Put your pro eu leanings to one side for approx 90 minutes..google " brexit the movie "..then tell me exactly how many bills any eu mep can propose..put forward..propose to be debated etc

Time to learn how the EU bodies work:

- Council of ministers, in which every EU member state is represented, e.g. the minister for that subject (e.g. agriculture) or the prime ministers = leaders of governments.

- Council of directories, with at each a Commissioner representative of one of the EU member states in charge

- European parliament, with.. 75 British members.

Civil servants, appointed by the government.. yes, same as in the UK, are not voted positions.

But.. any member of the House of Lords voted for ?  Any member of the Winsor family... becoming Duke becasue of the place they are born ?
Mr Barnier, a professional negotiator for the EU, is appointed buy the 27 heads of state. Who voted for David Davis to be the British negotiator ? Only because he was the winner in the constituency  Haltemprice and Howden this amateur had to lead the Brits...  According to Bertie Ahern, Davis did not understand the implications of Brexit for Ireland's border with Northern Ireland . No wonder... 

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Then read " brussels laid bare " by Marta Andeasson

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4 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Then read " brussels laid bare " by

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Opinionated tripe. More facts from Macedonia olive farmers. She is an Argentinian, sacked by the Eu, had a grudge so joined the UK conservative party and eventually lost her seat. Just another typical loser with a chip on both shoulders.

10 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Then read " brussels laid bare " by Marta Andeasson

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Is it a Euro version of "50 Shades of Grey"?

42 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Put your pro eu leanings to one side for approx 90 minutes..google " brexit the movie "..then tell me exactly how many bills any eu mep can propose..put forward..propose to be debated etc

 

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The commission defines a workprogram according to the strategic agenda of the Council (representing elected governments), and in agreement with the EP.

They propose regulation according to this workprogram. The Council can pass or not the proposed laws, same for the EP. The EP can also propose and vote amendments to the proposed laws. What is undemocratic about it? At the national level, most laws are proposed by governments, not so often by national parliaments.

1 hour ago, superal said:

Which one is you ?

"Don't tell him, @geoffbezoz "  ????

Edited March 30, 20197 yr by evadgib

5 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Sawadee 1947

Since the 2008 financial crash..the multi national globalists and their ilk have got RICHER and RICHER
Meanwhile..middle class and working class people in the UK and other countries have became POORER.
Tax increases..cost of living up etc etc.
Can you honestly blame people for saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
I strongly suggest the above is a strong valid reason why the LEAVE vote was victorious.
As we all can see..the French..Italian and Dutch people have also had enough.
A great pity that the unelected brussels jobsworths do not listen or give a toss..cos they're alright in their own little bubble.
All they want is a United States of Europe with beaurcrats running it..unelected of course..because they know best!!!

 

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1. The UK gdp per capita is one of the highest in the EU. Then think about who is responsible for the distribution of the gdp. That's right, it's the UK government. You (ignorantly) blame the EU for a situation where the EU has no influence whatsoever. Read something about the GINI coefficents.

2. Who sets the income tax rates in the UK? Right it is not the EU, but the UK government as a sovereign state.

3. Who enables the tax loopholes for the super rich to evade taxes? That's right the government of the UK who cares for and defends their tax havens.

4. In this regard, your criticism of the EU is completely misguided.

13 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Typical biased Reuters. What an earth has this guy got to do with the Brexit march. Nothing. So Reuters continue to try and link far right people with brexiteers and show just how biased they are as a news organisation when it comes to the EU and referendum.

They are as bad as the independent and guardian newspapers.

 Yaxley-Lennon works for UKIP, so he has a lot to do with it; unfortunately.

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 Yaxley-Lennon works for UKIP, so he has a lot to do with it; unfortunately.

Actually there to make speeches from the UKIP stand.

17 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

1. The UK gdp per capita is one of the highest in the EU. Then think about who is responsible for the distribution of the gdp. That's right, it's the UK government. You (ignorantly) blame the EU for a situation where the EU has no influence whatsoever. Read something about the GINI coefficents.

2. Who sets the income tax rates in the UK? Right it is not the EU, but the UK government as a sovereign state.

3. Who enables the tax loopholes for the super rich to evade taxes? That's right the government of the UK who cares for and defends their tax havens.

4. In this regard, your criticism of the EU is completely misguided.

OK, and I sympathies with you  but please when you put an argument forward ensure the facts support your argument. In this instance your statements regarding the UK GDP being one of the highest does not support your argument so expect to be challenged. In fact the UK is in 15th place below Malta Ref. this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Edited March 30, 20197 yr by geoffbezoz

The french..dutch..and italian people are sick to their back teeth of the eu.
Macron..giving tax breaks to the rich and taxing the man/women on the street.
Tell you what..we can have this chat again after the populist parties of various eu member nations run amok in the mep elections come may

1. The UK gdp per capita is one of the highest in the EU. Then think about who is responsible for the distribution of the gdp. That's right, it's the UK government. You (ignorantly) blame the EU for a situation where the EU has no influence whatsoever. Read something about the GINI coefficents.
2. Who sets the income tax rates in the UK? Right it is not the EU, but the UK government as a sovereign state.
3. Who enables the tax loopholes for the super rich to evade taxes? That's right the government of the UK who cares for and defends their tax havens.
4. In this regard, your criticism of the EU is completely misguided.

