. 

Any contact by proxies, ie: not trump campaign or not Russian government is considered in the AG report as not collusion.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2019 by Peterw42

[Thainesss]

12 minutes ago, attrayant said:

This makes no sense.  If there are any falsehoods found, and the report certifies them as false, then why not expose them?  

 

You seem to be of the position that everyone involved in the review of the report by politicians & thirsty media are going to be acting in good faith, maintaining objectivity and honesty. 

 

And thats pretty naive. The top dems have an axe to grind and they have proven themselves to be rather filthy these last few years. They will, without a doubt, use anything and everything they can as a political weapon, including this report, and truth be dammed. 

[Thainesss]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

There appears to be a big hole in the definition of collusion. The AG only considers it collusion if its contact with a member of the Russian government. If contact/collision was with a normal Russian citizen , its not collusion. 

 

Thought this was pretty obvious? Its not only the AG that considers it that way. Its the actual law. You are allowed to talk to and do business with Russian people. 

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, Thainesss said:

 

You seem to be of the position that everyone involved in the review of the report by politicians & thirsty media are going to be acting in good faith, maintaining objectivity and honesty. 

 

And thats pretty naive. The top dems have an axe to grind and they have proven themselves to be rather filthy these last few years. They will, without a doubt, use anything and everything they can as a political weapon, including this report, and truth be dammed. 

Since overreaching seems to have the tendency to blow up in their faces one would think you'd welcome what you perceive as bad faith.

[pedro01]

The left are clutching at straws with this one.

 

They know full well a report of this kind is not made public. So they are using that to claim that there must be something 'hidden'. Look at the post one or two above this one

 

"There appears to be a big hole in the definition of collusion. The AG only considers it collusion if its contact with a member of the Russian government. If contact/collision was with a normal Russian citizen , its not collusion."

 

It's delusional. 

 

I think the report should be released. But it will obviously be redacted for security reasons. Sadly, the loonies on the fringe left will just use this as an excuse to call it fake.

 

I say - subpoena Muller to speak to congress too - but while you are there - also subpoena Shiff and his cohorts that have been claiming to have evidence of collusion. Did they withhold this evidence from the investigation? Or is it all hot air.

 

Release the report - grill Mueller and the people that claim collusion in congress.

[quandow]

We are living in dark times of Orwellian "doublespeak." There is NO trust among people, NO trust of governments, NO trust of any news outlets. Without the full report being released, no word of truth can be uttered. We argue back and forth on this forum, on other forums, no one listens. We just throw rocks at each other. I heard that over 70% of BOTH parties (regular voters who either volunteer or donate) are afraid of the other party. And THAT is precisely the goal of those behind the real power. Keep us confused and hating each other. So far, they're winning.

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

The left are clutching at straws with this one.

 

They know full well a report of this kind is not made public. So they are using that to claim that there must be something 'hidden'. Look at the post one or two above this one

 

"There appears to be a big hole in the definition of collusion. The AG only considers it collusion if its contact with a member of the Russian government. If contact/collision was with a normal Russian citizen , its not collusion."

 

It's delusional. 

 

I think the report should be released. But it will obviously be redacted for security reasons. Sadly, the loonies on the fringe left will just use this as an excuse to call it fake.

 

I say - subpoena Muller to speak to congress too - but while you are there - also subpoena Shiff and his cohorts that have been claiming to have evidence of collusion. Did they withhold this evidence from the investigation? Or is it all hot air.

 

Release the report - grill Mueller and the people that claim collusion in congress.

I agree, if you want to see the Mueller report, Subpoena him to testify ,make it public in front of the House and Senate Committee ! We will see a litany of responses of yes,no, and I refer you to the AG 

Edited March 31, 2019 by riclag

[Thainesss]

1 minute ago, lannarebirth said:

Since overreaching seems to have the tendency to blow up in their faces one would think you'd welcome what you perceive as bad faith.

 

I fail to see how that helps anyone. Politically or morally. 

 

And it is bad faith. Its not what "I perceive" as bad faith. This all started because of the idea of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. It is undeniable that Mueller did not find any collusion. Now the left wants the full report. Why? Politics. 

[riclag]

14 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

I fail to see how that helps anyone. Politically or morally. 

 

And it is bad faith. Its not what "I perceive" as bad faith. This all started because of the idea of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. It is undeniable that Mueller did not find any collusion. Now the left wants the full report. Why? Politics. 

