Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Hmm, mine (11 years) is doing fine, thanks God. ????

 

I can't speak for how "successful" their marriages are, but all my friends are all still married after 15 - 20 years. To me they seem OK too.
Maybe it's a generational thing? We are all early to mid 70s kids...

 

My parent's generation however was a bloodbath. Successful marriages are the exception.

I hope it's not just a matter of time!  ???? ???? ????

 

I'm way older than you.

I know of few successful marriages. I know of some that stay married just because it's convenient, or for the kids. Almost everyone I know that got married is divorced at least once.

The two most successful marriages I knew ended in widowhood in middle age.

 

A marriage will last if the couple are friends, as lust does not last. Too many people got married out of desperation and to the wrong person. Those marriages don't last.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Too many factors to discuss, but surely natality is decreasing, I am 60, and I'd guess about half of my old friends didn't have children. Nowadays much lower natality than ever.. well you could say that it has nothing to do with the success of a marriage, but I'd disagree. I think marriage was invented to create a certain environment for the children, well, it'll be interesting to see how the society will develop.

As a final note, I was not born a sexist, but given the success of feminism, I think I have to be just a bit a mysogenist, just for the sake of the balance, you know ????

In NZ they are now trying to get people to have kids as not enough want any. It's not a problem in my mind as there are millions that would like to live in NZ. I'd be in favour of restricting it to attractive Chinese, Japanese and SEA women:-)

 

Marriage IMO was for a different world before socialism and living past 40.

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1 hour ago, transam said:

Well yeh, but mine were Vicars, I think.....????

Osho have made the final Testament. Maybe something for you? 
 

Search for the last testament by Osho you will find a serie of videos such as there is no tomorow, there is no god, drugs, love, sex, humor, there is no creator and much more. Enjoy

 

The man with the biggest collection of Roll Royces and Rolex watches, snd not lolexes!

 

Edited August 15, 2020 by Tagged

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Osho have made the final Testament. Maybe something for you? 
 

Search for the last testament by Osho you will find a serie of videos such as there is no tomorow, there is no god, drugs, love, sex, humor, there is no creator and much more. Enjoy

 

The man with the biggest collection of Roll Royces and Rolex watches, snd not lolexes!

 

I fail to see what that has to do with whether we believe in God or not.

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm way older than you.

I know of few successful marriages. I know of some that stay married just because it's convenient, or for the kids. Almost everyone I know that got married is divorced at least once.

The two most successful marriages I knew ended in widowhood in middle age.

 

A marriage will last if the couple are friends, as lust does not last. Too many people got married out of desperation and to the wrong person. Those marriages don't last.

 

No one knows what goes on behind others doors. Some that look happy are  miserable, with abuse, neglect, cheating ,addictions, etc, but put on a facade because of pride. Some look like they aren't happy but are content, and will live that way forever. Being friends helps the other things. If there is 100% trust, the marriage will last.

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10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No one knows what goes on behind others doors. Some that look happy are  miserable, with abuse, neglect, cheating ,addictions, etc, but put on a facade because of pride. Some look like they aren't happy but are content, and will live that way forever. Being friends helps the other things. If there is 100% trust, the marriage will last.

That was alot of negativity in the morning!

 

100% trust is impossible, 

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[Tagged]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I fail to see what that has to do with whether we believe in God or not.

Maybe you should ask yourself why you fail to see something I see is relevant in my reply to the op or transam!

 

Osho is very relevant if not highly relevant for the orign of the thread theme

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[mauGR1]

8 hours ago, transam said:

Well yeh, but mine were Vicars, I think.....????

Same, but different ????

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/15/2020 at 5:18 PM, Tagged said:

Maybe you should ask yourself why you fail to see something I see is relevant in my reply to the op or transam!

 

Osho is very relevant if not highly relevant for the orign of the thread theme

Unless Osho is God he's not relevant to the OP.

[Tagged]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unless Osho is God he's not relevant to the OP.

Any belief system is relevant to the thread. It might not be what you and OP had in mind, but he is a messenger quite high up there and only by time we will know how big he is going to be or forgotten as another brilliant lunatic. Or was it his diciples and followers who was lunatic? Thats the question. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Tagged said:

Any belief system is relevant to the thread. It might not be what you and OP had in mind, but he is a messenger quite high up there and only by time we will know how big he is going to be or forgotten as another brilliant lunatic. Or was it his diciples and followers who was lunatic? Thats the question. 

I don't think you should be telling the OP what is relevant.

 

No problem discussing ways of experiencing the divine, but to be on topic a post should have some connection to God. Far as could see your post was about a man. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't think you should be telling the OP what is relevant.

 

No problem discussing ways of experiencing the divine, but to be on topic a post should have some connection to God. Far as could see your post was about a man. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Again you trying to tell me what I should think or write. Right? 

[Sunmaster]

To be fair, Osho is a lot more relevant to the discussion at hand than several other topics we've discussed.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, Tagged said:

Again you trying to tell me what I should think or write. Right? 

"I don't think" is not "telling" you what to do.

 

Anything not related to God is off topic.

Edited August 17, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[mauGR1]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

"I don't think" is not "telling" you what to do.

 

Anything not related to God is off topic.

Agree on the first sentence, but if it's true that God is everything, everything is related to God.

[CMNightRider]

"Isaiah 45:1, This is perhaps the single most remarkable prophecy in the Bible.
One of the Most Astounding Biblical Prophecies

 

A person is named in v. 1 as Cyrus. Cyrus is an identifiable person in history, mentioned also in II Chronicles 36, Ezra 1-4, and Daniel 1-10. Cyrus ruled Persia from 559-530BC. Nothing amazing so far, except when you turn back and look when Isaiah wrote this chapter.

