Compromise? Time ticking down for Britain to come to Brexit agreement

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Compromise? Time ticking down for Britain to come to Brexit agreement

By Elizabeth Piper

 

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May arrives at church, as Brexit turmoil continues, near High Wycombe, Britain April 7, 2019. REUTERS/Simon Dawson

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's government held out the possibility of compromise with the opposition Labour Party on Sunday to try to win support in parliament for leaving the European Union with a deal, just days before the latest Brexit date.

 

Prime Minister Theresa May, weaker than ever after her Brexit deal was rejected by parliament three times, made another appeal to the public to explain why she turned to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn after giving up on winning over eurosceptics in her Conservative Party, whose opposition has hardened.

 

With Britain's departure now set for April 12, May's government is running out of time to get a deal through a divided parliament, and must come up with a new plan to secure another delay from EU leaders at a summit on Wednesday.

 

Britain's biggest shift in foreign and trade policy in more than 40 years is mired in uncertainty, with ministers saying Brexit may never happen, businesses worried the country could leave without a deal, and others just wanting to reverse it.

 

In a last-ditch bid to get her deal through parliament, May opened talks with Corbyn last week to try to strike a deal on Britain's future ties with the EU in exchange for his support for her divorce deal, the Withdrawal Agreement.

 

So far those talks have failed to yield any kind of accord, with Labour policy chiefs saying the government has yet to move from its "red lines", above all over a customs union, which sets tariffs for goods imported into the EU.

 

"Specifically provided we are leaving the European Union then it is important that we compromise, that's what this is about and it is through gritted teeth," said Andrea Leadsom, the Brexit-supporting Leader of the House of Commons, parliament's lower house.

 

"But nevertheless the most important thing is to actually leave the EU," she told the BBC's Andrew Marr show, adding that May's proposal for a customs arrangement after Brexit was not too far from Labour's desire for a customs union.

 

Germany's finance minister, Olaf Scholz, called on the two sides to find what he called "a sensible agreement to end the paralysis in British politics and to avoid a disorderly Brexit".

 

NO REAL CHANGE

But, while describing the talks so far as positive, Labour's business policy chief Rebecca Long-Bailey said there had as yet been no "real changes" to the deal.

 

"I think both sides are committed to working quite rigorously to compromise as much as possible so that we can provide that compromise Brexit deal that I think parliament desperately needs at the moment," she told the BBC.

 

Shami Chakrabarti, Labour's legal policy chief, was more blunt. "It's hard to imagine that we are going to make real progress now without either a general election or a second referendum on any deal she can get over the line in parliament," she told Sky News.

 

May has opposed remaining in the EU's customs union saying it would mean that Britain could not secure free trade deals with other countries -- a key plank to her Brexit strategy that saw her create a new government department for trade.

 

"I think, the government thinks, we absolutely must leave the European Union ... that means we need to get a deal over the line," May said in a new video, explaining why she was now pursuing cross-party talks.

 

Britain voted by 52 to 48 percent in 2016 to leave the EU, and parliament, May's cabinet and the country at large remain deeply polarised over the terms of Brexit and even whether to depart at all.

 

Despite the lack of convergence between the two major parties over a deal, there was one thing they did agree on -- time is running out for Brexit to be secured.

 

May, who has been verbally mauled by members of her own party for turning to Labour, herself warned Brexit-supporting lawmakers that "the longer this takes, the greater the risk of the UK never leaving at all".

 

In an attempt to avoid falling out of the EU without a deal, she again heads to Brussels this week to ask for a further delay until June 30 -- something EU leaders have said requires her setting out an alternative path to getting her deal approved.

 

Any extension would require unanimous approval from the other EU countries, all weary of Britain's Brexit indecision, and could come with conditions. EU summit chair Donald Tusk plans to propose an extension of a year, which could be shortened if Britain's parliament eventually ratifies the deal.

 

But even the threat of losing Brexit has so far failed to change the minds of hardline eurosceptic Conservative lawmakers, and some are now suggesting that Britain make the EU's life a misery if Britain is forced to accept a long delay.

 

"If we are forced to remain in we must be the most difficult member possible," Jacob Rees-Mogg, leader of the European Research Group, a Conservative eurosceptic group, told Sky News.

 

"When the multi-annual financial framework comes forward, if we're still in, this is our one in seven year opportunity to veto the budget and to be really very difficult."

