iCon Group CEO tearfully vows to compensate investors

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The boomers are the reason nobody younger in their right mind wants to count on medical or SS later. That is why we are $22 trillion in debt.

I wouldn't dispute that.

[Thainesss]

9 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

The boomers are the reason nobody younger in their right mind wants to count on medical or SS later. That is why we are $22 trillion in debt.

 

Millennial ex democrat here, and I do not count on SS at all. Once I became employed enough to see the benefits vs returns, I opted out in favor of private plans. 

 

Just about the only people I care that have healthcare are the elderly and handicapped/disabled. Id happily pay a specifically tailored tax aimed at helping these people. 

Edited April 3, 2019 by Thainesss

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, Thainesss said:

 

Millennial ex democrat here, and I do not count on SS at all. Once I became employed enough to see the benefits vs returns, I opted out in favor of private plans. 

 

Just about the only people I care that have healthcare are the elderly and handicapped/disabled. 

 

Yes, me too. I am sure people who count on it would like me to be forced to pay. But more and more smarter young people are rejecting it. 

[LomSak27]

9 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

The boomers are the reason nobody younger in their right mind wants to count on medical or SS later. That is why we are $22 trillion in debt.

Nobodys counts on it because they know how much Republicans desperately want to CUT Obamacare, Social Security and Medicare. 

 

Conservatives only cry about debt when a Democrat is POTUS, never when a Republican is. The Republicans have not cared about debt since Dwight Eisenhower. It's all crocodile tears

 

 

[Thainesss]

9 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

Nobodys counts on it because they know how much Republicans desperately want to CUT Obamacare, Social Security and Medicare. 

 

Conservatives only cry about debt when a Democrat is POTUS, never when a Republican is. The Republicans have not cared about debt since Dwight Eisenhower. It's all crocodile tears

 

A good barometer of wether or not this statement is garbage is to consider the source. Its typically the left who makes this kind of commentary towards the right. 

[Cryingdick]

14 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

Nobodys counts on it because they know how much Republicans desperately want to CUT Obamacare, Social Security and Medicare. 

 

Conservatives only cry about debt when a Democrat is POTUS, never when a Republican is. The Republicans have not cared about debt since Dwight Eisenhower. It's all crocodile tears

 

 

 

All I need to know is I don't want to pay for it. The reasons for it or against it really don't matter to me.

[LomSak27]

Just now, Thainesss said:

A good barometer of wether or not this statement is garbage is to consider the source. Its typically the left who makes this kind of commentary towards the right. 

22 trillion in debt and who cares about this?? Trump and Republicans could raise taxes and pay it off in a year. They don't care

 

They only care if they can use it to cut other social spending.  Weeping crocodile tears again

[kamahele]

5 million American jobs at stake if Trump closes the legal ports of entry and over a billion dollars in trade per DAY!

[Thainesss]

9 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

22 trillion in debt

 

Who created this debt? 

[mikebike]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

He floats out his ideas, gets feedback, and adjusts when appropriate. As any great leader would. 

He floats out any idea which pops into his head and without consultation or research, tweets it out as though it is a brilliant idea, then flip-flops as the adults in the country point out the hugely negative economic and political ramifications, leaving him scrambling desperately for solid ground. Just as any tin-pot dictator would.

 

Fixed it for ya...

Edited April 3, 2019 by mikebike

[attrayant]

Trump yesterday:

 

Congress has to meet quickly and make a deal.  I could do it in 45 minutes.  We need to get rid of chain migration we need to get rid of catch and release and visa lottery and we have to do something about asylum and to be honest, we have to get rid of judges.  If we don't make a deal with Congress, the border's going to be closed - 100%.

 

One hundred percent.  That sounds like a promise to me.  Not just "floating an idea".

[Cryingdick]

I am very happy I am not dependent upon Trump or Batman. Anybody who has their life dependent upon production should be very worried.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The boomers are the reason nobody younger in their right mind wants to count on medical or SS later. That is why we are $22 trillion in debt.

No. The reason the USA is 22 trillion in debt can largely be ascribed to the massive tax cuts for the rich dating from the age of Reagan and onwards. Remember when Reagan promised that tax cuts that mostly benefited the rich  would pay for themselves? How did that work out? Then it was George W. Bush who promised tax cuts that mostly benefited the rich would pay for themselves. How did that work out? And now it's Trump who promised the same for tax cuts that mostly benefit the rich. How is that working out?. Republicans have consistently promised that tax cuts pay for themselves and when they don't, pivot to blame entitlement programs. 

Right now, the Democrats have pushed a plan to place no limits on Social Security payments for the earned income of the very wealthy. That would solve the Social Security deficit problem once and for all. I'm going to love to see how the Republicans try to oppose that one.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Thainesss said:

 

I think any moderately literate blue collar worker knows that stock market and economic positivity equates to job security and upward mobility. 

 

You're starting to sound like a Bernie Bro now and its getting rather stupid. 

You mean like when the Dow Jones Average peaked at the end of 2007? Have you learned nothing from history?

[ballpoint]

The art of the reversal.

[Cryingdick]

15 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

No. The reason the USA is 22 trillion in debt can largely be ascribed to the massive tax cuts for the rich dating from the age of Reagan and onwards. Remember when Reagan promised that tax cuts that mostly benefited the rich  would pay for themselves? How did that work out? Then it was George W. Bush who promised tax cuts that mostly benefited the rich would pay for themselves. How did that work out? And now it's Trump who promised the same for tax cuts that mostly benefit the rich. How is that working out?. Republicans have consistently promised that tax cuts pay for themselves and when they don't, pivot to blame entitlement programs. 