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6 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Can you honestly blame people for saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
I strongly suggest the above is a strong valid reason why the LEAVE vote was victorious.

That is Kindergartenbehaviour. 

Grown ups would change the system but not by leaving the club and complaining about bad treatment but by raising voice and working within the different groups. 

And.... With a vote. 

We never had a better life since EU. 

I admit not everything is working properly in EU, but EU is not Brussels only but EU parliament with elected members. There jurisdiction is made! 

I would be happy with United States of Europe giving everbody the opportunity according his skills. Without borders, without different legislation or taxes. 

Better to have a prime minister called Macron or Merkel than a Stubborn old wrench. 

The parliament in Strassburg "rules" about all EU members with laws which UK has to follow.... Within or without EU..... If you want commercial connections and trades with EU members. 

You cannot be better off alone than together with 500 millions. 

Yip..sacked by the eu for not signing off what in her opinion fraudulent accounts!!!!
Have you read her book?, or are you just happy to badmouth a very educated Lady???

Opinionated tripe. More facts from Macedonia olive farmers. She is an Argentinian, sacked by the Eu, had a grudge so joined the UK conservative party and eventually lost her seat. Just another typical loser with a chip on both shoulders.

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10 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Yip..sacked by the eu for not signing off what in her opinion fraudulent accounts!!!!
Have you read her book?, or are you just happy to badmouth a very educated Lady???

 

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Didn't bad mouth her. Just stated facts that you appear to be unhappy with. Like most Brexiteers, facts most often defeat their arguments. Quite what her education levels has got to do with her displaying a grievance which she claimed were fraudulent accounts, refuted by the way by a team of internationally renowned auditors, is a poor reason for believing her. So trawled her skills to UKIP and the Conservative party and as I said lost her seat. Clearly the voters saw through her but not you. And where exactly is she now ?

Edited March 30, 20197 yr by geoffbezoz

When you say “Haven’t you been reading any of the previous posts in TVF?”
 
You are of course referring to your own posts, because there is only you that posts this hogwash on here.
 
We all heard it before, because.... you keep bleating on about it.

I’m not going to check the rest of this topic, but it’s invariably one of your Remain mates who brings Tommy to their posts. Haven’t you noticed that? You can go look if you like, but I think you were one of the earliest today.
Invariably they are regurgitating the MSM propaganda, which usually needs correcting. It may sound like bleating to you, but I’m always ready to help.
What about you? Why do you keep posting your hogwash?

Haven't a clue..by the way..which team of renowned experts are you referring to?

Didn't bad mouth her. Just stated facts that you appear to be unhappy with. Like most Brexiteers, facts most often defeat their arguments. Quite what her education levels has got to do with her displaying a grievance which she claimed were fraudulent accounts, refuted by the way by a team of internationally renowned auditors, is a poor reason for believing her. So trawled her skills to UKIP and the Conservative party and as I said lost her seat. Clearly the voters saw through her but not you. And where exactly is she now ?

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3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Haven’t you been reading any of the previous posts in TVF?
Mortgage fraud that it appears the banks didn’t even know or care about.
Contempt of court instances that nobody else was charged with, lead to his illegal imprisonment.
He is being politically persecuted because the establishment is so afraid of the potential implications.

Get over it...

he is a low life with a criminal record as long as your arm.

You keep posting crap that fools nobody but yourself (and possibly one two others).

Edited March 30, 20197 yr by Basil B

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 Yaxley-Lennon works for UKIP, so he has a lot to do with it; unfortunately.

Actually there to make speeches from the UKIP stand.

Actually a paid rabble-rouser...

14 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

The dinosaur remmnents who are still delusionally thinking the British Empire will return are in their death throes. Next week will see a vote in parliament given 2 choices I suspect.  Leave without any agreement ( already rejected previously) or hold another referendum.   Of course the mainly racist retards who still clamor that the past will return will hope that their MP votes for the former again.   However given that choice no doubt it will go the way of another referendum. After all the sick government of Teresa May kept giving themselves repeated opportunities of another vote so what's good for the goose is good for the Gander.

 

But generally the future is bright for the more sensible , socially conscious UK voter once a second referendum goes ahead, because simply put,  those racists and other loonies that voted to leave the EU pale into insignificance compared to the racists and loonies who voted for Trump and people elsewhere can  look to see exactly where it has got them !  The advantage is that the UK electorate will get another chance, this time being fully informed of the stupidity of leaving the EU, rather than the lies which were peddled back in 2016.

 

Well done geoffbezoz.

 

quote "Of course the mainly racist retards who still clamor that the past will return will hope that their MP votes for the former again."

 

Somehow I knew that you wouldn't let me down.