 

(Reporting by Elizabeth Piper and Raissa Kasolowsky in London, Madeline Chambers in Berlin; Editing by Mark Heinrich and Catherine Evans)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-04-08

[Samui Bodoh]

I have said it before and will say it again;

 

Never before have I seen a country so utterly determined to shoot itself in the crotch

 

 

 

[malagateddy]

As a British Brexiteer..I totally agree with you...imagine having a remain supporter as pm..and having remain supporting uncivil servants in the negociating team.
Sad to say, it's time for the white coats squad to take t may to the funny farm imo


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[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

As a British Brexiteer..I totally agree with you...imagine having a remain supporter as pm..and having remain supporting uncivil servants in the negociating team.
Sad to say, it's time for the white coats squad to take t may to the funny farm imo


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Brexit failures, always somebody else’s fault.

[sammieuk1]

One wheel on my wagon but I'm still rolling along The Brexiteers are chasing me Arrows fly Right on by But I'm singing a happy song! I'm singing a higgity, haggity, hoggety, high pioneers they never say die £££ bye bye????

[welovesundaysatspace]

And there’s more to come: 

 

“The opening terms of the no-deal talks have already been revealed by Brussels. They will be just like the terms set nearly three years ago. Money, citizens’ rights and the Irish Border will be first up, and nothing else will be discussed until these are dealt with. (...) The Swiss know what permanent negotiations with the EU feel like. (...) the EU is a patient, skilled and brutal negotiator. The only advice of the Swiss to the British about dealing with the EU on a bilateral basis is ‘don’t’.”

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/uk-faces-prospect-of-endless-negotiations-with-the-eu-post-brexit-1.3852306?mode=amp

 

Brexiteers have maneuvered their great country into a big mess. Sadly there doesn’t seem to be anyone who’s willing to stop the insanity. Next GE will be interesting with rejoin- or remain-parties/manifestos.

Edited April 8, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[Loiner]

Obviously it’s time for an EU compromise. Apart from rabid Remainers, who else would ever sign a surrender document like the May/Merkel one? The EU will be in trade chaos if the don’t make a sensible deal with the UK, and political chaos if they have Nigel and UKIP added to their own eurosceptics.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1110335/Brexit-news-UK-EU-no-deal-warning-Germany-France-Ireland-latest
No-deal Brexit DISASTER: The 5 EU countries facing ‘ABSOLUTE CHAOS’ if Britain crashes out

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1111144/eu-elections-2019-latest-polls-brexit-italy-European-parliament-MEP
EU's election NIGHTMARE: Poll to see huge shake up from Eurosceptics, experts predict



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[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Obviously it’s time for an EU compromise. Apart from rabid Remainers, who else would ever sign a surrender document like the May/Merkel one? The EU will be in trade chaos if the don’t make a sensible deal with the UK, and political chaos if they have Nigel and UKIP added to their own eurosceptics.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1110335/Brexit-news-UK-EU-no-deal-warning-Germany-France-Ireland-latest
No-deal Brexit DISASTER: The 5 EU countries facing ‘ABSOLUTE CHAOS’ if Britain crashes out

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1111144/eu-elections-2019-latest-polls-brexit-italy-European-parliament-MEP
EU's election NIGHTMARE: Poll to see huge shake up from Eurosceptics, experts predict



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Remainers would not sign this deal, they’d cancel Brexit.

 

You voted for Brexit, your mess.

Edited April 8, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

Margret Beckett had this to say:

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

32 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Obviously it’s time for an EU compromise. Apart from rabid Remainers, who else would ever sign a surrender document like the May/Merkel one? The EU will be in trade chaos if the don’t make a sensible deal with the UK, and political chaos if they have Nigel and UKIP added to their own eurosceptics.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1110335/Brexit-news-UK-EU-no-deal-warning-Germany-France-Ireland-latest
No-deal Brexit DISASTER: The 5 EU countries facing ‘ABSOLUTE CHAOS’ if Britain crashes out

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1111144/eu-elections-2019-latest-polls-brexit-italy-European-parliament-MEP
EU's election NIGHTMARE: Poll to see huge shake up from Eurosceptics, experts predict



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When a Brexiteers uses the word “obviously”, other “obvious” things come to mind such as the easiest deal in history, 350 million for the NHS and the EU begging on its knees to provide all that.  

[vogie]

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Margret Beckett had this to say:

Do you think that at 76 Margaret Beckett is far too old to make decisions that will affect the lives of our younger generation?

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, vogie said:

Do you think that at 76 Margaret Beckett is far too old to make decisions that will affect the lives of our younger generation?

Similar arguments were made wrt to Pensioners voting for Brexit.

 

I recall counter arguments along the lines of older, wiser, more life experience.

 

But you in any case make a false argument.

 

Margerett Beckett is not arguing she, or indeed Parliament should have the last word.

