Do you believe in God and why

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

They can rarely tolerate criticism.  The "evils" perpetrated by science upon humanity is a more or less verboten topic.  Well, you're free to bring it up, even specific instances, but do not expect them to agree and admit that they've played a role in the creation of mass deaths and misery.  Covid vaccines anyone?  Weapons of mass destruction?  GMOs?  Could go on endlessly.

But what else can one expect from an institution which believes life was a cosmic accident and existence is nothing more than a game of random chance in which the individual is completely powerless to determine his own future?  Would one seriously expect such a system to produce morals which might be useful in tempering the directions which they take science?  Hardly.  So anything goes.  And don't expect any exhibits of shame for any miscreations.

I could not have said it better. 

Morals are incredibly underrated these days.

Yet, as someone said, we collectively need a taste of hell, so to know heaven; in this picture, we are living a phase of materialism, which is precursor of an era of enlightenment. 

I believe that human's evolution travels with waves and cycles, all we have to do is enjoying the ride as much as we can.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

I want to spend a couple of words to compliment  @sunmaster's and @tippaporn's posts.

Excellent posts, all well written, reasonable and clear. 

I'm increasingly aware, as i follow my path,  that a great majority of the people we see is deeply stuck in a materialistic illusion, like a sort of bubble. They cannot see beyond that bubble, which looks literally as a cage for the thought. 

Sometimes it seems that it's useless to talk to them. 

More often than not, it seems just wasted time.

Well, for what is worth, it's a great pleasure for me to read your literary efforts ????

And then there are people who think they know something which others don't know and don't see.

There is a word for it: delusion

And that is best case. Maybe they are also crazy or have another bad mental condition.

[TropicalGuy]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The evidence is everywhere.  It's a matter of being able to recognise it for what it is.  The argument that something doesn't exist due to a lack of evidence is fallacious logic.  Think of a dog whistle.  The sound it emits is outside the range of frequencies which our ears are currently able to recognise.  To say that it produces no sound would be false since we obviously know that the frequency is picked up by no less than dogs.

Now consider what else exists and operates at frequencies we are not attuned to.  Doesn't this example make one wonder, at least, what else exist unbeknownst to us?  And would it be probable that what else exists is quite extensive?

Now you can at least have a glimmering of why some people don't simply accept the deduction you and so many others put forth.

Disingenuous. Sound is a Force governed by Science????
Certain propositions which cannot, normally by absurdity, be disproved (God, Heaven, Teapot Orbiting Pluto, Flying Spaghetti Monster etc.) are according reasonably designated “Unfalsifiable”????…. and so can be Dismissed as a simple matter of Logic & Reason, as Unscientific ………

 

except of course by followers of Unevidenced “Faith” ,  normally classified as crackpots, cranks, loons, simpletons, conformists or pseudos. ????

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

I do ! I love plants and trees, their life is amazing. 

The life which is pulsating everywhere is evidence of a careful, artistic design. 

To think that it happens randomly is just unlikely.

"careful, artistic design"? By whom?

And did you hear about evolution? It's very interesting. And it's not random at all.

[TropicalGuy]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And then there are people who think they know something which others don't know and don't see.

There is a word for it: delusion

And that is best case. Maybe they are also crazy or have another bad mental condition.

Yes. That “ bubble” is called Reality and is bounded by Science???????? all else is hokum & gobbledygook Delusipn or Fairy Tales for children, fakers or loons. 
 

the posts fawningly lauded as excellent, clear, well written & reasonable are nothing of the kind ????

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I could not have said it better. 

Morals are incredibly underrated these days.

Yet, as someone said, we collectively need a taste of hell, so to know heaven; in this picture, we are living a phase of materialism, which is precursor of an era of enlightenment. 

I believe that human's evolution travels with waves and cycles, all we have to do is enjoying the ride as much as we can.

I call our times the Age of Corruption.  Civilisation built upon a foundation of lies and deceit cannot long last.  Neither can one expect pillars fashioned of fantasies to hold up.  Nowhere is the future settled but in the present.  I believe if we are to create a world which resembles utopia more so than dystopia then an awakening of sorts is required.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Yes. That “ bubble” is called Reality and is bounded by Science???????? all else is hokum & gobbledygook Delusipn or Fairy Tales for children, fakers or loons. 
 

the posts fawningly lauded as excellent, clear, well written & reasonable are nothing of the kind ????

I think this thread is a wonderful example of such bubble. Most reasonable people left this "discussion" a long time ago. So now the believers talk to the believers and they all live in the same dream world. Wonderful.

