Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

You think that they have helped ?

Just answer the question

[vogie]

1 minute ago, StreetCowboy said:

I took the birdseed back to the shop, but he was having none of it.

Corny humour.

[Grouse]

31 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Yes, I can see the 'other 27' happily signing up for that rather prolonged exercise.

Yes, so can I

 

Reasonable people 

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

The poor(er) just see the same things in a less complex, possibly more pragmatic way.

 

"Wife: Do you know that the fiver in my purse is buying me less and less these days."

 

"Husband: Yes dear, it must be all down to that capital flight from our damaged economy thingmie I read on the internet."

Are you a misogynist also?

[Grouse]

9 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

They will at the last minute...watch for the afD stirring it up big time re german taxpayers becoming the brussels atm for the subsidy junkie eu member countries.
Also watch for the subsidy junkie countries ranting at drunkard..barnier etc to come off their high horse very soon

 

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For goodness sake, pipe down a bit. All this aggressive talk maybe fine where you come from but it bores the pants off the rest of us.

[Jip99]

24 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Just answer the question

 

 

You haven’t.

 

...and the clue was in my question.

 

I expected better cooperation....

[malagateddy]

Agressive talk..please explain yourself.

For goodness sake, pipe down a bit. All this aggressive talk maybe fine where you come from but it bores the pants off the rest of us.

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[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Are you a misogynist also?

No. Why? Do you want one?

[Jip99]

34 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Agressive talk..please explain yourself.

 

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He can’t answer questions.....

[aright]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

The poor are always fixated on cash. Flight of capital and a seriously damaged economy is way over their heads. Pathetic really.

Fixated? Way over their heads? Try explaining to the wife and children they wont be eating next week and will be homeless because flight of capital and the economy come first.

I'm starting to worry about you!

 

[FarangDoingHisThing69]

For goodness sake, pipe down a bit. All this aggressive talk maybe fine where you come from but it bores the pants off the rest of us.

Better than this kind of pseudo intellectual babble. Let the mods do the moderating.


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[sandyf]

6 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 I could have voiced my disagreement with your "50% isn't democracy" opinion

It really is time some people woke up to the fact that democracy is a methodology in governance and not a numbers game.

 

Statement by David Davis Nov 2002.

Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment. They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting. So legislation should be debated by Members of Parliament on the Floor of the House, and then put to the electorate for the voters to judge.

We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo021126/debtext/21126-17.htm

[sawadee1947]

7 hours ago, NanLaew said:

But if you ask me, for sheer size and numbers, the Australian sheep stations are far, far more impressive.

That's true and cooked they fill your stomach ????

[StreetCowboy]

12 minutes ago, sandyf said:

It really is time some people woke up to the fact that democracy is a methodology in governance and not a numbers game.

 

Statement by David Davis Nov 2002.

Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment. They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting. So legislation should be debated by Members of Parliament on the Floor of the House, and then put to the electorate for the voters to judge.

We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo021126/debtext/21126-17.htm

The referendum was never intended to bind parliament. It was intended to bind the Conservative party.

Corbyn and his party misunderstood that, and we are where we are.

i worry somewhat that if Brexit does not occur, Scotland will not get its independence, and the EU will not step in to protect us from the English civil war, but to be fair, that is not the biggest of my worries from Brexit.  Nor is it the smallest

[bomber]

3 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

Yep I agree they should ever pull the plug or leave I was back in UK two weeks ago I’ve never seen such polarisation since Thatcher and it’s I am afraid going to get worse and unfortunately potentially violent.

 

The MPs signed up to leave on the 29th and both major parties claimed to suport Brexit unfortunately to put it mildly they lied.

thatcher was great for the UK,she wouldnt stand for idiots climbing on station roofs covered in unionjacks disrupting 1000s of people's lives and she wouldnt stand for your lot polishing up their doc martins ready too smash the local town centre up when brexit is scrapped,spoons windows will of coarse be spared ????????

[malagateddy]

Maybe he's too busy going forth and multiplying??

 
 
He can’t answer questions.....

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[Grouse]

14 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

You think that they have helped ?

I think they have shown great patience and flexibility. What would you have them do!

[Grouse]

10 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

He can’t answer questions.....

I looked up your question and answered it. I did not respond earlier a statement I considered it a rhetorical question. Now, maybe you could also demonstrate some courtesy and respond to my original question.

[Grouse]

36 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Maybe he's too busy going forth and multiplying??

 

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Rudeness seems to be a Brexiter common denominator.

[Jip99]

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I think they have shown great patience and flexibility. What would you have them do!

 

 

Help more to shape a positive relationship for all sides rather than create a war of political attrition.

 

It is the future that matters most to all parties.

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Help more to shape a positive relationship for all sides rather than create a war of political attrition.

 

It is the future that matters most to all parties.

It would be interesting to revisit your response to Johnson and Farage hurling insults at EU leaders and members of the European Parliament.

[malagateddy]

Says you..I remember some of your previous comments about Brexiteers the last while back.

Rudeness seems to be a Brexiter common denominator.

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[sandyf]

All going according to plan.

 

Geoffrey Cox risked blowing apart the fragile cabinet truce over an Article 50 extension by suggesting it would be more than “just a few weeks or months” – unless Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn strike a deal.

 

The prime minister is still clinging to the hope of carrying out EU withdrawal by 22 May, but Mr Cox acknowledged that hope was fading before a crunch summit of EU leaders next Wednesday.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-delay-2020-article-50-extension-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-a8855651.html

[Jip99]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It would be interesting to revisit your response to Johnson and Farage hurling insults at EU leaders and members of the European Parliament.

 

 

I would never say it was one-sided. Farage has been in the thick of it for years and is probably justified in many of his comments (not all), Boris is most likely a self-serving opportunist.

 

I have never suffered from myopia but my perception is that the EU never wanted to make this exercise 'easy'.

[Loiner]

Rudeness seems to be a Brexiter common denominator.

Pot - Kettle?

[bannork]

Donald Tusk has saved the British from themselves, news coming in of EaU offering a 1 year extension.

[malagateddy]

Of coarse they would..they need our money..but watch for strings attached..eg..compulsary 2nd ref etc.
All Brexiteers should google Sir Patrick Moore.." Britain on the brink"..the eu tried to suppress it..SURPRISE SURPRISE

Donald Tusk has saved the British from themselves, news coming in of EaU offering a 1 year extension.

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[dick dasterdly]

16 hours ago, david555 said:

Thanks for the support ….as we had it with U.K. now ….

 

41 minutes ago, bannork said:

Donald Tusk has saved the British from themselves, news coming in of EaU offering a 1 year extension.

Suprise, suprise..... not.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I would never say it was one-sided. Farage has been in the thick of it for years and is probably justified in many of his comments (not all), Boris is most likely a self-serving opportunist.

 

I have never suffered from myopia but my perception is that the EU never wanted to make this exercise 'easy'.

A well planned negotiating strategy takes into account the probable responses of the other negotiating party.

 

But of course Brexit never had a plan.

 

It does however have a constant bleat - ‘it’s all somebody else’s fault!’

[Patriot1066]

14 hours ago, bristolboy said:

But that's not at all what the leading Brexiters said. 

The Remainers told us we would be doomed the minute we invoked article 50. Wages up (less EU cheap labour?) Ecconomy growing faster than Germany, unemployment down, national debt down, remains project fear was aparantly untrue.