Do you believe in God and why

[Purdey]

Anyone can be a god. Stop war, feed the poor. Easy.

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Still, the idea of some omnipotent unifying force is too farfetched for me. 

I think that there is a force who keeps the planets orbiting around the sun, the same force keeping the electrons orbiting around the nucleus of every atom.

According to the Hindus, there are basically three forces, creation, preservation and destruction ( who is creation itself )

Without any of those three, there would be no "world" as we see it.

The concept of "omnipotent" supreme being comes from Christianity i think, that appears to be hard to prove.

[farcanell]

On 4/14/2019 at 11:38 PM, mauGR1 said:

My less than perfect intuition tells me that both are true, but we are wired, or trained to see the reality in 3 dimensions, and it's logical to think that there are more than 3.

 

Apparently there’s is now a 5D porn cinema in holland.... so it seems your right.

[Odysseus123]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

I think that there is a force who keeps the planets orbiting around the sun, the same force keeping the electrons orbiting around the nucleus of every atom.

According to the Hindus, there are basically three forces, creation, preservation and destruction ( who is creation itself )

Without any of those three, there would be no "world" as we see it.

The concept of "omnipotent" supreme being comes from Christianity i think, that appears to be hard to prove.

Judaism one would think,but passed on when the Christians filched the Tanakh.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Judaism one would think,but passed on when the Christians filched the Tanakh.

Thanks for the correction, although mention of a single, omni-pervading being, can be found in Hindu cosmogony too.

[farcanell]

52 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I found it quite scary. I saw a long black tunnel with a purple horseman on a purple horse at the end of it. Apparently, a common phenomenon related to the brain being starved of oxygen. After that nothing, nada, zilch, carked.

 

On 4/14/2019 at 10:47 PM, hiwave said:

40 odd pages apart, but now I understand why the toaster god is purple.... that’s my wee bit of education done for the day... thanks guys 

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I think that there is a force who keeps the planets orbiting around the sun, the same force keeping the electrons orbiting around the nucleus of every atom.

According to the Hindus, there are basically three forces, creation, preservation and destruction ( who is creation itself )

Without any of those three, there would be no "world" as we see it.

The concept of "omnipotent" supreme being comes from Christianity i think, that appears to be hard to prove.

The force you refer to is gravity. Isaac Newton knew a thing or two about that.

 

There is only one force, Force= mass x acceleration. Acceleration being equal to gravity for objects at rest on earth (9.81m/s/s). Science has all the answers you require, no need to ask a Hindu.

 

Pretty sure that the Jews had a supreme being, Jehova, long before the Christians.

[JWRC]

I do believe there is a higher being, and for the sake of the exercise I will call him God, 

Many years ago my son was very ill and all the hospitals and doctors we had seen over a 12 month period couldn't find what was wrong.  He just kept getting worse and worse to the point he was hospitalised and we were told he probably wouldn't live to the morning and to prepare ourselves. Being bought up a Christian and married at that time to an atheist my son had not been baptised due to my partners objections, but I felt if my son was going to die, he should be baptised immediately. The hospital arranged a priest to come and my son was baptised in his hospital bed, my partner had left the room in disgust. The hospital suggested we go home and get a few hours sleep, when we got back 5 hours later my sons bed was empty, I thought we had lost him. A small miracle, after all the months a visiting specialist had been asked to see him and he realised what the problem was and they rushed my son to theatre, that's why he wasn't in his bed. He has never looked back, was it a minor miracle or a coincidence? we will never know.

 

My second experience was a very nasty ghost who moved houses with my family, the ghost became very jealous of my grandson and would appear to him as a big Teddy Bear, after several months this teddy bear would attack my grandson while he was sleeping and bite him. Now I don't or didn't believe in ghosts until all this happened, my grandson who was only 4 at the time would not go to bed on his own because of the "Teddy Bear". My Thai partner was unperturbed at all this and we visited the local Monks together with my grandson, they were told of the situation and did their chanting over my grandson, they then gave me some "blessed water" and told me to sprinkle it all over the house and tell the ghost that we never had a problem with it, but would it please leave the house. Here's me thinking "what a load of twaddle" but game to try anything I  got some reeds and sprayed the water all over the house, not forgetting a particular wardrobe where the ghost lived. I have never felt like such a prawn in all my life doing this and telling the ghost that we didn't want a problem with it and that it was ok for him/her to move on and would it please go and live elsewhere. That night was the first peaceful night for months and we never never heard from the ghost again.

