3 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

To be fair he's not the only one, there appears to be a large segment of the population worldwide that think and act illogically while at the same time screaming: "logic, logic !!"

.. which is hilariously ironic. 

Materialism has become a cult.

Indeed. Not for nothing did they warn against greed millennia ago.

Far as I'm concerned the society in which I live is consumed by greed and appearances, and has consigned any that are not wealthy to oblivion. IMO it's not going to end well for anyone.

However, when the brown stuff hits the rotating blades I'm sure a lot of those that don't believe will discover religion.

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God is commonly described as the force that created the universe with it's uncountable trillions of stars, planets etc, so why ascribe human conditions to God? No human is capable of even creating something that has "life", let alone a solar system, so why does anyone think God is like humans?

 

Hmmmm, I may yet start posting on this thread again, though I shall attempt to ignore the obvious trolls or repeat what I've posted many many times before.

If anyone cares about my opinions they are welcome to read all my 1000 + posts.

I have not said any god is like humans, but still we like to create robots who look like humans, and in the bible if we are using that alone as evidence, god created humans in his own image. 
 

I do not like to use historical memes, traditions, culture or other peoples experiences with or without some kind of manipulation or mass suggessions as evidence for a god or gods. 
 

As said before, I like to look to nature, and nothing else. However it doest give you any true answers if its by random chance or created by something higher force. But I do believe in evolution! 

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by Hummin

36 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I have not said any god is like humans, but still we like to create robots who look like humans, and in the bible if we are using that alone as evidence, god created humans in his own image. 
 

I do not like to use historical memes, traditions, culture or other peoples experiences with or without some kind of manipulation or mass suggessions as evidence for a god or gods. 
 

As said before, I like to look to nature, and nothing else. However it doest give you any true answers if its by random chance or created by something higher force. But I do believe in evolution! 

The old testament was written by people that probably had no concept of the universe ( thought the sun went around the earth etc ). I doubt they could conceive of the creator unless like a human.

 

Have you considered that evolution was designed, rather than some sort of accidental occurrence?

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The old testament was written by people that probably had no concept of the universe ( thought the sun went around the earth etc ). I doubt they could conceive of the creator unless like a human.

 

Have you considered that evolution was designed, rather than some sort of accidental occurrence?

Many people believe in the bible, and it is belief we are talking about, and I used it as a reference. 
 

Yes, the evolution is possible because of our dna, so if the dna is designed by someone, then it will be true. 
 

But we do not know about a higher creator, we believe there is, or many people believe.

 

I just do not know, but believe in simple easy understandable things, rather than create something thats not there. I know nature, therefor,,,,,,

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

As said before, I like to look to nature, and nothing else.

Here is a concise description of human nature ...

 

2 minutes ago, seedy said:

Here is a concise description of human nature ...

 

Your picture refers to design! Hard work and anabolic steroids 

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

Many people believe in the bible, and it is belief we are talking about, and I used it as a reference. 
 

Yes, the evolution is possible because of our dna, so if the dna is designed by someone, then it will be true. 
 

But we do not know about a higher creator, we believe there is, or many people believe.

 

I just do not know, but believe in simple easy understandable things, rather than create something thats not there. I know nature, therefor,,,,,,

I assume the Bible is the basis of Judaism/ Christianity religion, and as I'm not religious I regard it as only a history book of the Jews ( old Testament ) and a history book of the rise of Christianity as a religion ( new Testament ).

 

Far as intelligent design is concerned, unless anyone can come up with some definitive, acceptable to all proof that God does not exist, it has to be accepted that God is possible. Given faith, it's not necessary to prove that God exists, and that's completely on topic ( -do-you-believe-in-god- ).

As for the why, I have posted my actual beliefs as to why I believe many times before, I won't be repeating them now.

 

Given my belief is about faith, I have no problem accepting that God exists ( but not as most anti God posters on here claim God to be ).

 

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by thaibeachlovers

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I assume the Bible is the basis of Judaism/ Christianity religion, and as I'm not religious I regard it as only a history book of the Jews ( old Testament ) and a history book of the rise of Christianity as a religion ( new Testament ).

 

 

Judaism was around for about 1000 years before Jesus and Christianity arrive .

  Christians borrowed the Jews God and created their own Religion , about 1000 years after Judaism came into being 

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Judaism was around for about 1000 years before Jesus and Christianity arrive .

  Christians borrowed the Jews God and created their own Religion , about 1000 years after Judaism came into being 

Don't know what your point is that you quote me. The old testament wasn't written after Jesus lived and Jesus was a Jew. He didn't start Christianity- that was down to men who came after.

As I'm not religious it's of no interest to me when a religion came into being or who "borrowed" what from whom and what was created.

 

BTW, Muslims also believe in the same God as the Jews, but you didn't mention them.

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't know what your point is that you quote me. The old testament wasn't written after Jesus lived and Jesus was a Jew. He didn't start Christianity- that was down to men who came after.

As I'm not religious it's of no interest to me when a religion came into being or who "borrowed" what from whom and what was created.

 

BTW, Muslims also believe in the same God as the Jews, but you didn't mention them.

