Brexiteer Lords try to thwart law forcing May to request EU exit delay

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Brexiteer Lords try to thwart law forcing May to request EU exit delay

By William James and Kylie MacLellan

 

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May speaks in the Parliament in London, Britain April 3, 2019, in this screen grab taken from video. Reuters TV via REUTERS

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Pro-Brexit lawmakers in Britain's upper house of parliament tried on Thursday to thwart the approval of a new law that would force Prime Minister Theresa May to seek a delay to prevent a disorderly EU exit on April 12 without a deal.

 

May has already committed to seek a short extension to Britain's European Union membership and work with the opposition Labour Party to come up with a different exit plan, in a last-ditch attempt to keep control after her own Brexit deal was rejected three times by the lower House of parliament.

 

But lawmakers have used an unprecedented procedural gambit to pass legislation without the approval of government, seeking additional legal guarantees that May will not give up and lead Britain out of the bloc without a deal.

 

The bill passed through the lower chamber, the House of Commons, by a single vote late on Wednesday and is now in the House of Lords, an unelected body whose role is to refine and scrutinise legislation before it is approved.

 

The process of passing the bill through the Lords got off to a rocky start on Thursday when some members of the debating chamber - also known as peers - launched a series of attempts to delay or even halt the process.

 

"All that lies between us and tyranny is that we respect the conventions of both Houses," said Michael Forsyth, a pro-Brexit Conservative member of the Lords, accusing Labour Party spokeswoman Dianne Hayter of setting a dangerous precedent to try and block Brexit.

 

"CONSTITUTION IN DANGER"

By long-standing convention, the government usually has sole control of the agenda in parliament but this was overturned last month with the help of a rebellion in May's Conservative Party.

 

"She is in danger of tearing up our constitution in order to make a narrow party political point," Forsyth said

 

Thursday's debate began with long speeches on the correct procedure for the legislation and a series of votes, all of which ended in heavy defeat for the filibusterers but ate up time.

 

"What we are seeing today ... is a small group of unelected peers in an unelected house, firstly trying to stop us considering the bill today and then trying to talk it out and no doubt seeking to go through the night to halt the Commons' desire to prevent a no deal," Hayter said.

 

The stalling tactic proved partially successful. Plans to complete all stages of the process in a single day had to be abandoned, but a source close to negotiations on the timetable for the bill said they expected it to be finalised on Monday.

 

The government does not have a majority in the Lords, and the body is seen as largely pro-EU. It is expected to vote in favour of the bill, hence its opponents' decision to use procedural means to block it.

 

The law is being rushed through a legislative process which usually takes months, to try and make sure it comes into effect before May attends a summit of EU leaders on April 10.

 

If successful, it would require May to get parliament's approval for the detail of any delay and allows lawmakers to propose a different length of extension. The government has argued that it is an unnecessary measure which could have unintended consequences.

 

Under the revised timetable, the legislation could complete its final stages late on Monday, which would then require May to come to parliament on Tuesday and set out for what length of delay she is planning to ask the EU.

 

(Reporting by William James and Kylie MacLellan; Editing by Stephen Addison and John Stonestreet)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-04-05

[FarangDoingHisThing69]

There is only one good solution to this. The monarchy must dissolve this incompetent corrupt and E.U. controlled government, and call elections after April 12th. Stop allowing yourselves to be held hostage to an organization you subsidize. This is a travesty.


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[SheungWan]

50 minutes ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

There is only one good solution to this. The monarchy must dissolve this incompetent corrupt and E.U. controlled government, and call elections after April 12th. Stop allowing yourselves to be held hostage to an organization you subsidize. This is a travesty.

Hello! Royal Prerogative is back from the Hard Brexiteer Team! We missed you!

[Loiner]

There are far too many political plants and Remainers in the Lords for them to reject this Commons chicanery.
It looks like May will ask for a long extension today anyway. But the few right minded Lords should use every possible means to prevent the Remainers blocking a No Deal exit.


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[flossie35]

17 minutes ago, Loiner said:

There are far too many political plants and Remainers in the Lords for them to reject this Commons chicanery.
It looks like May will ask for a long extension today anyway. But the few right minded Lords should use every possible means to prevent the Remainers blocking a No Deal exit.


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No deal would be a disaster; it has to be stopped. Ignore the lemmings!