14 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Typical biased Reuters. What an earth has this guy got to do with the Brexit march. Nothing. So Reuters continue to try and link far right people with brexiteers and show just how biased they are as a news organisation when it comes to the EU and referendum.

They are as bad as the independent and guardian newspapers.

 

He was hosting the "Make Brexit Happen" rally and you think it "biased" to "link" him to Brexit.  Good grief.

 

And so project fear is actually project reality.....

 

...the real project fear was the leave campaign about the bogey man called the EU....

 

Cost of Brexit so far :-

 

https://costofbrexit.netlify.com/

 

63.5 Billion pounds and rising

 

a list of companys planning or have already planned to leave UK shores

 

https://www.compelo.com/companies-leaving-the-uk-after-brexit/

 

more links from brexit supporting papers:-

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1045243/Brexit-cost-how-much-has-brexit-cost-uk-june-2018-500-million-pounds-a-week

 

Barclays bank shifts 190 billion of assets to the Republic of Ireland:-

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/barclays-prepares-to-shift-e190bn-of-uk-assets-to-ireland-20190130

 

Transferwise relocates out of London :

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-fintech-transferwise-brexit/brexit-prompts-transferwise-to-move-europe-headquarter-from-uk-to-continent-idUKKBN17E1KC

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 20197 yr by tudorc

Racist retards mr or mrs geoffbezoz..already told you that we Brexiteers are nit grasses..but maybe the Mods will put you in the sin bin??

 
Well done geoffbezoz.
 
quote "Of course the mainly racist retards who still clamor that the past will return will hope that their MP votes for the former again."
 
Somehow I knew that you wouldn't let me down.

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4 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

As you said... SOME. I know the remaining 99.9%

What? All of them personally?

7 hours ago, superal said:

No more extensions as France has made it clear and will veto any further extension requests

Where did you pick that little gem up from.

17 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Where did you pick that little gem up from.

Just googled that and the nearest statement came from Macron on Wednesday as reported in the Indipendent:

Quote

France would block a delay to Brexit unless it had a “clear objective” based on a “new choice” by the British. Emmanuel Macron has said.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-article-50-extend-macron-merkel-theresa-may-france-germany-eu-talks-a8799506.html

 

Not exactly:

'No more extensions as France has made it clear and will veto any further extension requests'

Looks like more fake news...

Edited March 30, 20197 yr by Basil B

15 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Where did you pick that little gem up from.

Maybe Merkel and Macron are playing good cop, bad cop. Not that it matters, we are mince anyway.

1 hour ago, geoffbezoz said:

OK, and I sympathies with you  but please when you put an argument forward ensure the facts support your argument. In this instance your statements regarding the UK GDP being one of the highest does not support your argument so expect to be challenged. In fact the UK is in 15th place below Malta Ref. this 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

 

Depends on which source you look at.

International Monetary Fund or World Bank or United Nations.

Valid data is available for 2017.

2018 und 2019 are asterisked estimates.

But I gladly accept your criticism.

With high, I mean in the upper half of the EU. But it is good if such numbers become clear to all. By reading some postings here, you get the feeling like we are talking about Albania and poverty would be unbearable in the UK, due to the EU.

My point is, the problem is in the distribution policy of the UK government and not the EU.

1 hour ago, tudorc said:

 

And so project fear is actually project reality.....

 

...the real project fear was the leave campaign about the bogey man called the EU....

 

Cost of Brexit so far :-

 

https://costofbrexit.netlify.com/

 

63.5 Billion pounds and rising

 

a list of companys planning or have already planned to leave UK shores

 

https://www.compelo.com/companies-leaving-the-uk-after-brexit/

 

more links from brexit supporting papers:-

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1045243/Brexit-cost-how-much-has-brexit-cost-uk-june-2018-500-million-pounds-a-week

 

Barclays bank shifts 190 billion of assets to the Republic of Ireland:-

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/barclays-prepares-to-shift-e190bn-of-uk-assets-to-ireland-20190130

 

Transferwise relocates out of London :

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-fintech-transferwise-brexit/brexit-prompts-transferwise-to-move-europe-headquarter-from-uk-to-continent-idUKKBN17E1KC

 

 

 

Thx for the runing Clock.

But I think the UK's asset loss in the international currency comparison is much higher than $ 64 billion through the exchange rate. If you take the assets of a country (M2 money, real estate, life insurance, stocks) and deduct the debts, you get the net wealth of an economy in domestic currency. If you now calculate a 10% loss in value over the exchange rate, you are clearly in the 3 digit billions range.

1 hour ago, tudorc said:

Snip ....

Barclays bank shifts 190 billion of assets to the Republic of Ireland:-

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/barclays-prepares-to-shift-e190bn-of-uk-assets-to-ireland-20190130

 

190 billion.

That is a very big firecracker.

Barclays Bank manages total assets worldwide from 1,133 Billionen GBP.

That is a Shift from 17%.

Holy crap.

48 minutes ago, bomber said:

Talking about inflation

Looking at the facial expression of guy on the right, I think he has already started to deflate...