No, Muslims came along about 500 years after Christians did and about 1500 years after Jews did .

   Both Christians and Muslims burrowed the Jews God and used that to make their own Religion .

  Jesus Christ didnt start Christianity ?

The Christian Religion is named after him 

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, Muslims came along about 500 years after Christians did and about 1500 years after Jews did .

   Both Christians and Muslims burrowed the Jews God and used that to make their own Religion .

  Jesus Christ didnt start Christianity ?

The Christian Religion is named after him 

You seem ill informed as to the origins of Christianity. Jesus didn't try to start a new religion. That was done by men that came after. It is based on his teachings which is why it's named after him.

 

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by thaibeachlovers

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You seem ill informed as to the origins of Christianity. Jesus didn't try to start a new religion. That was done by men that came after. It is based on his teachings which is why it's named after him.

 

Well, according to what the books say, Jesus said something to Peter about the developments of his teachings. 

So, if I'm not wrong, Peter is considered to be the 1st Pope in history. 

It's told that when Jesus was about to be arrested, looked at Peter and said: "before dawn you'll betray me thrice".. which happened. 

Ironic, given the history of Vatican and the popes. 

Of course we cannot compare Jesus and his teachings to the different interpretations which have created countless brand names, the most notorious the Catholic , protestants etc.

 

 

I would add that many chapters of the old testament are much older than the Jews themselves, for example, the stories about the flood seems to be taken from the assyrian-babylonians' literature, they are credited with developing the script, and whose civilization is many 1000 yrs older than Jesus and his times. 

 

4 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, according to what the books say, Jesus said something to Peter about the developments of his teachings. 

So, if I'm not wrong, Peter is considered to be the 1st Pope in history. 

It's told that when Jesus was about to be arrested, looked at Peter and said: "before dawn you'll betray me thrice".. which happened. 

Ironic, given the history of Vatican and the popes. 

Of course we cannot compare Jesus and his teachings to the different interpretations which have created countless brand names, the most notorious the Catholic , protestants etc.

 

 

I would add that many chapters of the old testament are much older than the Jews themselves, for example, the stories about the flood seems to be taken from the assyrian-babylonians' literature, they are credited with developing the script, and whose civilization is many 1000 yrs older than Jesus and his times. 

 

Given that the 4 books were written long after Jesus was crucified I'd not be surprised if some things that didn't happen were included and some things that did were omitted.

 

I'm only interested in the aspects of faith in the New Testament, so it's pretty much irrelevant to me as to detail.

 

I doubt we can compare the teachings of Jesus to the Roman Catholic Church, given how wealthy that religion is. Just one of the reasons I'm not religious.

Edited July 28, 20223 yr by thaibeachlovers

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm only interested in the aspects of faith in the New Testament, so it's pretty much irrelevant to me as to detail.

I understand that, and honestly i have been keeping a safe distance from the bible for most of my life.

However, from time to time, i have come across detailed explanations about stories from the old testament, and it's just amazing that other stories from other continents and civilizations seem to be very similar. The story of the flood, for example. 

Apparently, legends from north European ancient tribes are telling similar tales of flood survivors. 

Although inaccurate translations and even manipulations have made the bible and other ancient  books  difficult to understand, it's surely not fair to dismiss all of that as nonsense. 

No

“To ask me to verify my life by giving you my statistics is like using science to validate sorcery. It robs the world of its magic and makes milestones out of us all.”
― Carlos Castaneda

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I assume the Bible is the basis of Judaism/ Christianity religion, and as I'm not religious I regard it as only a history book of the Jews ( old Testament ) and a history book of the rise of Christianity as a religion ( new Testament ).

 

Far as intelligent design is concerned, unless anyone can come up with some definitive, acceptable to all proof that God does not exist, it has to be accepted that God is possible. Given faith, it's not necessary to prove that God exists, and that's completely on topic ( -do-you-believe-in-god- ).

As for the why, I have posted my actual beliefs as to why I believe many times before, I won't be repeating them now.

 

Given my belief is about faith, I have no problem accepting that God exists ( but not as most anti God posters on here claim God to be ).

 

I believe I have read more history, religion, politics, psychology and culture combined with science than the average, and maybe more than some of the most active members here in this topic. 
 

Still I have to admit I do not know if there is a good or not. I do not know if I believev I knew, it would change me somehow, but the best part of it, it still keeps me curious and it still make me read and look up old things i have read and also check out new things I have not read yet, try to look at it from an different perspective, and try to understand others view and understanding as well. 
 

The only thing that really amazes me is what we know and have proved so far, and the belief of what we think have led to our life as we se it here and now. To be true, knowing what I know now, what I feel when I discover new things, makes life amazing and interesting. What I believe is not so important, and I can change that view anytime I learn something new that seems plausible. As long we do not get stuck in one belief as an absolute reality and truth we are on our way to discover more, and still keep it interesting. 
 

Running around in circles is not inspiring. 
 

The Big Books is inspired by history and ehats learned and teached by time, in my perspictive every religion have been a puzzle until someone saw the benefits from making an absolute truth. 