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

There is only one good solution to this. The monarchy must dissolve this incompetent corrupt and E.U. controlled government, and call elections after April 12th. Stop allowing yourselves to be held hostage to an organization you subsidize. This is a travesty.


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So we’ve gone from Theresa May’s attempt at governing by executive order, an attempt by TM to award herself Henry VIii powers and now we have calls for the Monarch to intervene.

 

All because Brexit failed to plan, planned to fail.

 

 

[damascase]

3 hours ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

There is only one good solution to this. The monarchy must dissolve this incompetent corrupt and E.U. controlled government, and call elections after April 12th. Stop allowing yourselves to be held hostage to an organization you subsidize. This is a travesty.


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Ahhh......another one that either hasn’t a clue about the EU or deliberately spreads nonsense about it.

[Loiner]

So we’ve gone from Theresa May’s attempt at governing by executive order, an attempt by TM to award herself Henry VIii powers and now we have calls for the Monarch to intervene.
 
All because Brexit failed to plan, planned to fail.

No, we’ve gone from the elected government controlling the commons to a bunch of backbenchers seizing control of the parliamentary timetable.

It’s all because the lady loves Remain..,

[malagateddy]

Would you deny the words of the late Jean Monnet.
Would you deny that the eu want sovereign nations to surrender their sovereignty to them.
Would you deny that the eu's ultimate aim is a united states of europe ran by unelected by the people jobsworths?

Ahhh......another one that either hasn’t a clue about the EU or deliberately spreads nonsense about it.

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[sammieuk1]

All that lies between us and tyranny...…….

 

So that's why we are still in the closet there's a tranny in the house????

[Thingamabob]

People should understand that there is no escape from the EU. Just ask the Danes, the French and the Irish, to name but a few. 

[malagateddy]

Well said Sir

People should understand that there is no escape from the EU. Just ask the Danes, the French and the Irish, to name but a few. 

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[Nigel Garvie]

4 hours ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

There is only one good solution to this. The monarchy must dissolve this incompetent corrupt and E.U. controlled government, and call elections after April 12th. Stop allowing yourselves to be held hostage to an organization you subsidize. This is a travesty.


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If the EU actually did control our government then how could the monarchy dissolve it? Maybe the EU is controlling the monarchy as well. Possibly the Illuminati and George Soros are involved also. Doctors can prescribe anti-paranoia pills for this sort of problem.

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

People should understand that there is no escape from the EU. Just ask the Danes, the French and the Irish, to name but a few. 

I hear you Thingamabob but I hope you are not correct. English people are made of sterner stuff than most. And although we may not be as outwardly disruptive as the French we will remember and we will have our day.

 

Some really good things could come out of the Brexit saga, House of Lords dissolved, transparent BoEng, BBC loses right to licence fee, break up of the two major parties (dare I say PR), and the reunification of Ireland perhaps. Scotland might want their freedom and the UK's fishing industry rejuvenated.

[malagateddy]

Do you remember " project fear " before the referrndum??
Obama..soros ..christine legarge the french criminal of imf/world bank fame etc etc all giving it DOOM AND GLOOM ..trying to influence the British voter.?????

If the EU actually did control our government then how could the monarchy dissolve it? Maybe the EU is controlling the monarchy as well. Possibly the Illuminati and George Soros are involved also. Doctors can prescribe anti-paranoia pills for this sort of problem.

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[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I hear you Thingamabob but I hope you are not correct. English people are made of sterner stuff than most. And although we may not be as outwardly disruptive as the French we will remember and we will have our day.

 

Some really good things could come out of the Brexit saga, House of Lords dissolved, transparent BoEng, BBC loses right to licence fee, break up of the two major parties (dare I say PR), and the reunification of Ireland perhaps. Scotland might want their freedom and the UK's fishing industry rejuvenated.

I pretty much agree with all of the above.

[owl sees all]

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I pretty much agree with all of the above.

I think the Scottish bit is most problematic. If they had another referendum (assuming the UK actually leaves the EU) I would hope that the Scots would vote for independence and not independence and in the EU.

 

But, iMO, the biggest problem that the Scots would face is that of inequality, - strange saying that whilst living in the most unequal country in the world - but over 70% of Scotland is owned by a handful of people; and they are not all Scots. 

 

Poor, are poor, are poor, the world over and although i'm all for Scotland becoming in charge of their own affairs, I'd like to better understand how the future powers-that-be would tackle poverty and inequality.