 

She makes the very clear point that the Brexit deal should be put to the public.

 

 

Edited April 8, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[vogie]

43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Remainers would not sign this deal, they’d cancel Brexit.

 

You voted for Brexit, your mess.

Remainers have never believed in democracy, any deal put towards them, would never have been signed. They have always had the pretence that by insisting on another referendum that would be democratic, but in reality didn't have the decency to tell the truth and have always planned to derail brexit, so to say that "you voted for brexit, your mess" is risible.

[blazes]

2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I have said it before and will say it again;

 

Never before have I seen a country so utterly determined to shoot itself in the crotch

 

 

 

People who say "I always say" tend never to have moved beyond the very first thought that came into their head.....

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Remainers have never believed in democracy, any deal put towards them, would never have been signed. They have always had the pretence that by insisting on another referendum that would be democratic, but in reality didn't have the decency to tell the truth and have always planned to derail brexit, so to say that "you voted for brexit, your mess" is risible.

Sorry, you don’t get to make a choice then blame those who chose otherwise when your ill advised folly goes to rat poo.

 

You voted for Brexit, your mess.

 

(Brexiteer predilection for blaming others when things are not as Brexiteer wishes them to be, duly noted).

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, blazes said:

People who say "I always say" tend never to have moved beyond the very first thought that came into their head.....

It seems to have evaded you.

 

Samui Bodah didn’t say ‘I always say’.

[Loiner]

Remainers would not sign this deal, they’d cancel Brexit.
 
You voted for Brexit, your mess.

Nobody would sign the current deal. Remainers tried, but haven’t managed to cancel it. Time for EU to bend.

Leavers voted for Brexit. Remainers messed it up. EU helped with the messing up.

[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And there’s more to come: 

 

“The opening terms of the no-deal talks have already been revealed by Brussels. They will be just like the terms set nearly three years ago. Money, citizens’ rights and the Irish Border will be first up, and nothing else will be discussed until these are dealt with. (...) The Swiss know what permanent negotiations with the EU feel like. (...) the EU is a patient, skilled and brutal negotiator. The only advice of the Swiss to the British about dealing with the EU on a bilateral basis is ‘don’t’.”

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/uk-faces-prospect-of-endless-negotiations-with-the-eu-post-brexit-1.3852306?mode=amp

 

Brexiteers have maneuvered their great country into a big mess. Sadly there doesn’t seem to be anyone who’s willing to stop the insanity. Next GE will be interesting with rejoin- or remain-parties/manifestos.

Brexiteers have not maneuvered the country into this mess ,Remainers like May who pretend to be having negotiations with Brussells but have just said "how high" when they have told her to jump have created the mess.

[Loiner]

When a Brexiteers uses the word “obviously”, other “obvious” things come to mind such as the easiest deal in history, 350 million for the NHS and the EU begging on its knees to provide all that.  

If you believed the 350 million, why didn’t you vote for it? You couldn’t could you?

EU begging will begin when more eurowide eurosceptics get into their parliament.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Brexiteers have not maneuvered the country into this mess ,Remainers like May who pretend to be having negotiations with Brussells but have just said "how high" when they have told her to jump have created the mess.

Alternatively.

 

Brexit, failed to plan, planned to fail.

 

All those lies that the EU would be begging the UK - exposed.

 

The truth that there is no better deal than that of being a member stares Brexiteers in the face. 

 

They respond ‘It’s someone else’s fault’.

 

Afterall you absolutely should not be blamed for making an ill advised choice.

[vogie]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Sorry, you don’t get to make a choice then blame those who chose otherwise when your ill advised folly goes to rat poo.

 

You voted for Brexit, your mess.

 

(Brexiteer predilection for blaming others when things are not as Brexiteer wishes them to be, duly noted).

We a made a choice on based on lies from prominant remainer politicians now all reneged on their promises.

 

"And remember: We can't undo the decisions we make"............Lie

"If we vote out thats it"................Lie

"It's irreversable"..........Lie

"It's your decision, not parliament, yours".............Lie

"We will leave europe - for good"............Lie

And many more lies.

 

So it is very plain for all to see, it is not the fault of the brexiteers, all this "mess" came about by the incompetence of the remainer MPs in parliament. It would be hoped that the way we vote these self serving nondescripts into office changes very rapidly and we start getting Parliamentarians with a backbone.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

We a made a choice on based on lies from prominant remainer politicians now all reneged on their promises.

 

"And remember: We can't undo the decisions we make"............Lie

"If we vote out thats it"................Lie

"It's irreversable"..........Lie

"It's your decision, not parliament, yours".............Lie

"We will leave europe - for good"............Lie

And many more lies.