Maybe someone should open a flat-earther thread or something similar.

[Sunmaster]

7 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

You might find the latest Four Corners interesting. Its an investigative piece called 'The hype and hope of psychedelic medicines exposed'. It's on youtube.  Four Corners is a fairly well respected current affairs program on Australia's ABC. Sometimes they get it wrong but they make an effort. Didn't watch it all but it shows the difficulties of making such treatments more mainstream. 

 

I watched it now. The video is a bit too sensationalistic in the way they "expose" psychedelic treatments, but yes, they shouldn't be made haphazardly, for sure.

A 65% improvement rate for PTSD with MDMA is more than encouraging though. And that's only a small part of the potential inherent in entheogenic substances. I'm optimistic.

[RanongCat]

Why so any spend so much energy on debating, arguing, even killing about  what is God?

"God" is existence, not an entity! Religion is a human tool of lies to control.

[mauGR1]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

I call our times the Age of Corruption.  Civilisation built upon a foundation of lies and deceit cannot long last.  Neither can one expect pillars fashioned of fantasies to hold up.  Nowhere is the future settled but in the present.  I believe if we are to create a world which resembles utopia more so than dystopia then an awakening of sorts is required.

Sure, although it may be painful to watch humanity and humankind going down the drain, and possibly getting caught in that stream, we still have the power to awake ourselves. 

A physical body is just a cloth after all, it's wise not to get too attached. 

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Disingenuous. Sound is a Force governed by Science????
Certain propositions which cannot, normally by absurdity, be disproved (God, Heaven, Teapot Orbiting Pluto, Flying Spaghetti Monster etc.) are according reasonably designated “Unfalsifiable”????…. and so can be Dismissed as a simple matter of Logic & Reason, as Unscientific ………

 

except of course by followers of Unevidenced “Faith” ,  normally classified as crackpots, cranks, loons, simpletons, conformists or pseudos. ????

By your own admission:

 

6 hours ago, TropicalGuy said:

My posting is practical & clear not remotely “intellectual”.

I'm afraid it's devolved to unintelligible.  Which tells me there's no point in engaging with random ramblings.  Carry on, mate.

[Sunmaster]

14 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And then there are people who think they know something which others don't know and don't see.

There is a word for it: delusion

And that is best case. Maybe they are also crazy or have another bad mental condition.

Oh please, the world is full of people who know more than us in all fields of life. Engineers, artists, athletes, scientists, shamans....the list is endless. Each one experiences life from a different angle, each contributes to deepen the human experience, each one in his own way. 
Are you really saying that anyone who knows more than you or sees more than you is automatically delusional? Come on, be serious.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Why so any spend so much energy on debating, arguing, even killing about  what is God?

"God" is existence, not an entity! Religion is a human tool of lies to control.

You can spend your energy as you like, personally i find debating useful and rather entertaining. 

Your definitions of god and religion are interesting, but surely debatable..

.. unless you think you have the truth in your pocket ????

[Sunmaster]

9 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think this thread is a wonderful example of such bubble. Most reasonable people left this "discussion" a long time ago. So now the believers talk to the believers and they all live in the same dream world. Wonderful.

Maybe someone should open a flat-earther thread or something similar.

Thanks heavens we have such stalwarts of rationality and reason like you.....to keep us entertained. ????????

[TropicalGuy]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

You can spend your energy as you like, personally i find debating useful and rather entertaining. 

Your definitions of god and religion are interesting, but surely debatable..

.. unless you think you have the truth in your pocket ????

God & Religion long exposed as   Lies & Nonsense . C. Hitchens for one…..belief is for the birds what can you prove ? ????????

[TropicalGuy]

7 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Oh please, the world is full of people who know more than us in all fields of life. Engineers, artists, athletes, scientists, shamans....the list is endless. Each one experiences life from a different angle, each contributes to deepen the human experience, each one in his own way. 
Are you really saying that anyone who knows more than you or sees more than you is automatically delusional? Come on, be serious.

He’s clearly talking about the totality of scientific knowledge being challenged without evidence, not individuals. Get a grip man. 

[Tippaporn]

20 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And then there are people who think they know something which others don't know and don't see.

There is a word for it: delusion

And that is best case. Maybe they are also crazy or have another bad mental condition.

Are you suggesting we all know the same things and we all see (perceive) the same things?  You can't be serious.