 

So the first experience, was it a miracle or a coincidence

The second experience - well what can you call it, I don't know.

 

 

 

[dick dasterdly]

23 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Wheras me being just being an airy-fairy Deist-of no fixed religious address-formed when I was a young matelot yachting about in the Tasman and Coral Seas, has enabled me to avoid all "hot under the collar" religious debates in my lifetime.

Apparently not....

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

The force you refer to is gravity. Isaac Newton knew a thing or two about that.

 

There is only one force, Force= mass x acceleration. Acceleration being equal to gravity for objects at rest on earth (9.81m/s/s). Science has all the answers you require, no need to ask a Hindu.

 

Pretty sure that the Jews had a supreme being, Jehova, long before the Christians.

The theory of the atoms was well known to the ancient Indians long before the first Greek philosopher started talking about it.

[dick dasterdly]

10 minutes ago, Spidey said:

The force you refer to is gravity. Isaac Newton knew a thing or two about that.

 

There is only one force, Force= mass x acceleration. Acceleration being equal to gravity for objects at rest on earth (9.81m/s/s). Science has all the answers you require, no need to ask a Hindu.

 

Pretty sure that the Jews had a supreme being, Jehova, long before the Christians.

Agree, apart from the following:-

 

"Science has all the answers you require"

[yodsak]

3 minutes ago, JWRC said:

 

My second experience was a very nasty ghost who moved houses with my family, the ghost became very jealous of my grandson and would appear to him as a big Teddy Bear, after several months this teddy bear would attack my grandson while he was sleeping and bite him.

 

 

 

The '' very nasty big teddy bear ghost'' would attack my grandson and bite him ?  really?

[mauGR1]

Just now, yodsak said:

The '' very nasty big teddy bear ghost'' would attack my grandson and bite him ?  really?

Children can see realities invisible to adults, unless you think they are all liars.

[Odysseus123]

7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Thanks for the correction, although mention of a single, omni-pervading being, can be found in Hindu cosmogony too.

That is true-but one above all the other lords..and forces.

Therefore it is somewhat different to the Judeo-Christian (or Muslim) concept "Of you will have no-other Gods but me."

 

Essentially all the animist and polytheistic religions basically divided into 'Earth Mother or 'Skyfather' types.Watson contends that the earth mother was defeated by the 'Skyfather" in late Sumerian times leading us to Zoroaster and then Yahweh (and Allah)

 

Have you read Joseph Campbell?

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, JWRC said:

I do believe there is a higher being, and for the sake of the exercise I will call him God, 

Many years ago my son was very ill and all the hospitals and doctors we had seen over a 12 month period couldn't find what was wrong.  He just kept getting worse and worse to the point he was hospitalised and we were told he probably wouldn't live to the morning and to prepare ourselves. Being bought up a Christian and married at that time to an atheist my son had not been baptised due to my partners objections, but I felt if my son was going to die, he should be baptised immediately. The hospital arranged a priest to come and my son was baptised in his hospital bed, my partner had left the room in disgust. The hospital suggested we go home and get a few hours sleep, when we got back 5 hours later my sons bed was empty, I thought we had lost him. A small miracle, after all the months a visiting specialist had been asked to see him and he realised what the problem was and they rushed my son to theatre, that's why he wasn't in his bed. He has never looked back, was it a minor miracle or a coincidence? we will never know.

 

My second experience was a very nasty ghost who moved houses with my family, the ghost became very jealous of my grandson and would appear to him as a big Teddy Bear, after several months this teddy bear would attack my grandson while he was sleeping and bite him. Now I don't or didn't believe in ghosts until all this happened, my grandson who was only 4 at the time would not go to bed on his own because of the "Teddy Bear". My Thai partner was unperturbed at all this and we visited the local Monks together with my grandson, they were told of the situation and did their chanting over my grandson, they then gave me some "blessed water" and told me to sprinkle it all over the house and tell the ghost that we never had a problem with it, but would it please leave the house. Here's me thinking "what a load of twaddle" but game to try anything I  got some reeds and sprayed the water all over the house, not forgetting a particular wardrobe where the ghost lived. I have never felt like such a prawn in all my life doing this and telling the ghost that we didn't want a problem with it and that it was ok for him/her to move on and would it please go and live elsewhere. That night was the first peaceful night for months and we never never heard from the ghost again.

