sandyf Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 hours ago, NanLaew said: Forget the 'huge areas'. This very real sense of a weakened "advantage, or control" is no more starkly illuminated than by the prevaricating, self-entitled indolence of the current generation of UK parliamentarians. Brussels and Strasbourg has been slowly emasculating the national governments of the EU member nations for decades; that's their whole raison d'être. While Tusk and Juncker wait patiently for Westminster to make up its mind, Macron lashes out as he witnesses French national pride raging against the perpetual weakening and downgrading of his nations global standing and importance. Only the likes of Ken Clarke and others who have truly 'been there, done that' seem to have any grasp of the stark realities here. It appears that the most common reason to stay being cited by Remainers is, 'If we leave the EU, I won't be able to travel around Europe as easily.' You have been around long enough to know that truncating posts to deliberately change the context is out of order. I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, that you did understand the context, didn't like it and tried to introduce your own agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Most people and leaver in particular seem to like to stay within their UK comfort bubble. If you want a more impartial view of what is happening in the UK now you need to look from outside as others see us. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/opinion/brexit-news.html Both Conservative and Labour members of Parliament keep voting down one plan after another, looking for the perfect fix, the pain-free exit from the E.U. But there is none, because you can’t fix stupid. The entire Brexit choice was presented to the public in 2016 with utterly misleading simplicity. It was sold with a pack of lies about both the size of the benefits and the ease of implementation, and it continues to be pushed by Conservative hard-liners who used to care about business but are now obsessed with restoring Britain’s “sovereignty” over any economic considerations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, david555 said: The only pattern I see is your U.K. circling in rounds . I was referring that as a member the U.K.. voted and even designed E.U. laws .Even in future your H.O.C . has a big job to make many of those become U.K. laws and I assume you can not just rubber stamp them ,U.K. ones and need to follow your legal procedures …. with at that moment chances for amendments made by different MP's … so you go be buzzy a while …. lucky we as E.u. have nothing to do whit that (hopefully …) Wishing those poor MP's strength Them poor MP's as you say are not poor in the wealth sense or in any other. They are self serving and not serving the people or we wouldn't, as you rightly mention' circling in rounds'. They do not represent their constituents (most don't). One good thing from all this, is that people can actually see the way the political system is or certainly represented by the MP's. So you have MP's who are putting amendments to prevent a democratic referendum result. These parasites should be locked up IMO and are doing a disservice to the UK people and the political system they are supposedly representing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: If you are taklking of treaties like the Lisbon, Rome and Maastricht treaty yes the people were lied to by PM's and politicians. It is justifiable to rectify a wrong. Hence 17.4 million votes in the referendum. It is a shame the other EU countries who were also lied to and didn't get a chance. I forgot some did but they either were told to vote again or ignored. Can you see the pattern. Everything you can't except is simply a lie?? 500 Million people lied to you? Poor man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, sawadee1947 said: Everything you can't except is simply a lie?? 500 Million people lied to you? Poor man. Oh dear my Gaelic isn't up to scratch. Can you say that In English please. Queens English if possible, so I can really comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: Them poor MP's Was sarcastic way meant , forgot emoji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, tebee said: obsessed with restoring Britain’s “sovereignty” over any economic considerations. oh, thank you. You can read this in many leading news papers on the continent, they are longing still for their lost empire......"make Britain great again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, sawadee1947 said: oh, thank you. You can read this in many leading news papers on the continent, they are longing still for their lost empire......"make Britain great again". It will be Eire who suffers the most from these economic considerations but like they have had for the last number of years they will continue to get handouts. But for how long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Laughing Gravy said: Oh dear my Gaelic isn't up to scratch. Can you say that In English please. Queens English if possible, so I can really comprehend. next time, sure. I will have to bend down to you though it's aching. In the meantime you have to suffer from my .....pathetic English. And.....remember...I don't have a queen. I prefer her husband's English. He's of German Origin! Heil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Laughing Gravy said: It will be Eire who suffers the most from these economic considerations but like they have had for the last number of years they will continue to get handouts. But for how long. As long there is EU.......up to United States of Europe with Angela Merkel as Chancellor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: It will be Eire who suffers the most from these economic considerations but like they have had for the last number of years they will continue to get handouts. But for how long. With you lot its always someone else who will suffer be it italy..spain..eire..germany.. yet all the predictions from anyone neutral say otherwise,your like school kids in a playground yet are supposed to be bulldogs and fighters,will you bubble your eyes out when your dream is over? I think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: next time, sure. I will have to bend down to you though it's aching. In the