 

So it is very plain for all to see, it is not the fault of the brexiteers, all this "mess" came about by the incompetence of the remainer MPs in parliament. It would be hoped that the way we vote these self serving nondescripts into office changes very rapidly and we start getting Parliamentarians with a backbone.

 

 

You need to take that up with the Tories and the Tory Brexiteers who refused to lead the Brexit they campaigned for.

 

They knew the Brexit they promised could not be delivered, which is why they left it to Theresa May.

 

The Brexiteers failed to deliver.

 

Nothing to do with Remainers.

 

[Loiner]

You need to take that up with the Tories and the Tory Brexiteers who refused to lead the Brexit they campaigned for.
 
They knew the Brexit they promised could not be delivered, which is why they left it to Theresa May.
 
The Brexiteers failed to deliver.
 
Nothing to do with Remainers.
 

All to do with Remainers.
Remainers in the Tory party MPs who would not have allowed a Brexiteers leader. Remainers in the Tory MPs who supported Remainer PM May in the no confidence vote even after her disastrous performance. Remainers in the Labour Party who are defying their own constituents. Remainers in the LibDems who have always usurped the referendum. Remainers in the civil service who have been pulling the strings they should not be allowed to touch. Remainers in the BBC and MSM who continue their anti democratic propaganda. Remainers who wail about losing, while waving starred flags and crying from blue painted faces.
The only Remainers who don’t carry much blame are those on TVF. They are all pretty inconsequential really.

[brewsterbudgen]

I have said it before and will say it again;
 
Never before have I seen a country so utterly determined to shoot itself in the crotch
 
 
 

There is a still a chance that common sense will prevail and the whole thing will be called off, and Article 50 revoked.

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[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

All to do with Remainers.
Remainers in the Tory party MPs who would not have allowed a Brexiteers leader. Remainers in the Tory MPs who supported Remainer PM May in the no confidence vote even after her disastrous performance. Remainers in the Labour Party who are defying their own constituents. Remainers in the LibDems who have always usurped the referendum. Remainers in the civil service who have been pulling the strings they should not be allowed to touch. Remainers in the BBC and MSM who continue their anti democratic propaganda. Remainers who wail about losing, while waving starred flags and crying from blue painted faces.
The only Remainers who don’t carry much blame are those on TVF. They are all pretty inconsequential really.

Do you not think it rather odd that Rees Mogg, Johnson, Davis, Fox and other pro-Brexit members the Tory party stood by and let the weakest PM in living memory run the Brexit they had fought so hard for?

 

As a point of note, it is Conservative Party members, not just Conservative MPs who vote for the party leader. So the claim that the MPs are pro-remain is irrelevant to the selection of a party leader. 

 

Brexiteer Tories campaigned for Brexit then failed to take the lead - they didn't even bother putting their names forward. 

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Loiner:

 

I'm not sure you're right about the BBC which has been heavily pro- Brexit despite feeble attempts at balance.

 

You're right about the rest though. Personally I'm very thankful for all that has been done to save my country from the mistake that is Brexit. We're not over the line yet though.

 

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[Jip99]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

There is a still a chance that common sense will prevail and the whole thing will be called off, and Article 50 revoked.

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Called off because it is difficult, The Prime Minister and Parliament are incompetent ?  

 

 

Or, just because you didn't like the outcome of the vote.

 

 

That is not common sense, it is cowardice.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Called off because it is difficult, The Prime Minister and Parliament are incompetent ?  

 

 

Or, just because you didn't like the outcome of the vote.

 

 

That is not common sense, it is cowardice.

Or called off because Brexit has turned out to be the utter shambles it was always going to be.

 

I'm with Margret Beckett on this. 

 

Put the shambolic deal back to the people. 

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Loiner:

 

I'm not sure you're right about the BBC which has been heavily pro- Brexit despite feeble attempts at balance.

 

You're right about the rest though. Personally I'm very thankful for all that has been done to save my country from the mistake that is Brexit. We're not over the line yet though.

 

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On Question Time there has been 36% appearances by leavers and 60% by remainers.

 

 

[Loiner]

Loiner:
 
I'm not sure you're right about the BBC which has been heavily pro- Brexit despite feeble attempts at balance.
 
You're right about the rest though. Personally I'm very thankful for all that has been done to save my country from the mistake that is Brexit. We're not over the line yet though.
 

Your telly must receive a different BBC to mine. The Brussels Bull Collective has always been ardent Remain central, as are its staff.
I want my country to be saved from the EU. We’re not over the line yet either.