 

So the first experience, was it a miracle or a coincidence

The second experience - well what can you call it, I don't know.

 

 

 

My father was diagnosed with stomach cancer. He had surgery to remove half of his stomach.

 

After the surgery, the surgeon, an Irishman and a Catholic, came to talk to my mother, also a Catholic. His first words to my mother were, "It's a miracle Mrs X. When I operated, there was no sign of the cancer, it had gone". He still removed half of my father's stomach though.

 

A miracle? No, an excuse, by the surgeon for misdiagnosis/medical malpractice.

 

As for getting rid of ghosts, you can't get rid of what doesn't exist. however, you can remove something from a person's mind by the power of suggestion. Did you make it clear to your son what you were doing and why?

[Odysseus123]

9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Apparently not....

You are the one getting hot under the collar.I am pretty relaxed about all the posts on this thread..

[Spidey]

6 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Agree, apart from the following:-

 

"Science has all the answers you require"

Ask a question and I will let science answer it.

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Odysseus123 said:

That is true-but one above all the other lords..and forces.

Therefore it is somewhat different to the Judeo-Christian (or Muslim) concept "Of you will have no-other Gods but me."

 

Essentially all the animist and polytheistic religions basically divided into 'Earth Mother or 'Skyfather' types.Watson contends that the earth mother was defeated by the 'Skyfather" in late Sumerian times leading us to Zoroaster and then Yahweh (and Allah)

 

Have you read Joseph Campbell?

I believe ALL the legends have some truth in them, but due to errors of translation, or misinterpretations can't be as accurate as we may wish.

I'll take note of J. Campbell.

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

You are the one getting hot under the collar.I am pretty relaxed about all the posts on this thread..

She's probably the only woman here, be kind Ulysses..

[Odysseus123]

6 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I believe ALL the legends have some truth in them, but due to errors of translation, or misinterpretations can't be as accurate as we may wish.

I'll take note of J. Campbell.

Joseph Campbell stood close to many ideas found in the Theosophical movement.

His best known works are 

"The Hero with a Thousand Faces"

and the 4 volume 'The Masks of God'

[yodsak]

[Naam]

1 hour ago, Odysseus123 said:

Take a chill pill my friend...after all,it is Easter Sunday.

 

This is just blokes hanging out together,being a tad metaphysical and pondering whether the esky has miraculously re-filled itself or whether the drop bears have decamped with the Bundy..

isn't using foreign languages against forum rules?

[Odysseus123]

4 minutes ago, Naam said:

isn't using foreign languages against forum rules?

Ummm..err..

 

What part of the English language-albeit modified by us Antipodeans-would you describe as a foreign language?????

 

"Esky" plastic box in which one places ice-and usually drinks-to keep them cool...

"Bundy"-Bundaburg Rum.

Edited April 21, 2019 by Odysseus123

[Naam]

1 minute ago, Odysseus123 said:

Ummm..err..

 

What part of the English language-albeit modified by us Antipodeans-would you describe as a foreign language?

esky... drop bears... Bundy...

[Odysseus123]

1 minute ago, Naam said:

esky... drop bears... Bundy...

You will just have to get over it.

[farcanell]

1 hour ago, JWRC said:

So the first experience, was it a miracle or a coincidence

The second experience - well what can you call it, I don't know.

Superstition I believe

 

52 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Children can see realities invisible to adults, unless you think they are all liars.

Children will manifest an alternative reality dependent on the input provided by their authority figures, which is why the church (any/all) wants to get at them while they are young

 

they aren’t necessarily lying (eg... for attention), but rather, repeating a learnt untruth. 

 

The bogeyman, god or Freddy Kruger, are examples of fantastical retribution used to control folk.... don’t go down to the woods tonight, your in for a big surprise ( esp if the picnicking bear is a damn koala... viscous buggers) 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Naam said:

esky... drop bears... Bundy...

Yep, tbh honest as a ordinary folk, i'm not really familiar with that erudite, technical jargon, but i can understand the meaning of the post though.

[Naam]

1 minute ago, Odysseus123 said:

You will just have to get over it.

encrypted pornography?

[Odysseus123]

1 minute ago, Naam said:

encrypted pornography?

 

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, farcanell said:

they aren’t necessarily lying (eg... for attention), but rather, repeating a learnt untruth. 

I don't disagree in general with your post, but are you sure that there is only 1 truth, and that you (or science) know it ?