Right now, the Democrats have pushed a plan to place no limits on Social Security payments for the earned income of the very wealthy. That would solve the Social Security deficit problem once and for all. I'm going to love to see how the Republicans try to oppose that one.

 

The debt is social security and medical for old people.

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The debt is social security and medical for old people.

what does that even mean? Are you saying that debt is only a function of expenditures and not of income? If you decrease your revenues that doesn't count?

[mikebike]

5 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The debt is social security and medical for old people.

Right on!!

 

Nothing whatsoever to do with endless war/military spending or welfare for the rich. It is those pesky old people and their failing health that has put the USA into massive debt. I really wish we didn't have any old people... like all those countries without our crippling  debt-load.

[bristolboy]

Just now, mikebike said:

Right on!!

 

Nothing whatsoever to do with endless war/military spending or welfare for the rich. It is those pesky old people and their failing health that has put the USA into massive debt. I really wish we didn't have any old people... like all those countries without our crippling  debt-load.

I did forget about the increases in military spending. Under the Trump administration it's particularly huge and particularly bizarre since Trump says he wants to withdraw from foreign entanglements and the military costs they incur.

[Becker]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

I did forget about the increases in military spending. Under the Trump administration it's particularly huge and particularly bizarre since Trump says he wants to withdraw from foreign entanglements and the military costs they incur.

Well, it plays well to his base who mostly consist of anti-socialist socialists.

[Tug]

Back to Donald and the border fiasco I have a feeling they got Donald in a room sat him down and told him he would be effectively shutting down the us auto industry for starters we do 1.7 billion$ pr day business with Mexico Donald needs to lead not blame work with not dictate to the government and reach a compermise to get the laws changed so thease refugees won’t attempt to get asylum this way that will take leadership and comprise sadly lacking in this administration

[Cryingdick]

37 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

what does that even mean? Are you saying that debt is only a function of expenditures and not of income? If you decrease your revenues that doesn't count?

The debt is a result of the loans that are a consequence of people growing old. It is based upon old people trying to retire and increasingly my own money. Good luck with that. If you are under 50 you will know what I mean.

 

Edited April 3, 2019 by Cryingdick

[Becker]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

The debt is a result of the loans that are a consequence of people growing old. It is based upon old people trying to retire and increasingly my own money. Good luck with that. If you are under 50 you will know what I mean.

 

OK, it only makes sense if you're under 50. Gotcha!

[usviphotography]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Back to Donald and the border fiasco I have a feeling they got Donald in a room sat him down and told him he would be effectively shutting down the us auto industry for starters we do 1.7 billion$ pr day business with Mexico Donald needs to lead not blame work with not dictate to the government and reach a compermise to get the laws changed so thease refugees won’t attempt to get asylum this way that will take leadership and comprise sadly lacking in this administration

Trump is supposedly appointing an Immigration Czar- either Cuccinelli or Kobach. Both would have the problem solved in no time and this is something Trump frankly should have done two years ago. Alternatively, he could have just appointed MAGA people to his cabinet in the first place and the crisis never would have reached this point and we wouldn't need the Czar. The most annoying thing about Trump is the way he has to be bullied and cajoled in to doing what he should have done in the first place, but at least with Trump he does eventually get around to doing it. 

Edited April 3, 2019 by usviphotography

[Jingthing]

Of course he's backing off.

So what else is not news? 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

Trump is supposedly appointing an Immigration Czar- either Cuccinelli or Kobach. Both would have the problem solved in no time and this is something Trump frankly should have done two years ago. Alternatively, he could have just appointed MAGA people to his cabinet in the first place and the crisis never would have reached this point and we wouldn't need the Czar. The most annoying thing about Trump is the way he has to be bullied and cajoled in to doing what he should have done in the first place, but at least with Trump he does eventually get around to doing it. 

Yes, given Kobach's huge successes in recent years he would be perfect for the job. Shall I list them for you?

As for Cuccinelli, he's the clown who decided to go after climate scientists. Want me to tell you how that  farcical attempt ended?

[candide]

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

He floats out his ideas, gets feedback, and adjusts when appropriate. As any great leader would. 

 

When the tears subside, his detractors will realize that once again, Trump played a blinder. Now the Mexicans will now think twice about sending these constant migrant caravans up towards the border - for fear that he will indeed close the border. 

There is another possible interpretation: big gob and coward!

[farcanell]

5 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Just, like, my observations, because, you know, I am actually on the ground. The market has been on fire if you didn't know because I doubt you have any skin in the game. Best first quarter in more than a decade.

Lmao.... yes indeed, a good first quarter... he’ll, y’all very nearly made up for the losses of the previous quarter... nearly, but not quite, which I suppose means that shares have very nearly, but not quite, returned to their previous higher value. ????????

[zydeco]

Another threat. Another climb down. God save us from this totally inadequate man. By the time he and his kids are through looting the White House, we'll be lucky if the silverware and china is left in place.

[zydeco]

6 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Polls say a lot of things. I can tell you very clearly that the blue collar workers of Pennsylvania are not interested in what the dems are selling. Trump doesn't need additional votes just to hold serve.

This is what happens when you betray the people who voted for you and concentrate on tax cuts for Wall Street touts, giving the Chamber of Commerce everything it demands, and backing off China.  https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/436428-poll-biden-sanders-lead-trump-in-pennsylvania-by-10-points