 

“The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"

Edited March 31, 2019 by riclag

[Thainesss]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

"The Report did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with Russians in its election activities" 

 

This right here should net a galactic, media wide apology to both Trump, and anyone on the right that was slandered for years over this crazy nonsense. 

 

But no, they are going to double down and pull whatever they can out of that report and continue on with this stupidity. 

[Peterw42]

11 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Thought this was pretty obvious? Its not only the AG that considers it that way. Its the actual law. You are allowed to talk to and do business with Russian people. 

What if these "people doing business" are direct proxies of Russian Government and Trump campaign ? The AG summary doesn't acknowledge or show that. If that information is in the muller report.

Its "no collusion" on a technicality.

[Thainesss]

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

What if these "people doing business" are direct proxies of Russian Government and Trump campaign ? The AG summary doesn't acknowledge or show that. If that information is in the muller report.

Its "no collusion" on a technicality.

 

That would still be collusion and conspiracy and probably treason, and if Mueller would have found such a thing it would have been blown up. You think that if Mueller found conspiracy by-proxy that he wouldn't have arrested people in the Trump campaign? 

 

And regardless of what Russia did or didn't do, its all about "intent" on the Trump campaign side. 

 

Mueller did not find any intent on Trumps side to conspire or coordinate with Russia. 

[elmrfudd]

yes release it, following the rules passed by the dems in 1998/99

[Thainesss]

25 minutes ago, quandow said:

We are living in dark times of Orwellian "doublespeak." There is NO trust among people, NO trust of governments, NO trust of any news outlets. Without the full report being released, no word of truth can be uttered. We argue back and forth on this forum, on other forums, no one listens. We just throw rocks at each other. I heard that over 70% of BOTH parties (regular voters who either volunteer or donate) are afraid of the other party. And THAT is precisely the goal of those behind the real power. Keep us confused and hating each other. So far, they're winning.

 

Pretty good post but it should be noted that Im not afraid of the left. I mean what are they gonna do? Hit me with dildos & water-bongs? 

[thaicurious]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice_Office_of_Special_Counsel

"The Office of Special Counsel was an office of the United States Department of Justice established by provisions in the Ethics in Government Act that expired in 1999. The provisions were replaced by Department of Justice regulation 28 CFR Part 600, which created the successor office of special counsel. The current regulations were drafted by former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal"

 

Speaking of whom, here's Neal's vote to make Special Counsel Mueller's report public.

 

 

"Mueller spent 22 months investigating this. He didn't reach a conclusion. He laid out in his report the evidence from both sides, presumably for Congress to evaluate. And the the attorney general goes and swoops in within 48 hours and says 'I've decided there's no obstruction of justice...maybe harkening back to his (Barr's) 19-page memo last year, who knows...

 

This raises far more questions than it answers and it just underscores why we all really need to see the Mueller Report."

 

"...it is absolutely wrong to say that Mueller invited Barr or the Justice Dept to reach their own determination. That is nowhere in the letter..."

 

"...about collusion...that's a criminal standard Mueller was applying. And that's why again the report needs to come out because there may be evidence short of that very highs standard--beyond a reasonable doubt--that the American public needs to see."

 

 

[Peterw42]

We dont know what the Muller report says, we only know what the AG summary says. The AG summary says the "trump campaign" did not conspire with the "Russian Government"

Any collusion by proxies of Russian Government and proxies of trump campaign is not covered in the AG summary.

Its a no collusion verdict because of a technicality.

 

Trumps golfing buddy and Putins golfing buddy could have been colluding on a daily basis, but because these guys are not members of either trumps campaign or the Russian government they are not in the AGs summary.

 

AGs summary specifically says

 

[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

 

Whether proxies of either conspired or coordinated, is still buried in the muller report.

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2019 by Peterw42

[Thainesss]

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

We dont know what the Muller report says, we only know what the AG summery says. The AG summery says the "trump campaign" did not conspire with the "Russian Government"

 

But thats completely untrue. There are actual quotes from the actual Mueller report referenced within the AG summary. Heres 2 of them, and they are actual quotes from the literal Mueller report. Muellers own words:

 

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“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Quote

“Coordination” [is defined as an] “agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference.”

 

Note the word "tacit" in the second Mueller quote. That one word pretty much obliterates your statement (that you baselessly made up) here:

 

8 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Trumps golfing buddy and Putins golfing buddy could have been colluding on a daily basis, but because these guys are not members of either trumps campaign or the Russian government they are not in the AGs summery.

 

And heres a third Mueller quote for you:

 

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“the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference”

 

These are the undeniable pertinent facts of the report.