Tell me, how much punch and die clearance is needed to pierce a 6mm diameter hole in HSLA steel?  What would be the force requirements?  The stripping force generated?  What?  I know something you don't?  That's simply too amazing to believe!!

 

We both perceive equally?  I know you're joking and just pulling my leg.

What were you saying about delusional?

[Tippaporn]

9 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Oh please, the world is full of people who know more than us in all fields of life. Engineers, artists, athletes, scientists, shamans....the list is endless. Each one experiences life from a different angle, each contributes to deepen the human experience, each one in his own way. 
Are you really saying that anyone who knows more than you or sees more than you is automatically delusional? Come on, be serious.

Talk about sticking one's foot in one's mouth. 

I hesitate to argue with that rationale.

[TropicalGuy]

14 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Sure, although it may be painful to watch humanity and humankind going down the drain, and possibly getting caught in that stream, we still have the power to awake ourselves. 

A physical body is just a cloth after all, it's wise not to get too attached. 

Usual unsubstantiated vague hokum gibberish & drivel ????????

[Sunmaster]

3 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

He’s clearly talking about the totality of scientific knowledge being challenged without evidence, not individuals. Get a grip man. 

You've gone completely off the rails, man. 
Nobody here challenged "the totality of scientific knowledge". lol

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

God & Religion long exposed as   Lies & Nonsense . C. Hitchens for one…..belief is for the birds what can you prove ? ????????

Did you understand yet that evolution is a theory and not a fact ?

I'm asking because I'm not sure it's worth to answer your questions. And that is putting it lightly. 

Also, the serial use of negative emojis is the lowest level of trolling imho, and it says something about you and the onefarang guy.

[TropicalGuy]

18 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think this thread is a wonderful example of such bubble. Most reasonable people left this "discussion" a long time ago. So now the believers talk to the believers and they all live in the same dream world. Wonderful.

Maybe someone should open a flat-earther thread or something similar.

Or Faith vs. Fact or my favorite; the debunked Moon Landing Conspiracy Theory Deniers????

[TropicalGuy]

1 minute ago, Sunmaster said:

You've gone completely off the rails, man. 
Nobody here challenged "the totality of scientific knowledge". lol

You can’t even process simple English. “ individuals” were mentioned but ignored by you. 

[RanongCat]

12 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

You can spend your energy as you like, personally i find debating useful and rather entertaining. 

Your definitions of god and religion are interesting, but surely debatable..

.. unless you think you have the truth in your pocket ????

If I have or not have any thing in my poket or not in what is my life span matter not to existence. My body is no different to air or water . My consciousness is only related to others from reason of physical ability to interact like in one way you me do now. before i am born or after I die I was  and always will be that way same like in a way as transitional elements of the atomic table.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Sunmaster said:

You've gone completely off the rails, man. 
Nobody here challenged "the totality of scientific knowledge". lol

Agreed.  At this point I think she's just trolling.  I'm not wasting my time.

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Did you understand yet that evolution is a theory and not a fact ?

I'm asking because I'm not sure it's worth to answer your questions. And that is putting it lightly. 

Also, the serial use of negative emojis is the lowest level of trolling imho, and it says something about you and the onefarang guy.

A trollin' we will go

a trollin' we will go,

hi ho the merry-o,

a trollin' we will go.

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, RanongCat said:

If I have or not have any thing in my poket or not in what is my life span matter not to existence. My body is no different to air or water . My consciousness is only related to others from reason of physical ability to interact like in one way you me do now. before i am born or after I die I was  and always will be that way same like in a way as transitional elements of the atomic table.

That's interesting, personally i think that consciousness exists independently from me or you, and possibly independently from humans in general.

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, TropicalGuy said:

Evolution is accepted as Scientific Fact. You are demonstrably incapable of properly answering any significant questions from your pseudo world of delusion. Pretending to respect science but clearly not. 

Whatever makes you happy ????

[RanongCat]

9 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

That's interesting, personally i think that consciousness exists independently from me or you, and possibly independently from humans in general.

It is that I was intending to illustrate my thoughts but as a need for interaction the consciousness must be having a vehicle to do it. Big problem in considering that is why? That is back to the origins of religion . I like the thinking of Sadhguru but I can also not agree entirely with him.

Edited July 26, 2022 by RanongCat
spell wrong

[mauGR1]

9 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

It is that I was intending to illustrate my thoughts but as a need for interaction the consciousness must be having a vehicle to do it. Big problem in considering that is why

That's a great question, and there are many answers available. 

Tbh i don't know the exact answer, but it's reasonable to think that there's a reason for everything.