meantime you have to suffer from my .....pathetic English. And.....remember...I don't have a queen. I prefer her husband's English. He's of German Origin! Heil! Well you have surpassed yourself. I have better things to do and have a spat with you. Luckily my Irish cousins are a lot less 'cultchy'. Also whilst patriotic and want a united Ireland, are still intelligent to know that the EU are taking Ireland and the rest of the EU for a ride. I never said your English was pathetic, that was you. No you don't have a Queen, you have 5 EU presidents who are quite happy to shaft your countrymen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: As long there is EU.......up to United States of Europe with Angela Merkel as Chancellor? As you have said heil. I will add the Ziek. 11 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: He's of German Origin! Heil! You have inadvertently described the EU project. It is the domination of Europe by the Germans. The last time was by the Nazis this time by the EU. Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Laughing Gravy said: EU are taking Ireland and the rest of the EU for a ride. who believes this can't be intelligent. There are laws made by 27, and 27 voters. So everything is going it's democratic way. It's not for an advantage of a specific country but for the benefit of a community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Laughing Gravy said: As you have said heil. I will add the Ziek. You have inadvertently described the EU project. It is the domination of Europe by the Germans. The last time was by the Nazis this time by the EU. Congratulations. well, at that time the majority of Germans voted for a war......and lost. This time the "majority" of British people voted for leave.......and lost (but still fighting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, bomber said: With you lot its always someone else who will suffer be it italy..spain..eire..germany.. yet all the predictions from anyone neutral say otherwise,your like school kids in a playground yet are supposed to be bulldogs and fighters,will you bubble your eyes out when your dream is over? I think so I feel another bulldog picture coming on. Please don't, you are even annoying remainers, as you make them look bad. Predictions, we have heard them all before. We are also still waiting for a vast majority to happen after 3 years and after the referendum result. It is tiresome and boring. Anyway that is my quota for the week already for replying to bomber. I have surpassed my quota of two. I will reply again next week. Promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said: Well you have surpassed yourself. I have better things to do and have a spat with you. Luckily my Irish cousins are a lot less 'cultchy'. Also whilst patriotic and want a united Ireland, are still intelligent to know that the EU are taking Ireland and the rest of the EU for a ride. I never said your English was pathetic, that was you. No you don't have a Queen, you have 5 EU presidents who are quite happy to shaft your countrymen. 27 nations being taken for a ride yet none want to get off,spoonies talk to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 59 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: I feel another bulldog picture coming on. Please don't, you are even annoying remainers, as you make them look bad. Predictions, we have heard them all before. We are also still waiting for a vast majority to happen after 3 years and after the referendum result. It is tiresome and boring. Anyway that is my quota for the week already for replying to bomber. I have surpassed my quota of two. I will reply again next week. Promise. iam afraid your not intelligent enough to merit a bulldog picture,but iam temped to award you a union jack onesie though,whats your size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thairealist Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 4/2/2019 at 4:12 AM, evadgib said: He's a remainer which is why I didn't comment. Here's Mark Francois speaking after the latest ballsup ???? Mark Francois speaks very plainly and to the point, a great fellow in my eyes, but whose the other bloke standing next to him on the first video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said: Well you have surpassed yourself. I have better things to do and have a spat with you. Luckily my Irish cousins are a lot less 'cultchy'. Also whilst patriotic and want a united Ireland, are still intelligent to know that the EU are taking Ireland and the rest of the EU for a ride. I never said your English was pathetic, that was you. No you don't have a Queen, you have 5 EU presidents who are quite happy to shaft your countrymen. luckily 90% of eire folks (a figure i read recently) want to remain in the EU,its seems your cultchy cousins will have a long wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: A sensible response is all that was required. I got a stupid one which really confirms what I stated. You are not from the UK. So once again what gives you the right to tell 17.4 million people they are wrong. That is the third time I have asked. if your English language skills were up to scratch and I don't mean just the poor spelling, as it isn't allowed as a criticism on here. You would have been able to work out when someone is asking you are you from the UK and what nationality you are. I already know but was waiting for some honesty. I'm from the UK The 17.4 were wrong Massively wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Thairealist said: Treacherouse May is useing every available excuse possible, to not implement the people’s decision. She’s an out and out remainer, from well before the people’s referendum actually took place. Why can't brexiters learn that Brexit is a crap idea? The whole world sees this We are now a laughing stock! I'm going to get Brexiter dummies made up ready to stick in coach windows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 3 hours ago, malagateddy said: Most of them at the brussels subsidy junkie atm machine!! Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app You will be there soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Only your opinion I'm from the UK The 17.4 were wrong Massively wrongSent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Why..I can take the hit to sterling re exchange rate[emoji6] You will be there soonSent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: It will be Eire who suffers the most from these economic considerations but like they have had for the last number of years they will continue to get handouts. But for how long. If you look at the numbers, it looks like Ireland has overtaken the UK significantly. UK GDP (nominal) per capita 2017: 39,734 Ireland GDP (nominal) per capita 2017: 70,638 If you take the UK as your base, Ireland has a per capita income that is 77% higher. Every country has the same framework conditions in the EU. I do not understand why the UK has slipped so much. Maybe bad UK politicians and bad UK leadership in the past? How does it look today? Who should lead the UK after Brexit? Country Rank IMF[4] 2017 Rank WB[5] 2016 Albania 101 4,582 95 4,147 Austria 14 47,289 13 44,177 Belarus 88 5,760 88 4,989 Belgium 18 43,582 17 41,096 Bulgaria 73 8,064 71 7,351 Bosnia and Herzegovina 95 5,148 91 4,709 Croatia 44 13,138 56 12,091 Cyprus 28 24,976 32 23,324 Czech Republic 37 20,152 35 18,267 Denmark 9 56,444 8 53,418 Estonia 38 19,840 37 17,575 European Union - n/a - n/a Europe - - - 24,969 Finland 15 46,016 14 43,090 France 21 39,869 23 36,855 Germany 17 44,549 16 41,936 Greece 39 18,637 36 18,104 Hungary 51 15,531 51 12,665 Iceland 5 70,332 5 59,977 Ireland 4 70,638 4 61,607 Italy 25 31,984 27 26,939 Kosovo - n/a - 3,661 Latvia 50 15,547 47 14,118 Liechtenstein - n/a - - Lithuania 44 16,730 45 14,880 Luxembourg 1 105,803 1 102,831 North Macedonia 92 5,474 86 5,237 Malta 31 27,250 28 25,058 Moldova 133 2,279 132 1,900 Montenegro 77 7,647 77 6,701 Netherlands 12 48,345 12 45,295 Norway 3 74,940 3 70,813 Poland 55 13,822 53 12,372 Portugal 35 21,161 34 19,813 Romania 54 12,523 59 9,474 Russia 62 10,608 61 8,748 San Marino - n/a - - Serbia 87 5,899 84 5,348 Slovakia 42 20,508 39 16,496 Slovenia 34 23,654 32 21,305 Spain 29 28,358 24 28,523 Sweden 11 53,217 10 51,600 Switzerland 2 80,590 2 78,812 Ukraine 129 2,582 126 2,186 United Kingdom 22 39,734 18 39,899 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Please remember that any member is welcome to post. You do not have to be British to post in a Brexit thread, yo do not have to American to post in a Trump thread. You don't have to be Catholic to post in a thread about the Catholic Church. You don't even have to be a Muslim to post in the threads about Islam. Continuing to make references to members nationality as a way of discouraging them from posting is trolling and can earn you a warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, malagateddy said: Why..I can take the hit to sterling re exchange rate Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Do try and keep up I give a certain amount of leeway to Brexiters but a little effort in return would be appreciated To explain: Our contribution to the EU is calculated using a formula with many variables. Historically we have been a net contributor. It's a good thing that richer member countries pay more to help poorer countries, make them more successful and thus increase OUR target market size. You need a minute to think about that? Right now, the UK is tending downward economically; certainly behind the curve I conclude that our net contribution will fall and may go negative. Pause and think We may end up a net recipient OK now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: A sensible response is all that was required. I got a stupid one which really confirms what I stated. You are not from the UK. So once again what gives you the right to tell 17.4 million people they are wrong. That is the third time I have asked. if your English language skills were up to scratch and I don't mean just the poor spelling, as it isn't allowed as a criticism on here. You would have been able to work out when someone is asking you are you from the UK and what nationality you are. I already know but was waiting for some honesty. 3 hours ago, sawadee1947 said: Everything you can't except is simply a lie?? 500 Million people lied to you? Poor man. 3 hours ago Laughing Gravy said Oh dear my Gaelic isn't up to scratch. Can you say that In English please. Queens English if possible, so I can really comprehend. Well well Sawadee misspelt "Accept" and wrote "Except", and you picked him up on it. Precisely what you admitted was not allowed on this forum as you stated in your earlier post, above. " Hoist by his own petard" is the relevant expression here I believe. The word "Péter" (mid 16c if you like the Queens English) meant to break wind, which perfectly sums up your contribution to the discussion today. Note my bold text, and my failure to grasp the multi quote business, I'm working on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thairealist Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: I feel another bulldog picture coming on. Please don't, you are even annoying remainers, as you make them look bad. Predictions, we have heard them all before. We are also still waiting for a vast majority to happen after 3 years and after the referendum result. It is tiresome and boring. Anyway that is my quota for the week already for replying to bomber. I have surpassed my quota of two. I will reply again next week. Promise. Before the people’s referedum in 2016, the remain side kept telling us that in the event of Briexit, it would not be impossible for Brits to visit the E.U without a visa. In fact one T.V. Member mentioned that his own daughter had voted for remain on the strength of this threat. Since that date, some remainers have continued to spread this false information. Now we are informed by the E.u that this threat will not be carried out,and that British citizens will be able to visit the E.u for up to 90 days without a visa. Could this decision be credited to the on going news that many Brits are not intending to visit E.u. countries, thus damaging those countries tourist economy. UK citizens will not need to apply for a Schengen Visa like many other nationalities. On February 1, 2019, the European Council said: “EU ambassadors today agreed that, following Brexit, UK citizens coming to the Schengen area for a short stay (90 days in any 180 days) should be granted visa-free travel.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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