Edited July 28, 20223 yr by Hummin

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I believe I have read more history, religion, politics, psychology and culture combined with science than the average, and maybe more than some of the most active members here in this topic. 
 

Still I have to admit I do not know if there is a good or not. I do not know if I believev I knew, it would change me somehow, but the best part of it, it still keeps me curious and it still make me read and look up old things i have read and also check out new things I have not read yet, try to look at it from an different perspective, and try to understand others view and understanding as well. 
 

The only thing that really amazes me is what we know and have proved so far, and the belief of what we think have led to our life as we se it here and now. To be true, knowing what I know now, what I feel when I discover new things, makes life amazing and interesting. What I believe is not so important, and I can change that view anytime I learn something new that seems plausible. As long we do not get stuck in one belief as an absolute reality and truth we are on our way to discover more, and still keep it interesting. 
 

Running around in circles is not inspiring. 
 

The Big Books is inspired by history and ehats learned and teached by time, in my perspictive every religion have been a puzzle until someone saw the benefits from making an absolute truth. 

And this is a great mindset in my opinion, which I like to subscribe to as well. ????

" Heaven, as conventionally conceived, is a place so inane, so dull, so useless, so miserable, that nobody has ever ventured to describe a whole day in heaven, though plenty of people have described a day at the seaside."

51 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

" Heaven, as conventionally conceived, is a place so inane, so dull, so useless, so miserable, that nobody has ever ventured to describe a whole day in heaven, though plenty of people have described a day at the seaside."

Vallhalla is not a boring place!

 

Many cultures describe the other side or heaven if you want to call it. 

 

Jehovas have very nice description of their earned place. Just to mention a few

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Vallhalla is not a boring place!

 

Many cultures describe the other side or heaven if you want to call it. 

 

Jehovas have very nice description of their earned place. Just to mention a few

Not for a full weekend. Two full days - including wake up, morning sex, first  smoke, shower , <deleted>  ,

Breakfast,  stroll, few pints, a smoke etc etc,  go shopping, beach, swimming, lunch, wine, read a book, look for the  top less beach, ...I mean that kind of description..

19 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Not for a full weekend. Two full days - including wake up, morning sex, first  smoke, shower , <deleted>  ,

Breakfast,  stroll, few pints, a smoke etc etc,  go shopping, beach, swimming, lunch, wine, read a book, look for the  top less beach, ...I mean that kind of description..

If that's your heaven, that's your illusion of paradise. 

2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

" Heaven, as conventionally conceived, is a place so inane, so dull, so useless, so miserable, that nobody has ever ventured to describe a whole day in heaven, though plenty of people have described a day at the seaside."

Existence involves never ending growth.  By it's very definition heaven, which is generally thought of as a state of perfection, would be as close as one could get to true death.  A state of perfection implies that one can no longer go beyond.  Growth would be dead then.

I don't argue that people can't create their version of heaven but I would argue that it's not an actual permanent existence.  Imagine winning all of the time.  For all eternity.  Would that not ultimately be boring?

 

Edited July 28, 20223 yr by Tippaporn

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Vallhalla is not a boring place!

 

Many cultures describe the other side or heaven if you want to call it. 

 

Jehovas have very nice description of their earned place. Just to mention a few

I think one needs to be aware and take into account that personal symbolism is involved in many accounts describing what is found in altered states of consciousness before accepting any of these accounts literally.

Hummin 

What I wrote is not logical?  Rather than a belly laugh show how the logic fails.

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Existence involves never ending growth.  By it's very definition heaven, which is generally thought of as a state of perfection, would be as close as one could get to true death.  A state of perfection implies that one can no longer go beyond.  Growth would be dead then.

I don't argue that people can't create their version of heaven but I would argue that it's not an actual permanent existence.  Imagine winning all of the time.  For all eternity.  Would that not ultimately be boring?

 

I quite satisfied knowing one day I will be dead and recycled, but me is no more me
 

 

Just now, Hummin said:

I quite satisfied knowing one day I will be dead and recycled, but me is no more me

I beg to differ.  All of creation is important.  Nothing is ever lost.  Individuality especially is never lost.  You will always be you.  That's not to imply that 'you' are ever a finished product.  Consciousness is ever evolving.

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Hummin 

What I wrote is not logical?  Rather than a belly laugh show how the logic fails.

It can be sevaral lack of logic in your post. 
 

I believe anyone can create their own bubble of enlightenment and awesomeness and illusion of what they believe will happen after death, or let others manipulate you to believe what they want you to believe to make you join their cult, club or belief system 

Edited July 28, 20223 yr by Hummin

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

I beg to differ.  All of creation is important.  Nothing is ever lost.  Individuality especially is never lost.  You will always be you.  That's not to imply that 'you' are ever a finished product.  Consciousness is ever evolving.

Im happy for you believing that

It's said that until one understands who and what they are the rest of experience can never truly be understood.  I'll soon be posting what I consider to be the best explanation . . . at least partial explanation . . . of who and what we are.  I'll offer it as food for thought and let everyone else do with the information what they may.