[evadgib]

...I couldn't help noticing that the Brexit vote was divided by four separate candidates (UKIP, SDP, For Britain, Democrats & Veterans) fighting for a seat in yesterday's by-election. All factions will need to unite if they're to have any chance under FPTP in a General Election & they'll need to ensure there's daylight between them & the so called far right.

Edited April 5, 2019 by evadgib

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

No, we’ve gone from the elected government controlling the commons to a bunch of backbenchers seizing control of the parliamentary timetable.
It’s all because the lady loves Remain..,

Any photos yet from the Hard Brexiteer March 29 Leave Party?

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

I hear you Thingamabob but I hope you are not correct. English people are made of sterner stuff than most. And although we may not be as outwardly disruptive as the French we will remember and we will have our day.

Some really good things could come out of the Brexit saga, House of Lords dissolved, transparent BoEng, BBC loses right to licence fee, break up of the two major parties (dare I say PR), and the reunification of Ireland perhaps. Scotland might want their freedom and the UK's fishing industry rejuvenated.

Brexiteer "sterner stuff" fantasies from comic book schooldays.

 

Edited April 5, 2019 by SheungWan

[malagateddy]

For minimum of 15 years..Scotland would be a " GREECE WITHOUT THE SUN".
taxes would have to scream up thro the roof..remember Scottish people are the most heavily taxed in the UK just now.
As taxes scream up..businesses would shut down..more unemployment..increase in crime..health service, police, fire and rescue, social work, education etc etc funding would be cut.
JUST LIKE GREECE.

I think the Scottish bit is most problematic. If they had another referendum (assuming the UK actually leaves the EU) I would hope that the Scots would vote for independence and not independence and in the EU.
 
But, iMO, the biggest problem that the Scots would face is that of inequality, - strange saying that whilst living in the most unequal country in the world - but over 70% of Scotland is owned by a handful of people; and they are not all Scots. 
 
Poor, are poor, are poor, the world over and although i'm all for Scotland becoming in charge of their own affairs, I'd like to better understand how the future powers-that-be would tackle poverty and inequality.

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[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

People should understand that there is no escape from the EU. Just ask the Danes, the French and the Irish, to name but a few. 

 

2 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Well said Sir

 

Certainly no escape from asinine comments from the Hard Brexiteers.

[Jip99]

11 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

Certainly no escape from asinine comments from the Hard Brexiteers.

 

 

Still throwing sticks and stones, with nothing constructive to contribute................. a classic remoaner...

 

 

pathetic!

[tomacht8]

6 hours ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

There is only one good solution to this. The monarchy must dissolve this incompetent corrupt and E.U. controlled government, and call elections after April 12th. Stop allowing yourselves to be held hostage to an organization you subsidize. This is a travesty.


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If the EU really had control over the UK, the UK would not be up to its neck in chaos and uncertainty now.

[evadgib]

28 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

Certainly no escape from asinine comments from the Hard Brexiteers.

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Edited April 5, 2019 by evadgib

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, tomacht8 said:

If the EU really had control over the UK, the UK would not be up to its neck in chaos and uncertainty now.

 

 

Your comments are valid for government/parliament; you cannot speak for the rest of the UK.

 

It is the EU's control that caused Cameron to fail to get the necessary changes that would have made a referendum unnecessary.

[dick dasterdly]

4 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

If the EU really had control over the UK, the UK would not be up to its neck in chaos and uncertainty now.

Of course the eu doesn't have 'control', that's part of the plan for the future.

 

We have chaos and uncertainty as the eu and may have conspired to present the worst 'deal' possible, hoping they can convince the electorate that it's leave........

[dick dasterdly]

6 minutes ago, evadgib said:

4 posts (on this page) with your 100% record of continual put-downs.

Goodbye prat! ????

And I thought I was in a bad mood yesterday ????!

[tomacht8]

3 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Your comments are valid for government/parliament; you cannot speak for the rest of the UK.

 

It is the EU's control that caused Cameron to fail to get the necessary changes that would have made a referendum unnecessary.

The rest of the UK?
The UK population is divided, angry and disunited.Incited by the gossip press, demagogues and propagandists.
Unable to find a compromise between the two fractious camps.

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

No, we’ve gone from the elected government controlling the commons to a bunch of backbenchers seizing control of the parliamentary timetable.

It’s all because the lady loves Remain..,

 

Who is the sovereign body in the British constitution - the government or parliament?

 

Clue: it's not what May thinks it ought to be!