 

For the biblical facts, look at Isaiah 6. When did Isaiah start writing? “The year that King Uzziah died”. When was that? 739BC. That date happens to be exactly 200 years BEFORE Cyrus was the King, that Ezra & Daniel are writing about.

 

Now, to help that event sink in, let me give you a modern equivalent. Russia recently elected a man named Vladmir Putin to be the next President of Russia. On March 4, 2012 Putin won the presidential elections of Russia. That is just a fact of history.

 

But, for a well know and recognized servant of God to have publically predicted that momentous event in writing, 200 years ago, would be astounding.

 

There are three very well known and godly men who lived 200 years ago. Most of us in this place have heard of one or more of them. They are pioneer missionary to India William Carey, American missionary Adoniram Judson, and famed orphanage founder and man of faith George Muller of Bristol, England. So, all three of those servants of God were alive 200 years ago.

 

What you are reading in Isaiah 45 about Cyrus being in power would be the historic equivalent of one of those three missionaries writing and publishing, and distributing the world over, that a man by the name of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin would become the President of Russia, in the future.

 

Only God would know such a thing. Only God could know who will rule on Earth and when. Only God's Word has historic facts prophetically revealed hundreds and even thousands of years before they happen.

 

In God’s Word we hold history written in advance, which is called Biblical Prophecy.

 

The Book of Revelation is the singles greatest tool to understand the future because it is the only book that clearly spells out each step from today to the end. Each of the stages of God’s plans is found in another part of the Bible, but only Revelation features them all in one place, and explained in detail."

 

The Bible is the word of God.  Anyone who can read this book in its entirety and walk away as a non-believer, is a fool.  You have until you take your last breath to ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and repent.  Everyone who reads this will remember this above written message after they take their last breath.  Some will say, I am so happy I listened to that guy, and others will say, I wish I had listened to that guy.  Choose wisely and may God Bless.

[yodsak]

"It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it (i.e. the Book of Revelation), and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherence of our own nightly dreams."

—  Letter of Thomas Jefferson to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825.

[Sunmaster]

Incoming post by IvorBigun in 3....2....1....

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[Sunmaster]

Good to know that research of the healing and transformational properties of these substances is finally starting again. 

 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/psychedelic-drugs-lsd-active-agent-in-magic-mushrooms-to-treat-addiction-depression-anxiety-60-minutes-2020-08-16/

Edited August 22, 2020 by Sunmaster

[yodsak]

[yodsak]

 ''Bill Gates is using his coronavirus vaccine to place microchips into people. And that effort is really part  of a larger scheme -- how the Devil aims to mark the population with the number of the beast, as explained in the Book of Revelation''.  

           

 “When is Bill Gates’ serpent tongue going to come out of his mouth, and when will his horns and tail    

  appear?” “This man is building Lucifer’s Antichrist system. This guy is an enemy of the human race. This guy is an enemy of Almighty God. Bill Gates is turning out to be one very evil man.” — Pastor Rick Wiles

 

Texas lawmaker Jonathan Stickland called vaccines "sorcery"  in a social media post criticising a vaccine expert. Stickland  – a state representative who describes himself as a "Christian Conservative" and a "Liberty Loving Republican" in his Twitter bio – made the comment as part of an extended critique of vaccines and the scientific community.

 

North Texas televangelist Gloria Copeland, a member of President Donald Trump’s evangelical executive advisory board, told her followers last week that they didn’t need flu vaccinations because Jesus already “redeemed us from the curse of the flu.”

[Tagged]

3 hours ago, yodsak said:

 ''Bill Gates is using his coronavirus vaccine to place microchips into people. And that effort is really part  of a larger scheme -- how the Devil aims to mark the population with the number of the beast, as explained in the Book of Revelation''.  

           

 “When is Bill Gates’ serpent tongue going to come out of his mouth, and when will his horns and tail    

  appear?” “This man is building Lucifer’s Antichrist system. This guy is an enemy of the human race. This guy is an enemy of Almighty God. Bill Gates is turning out to be one very evil man.” — Pastor Rick Wiles

 

Texas lawmaker Jonathan Stickland called vaccines "sorcery"  in a social media post criticising a vaccine expert. Stickland  – a state representative who describes himself as a "Christian Conservative" and a "Liberty Loving Republican" in his Twitter bio – made the comment as part of an extended critique of vaccines and the scientific community.

 

North Texas televangelist Gloria Copeland, a member of President Donald Trump’s evangelical executive advisory board, told her followers last week that they didn’t need flu vaccinations because Jesus already “redeemed us from the curse of the flu.”

Good news for those who believe in evolotion! Survival of the fittest will sort out those believers in the end.

[partington]

On 8/19/2020 at 7:36 AM, CMNightRider said:

"Isaiah 45:1, This is perhaps the single most remarkable prophecy in the Bible.
One of the Most Astounding Biblical Prophecies

 

A person is named in v. 1 as Cyrus. Cyrus is an identifiable person in history, mentioned also in II Chronicles 36, Ezra 1-4, and Daniel 1-10. Cyrus ruled Persia from 559-530BC. Nothing amazing so far, except when you turn back and look when Isaiah wrote this chapter.

 

For the biblical facts, look at Isaiah 6. When did Isaiah start writing? “The year that King Uzziah died”. When was that? 739BC. That date happens to be exactly 200 years BEFORE Cyrus was the King, that Ezra & Daniel are writing about.

 

Now, to help that event sink in, let me give you a modern equivalent. Russia recently elected a man named Vladmir Putin to be the next President of Russia. On March 4, 2012 Putin won the presidential elections of Russia. That is just a fact of history.

 

But, for a well know and recognized servant of God to have publically predicted that momentous event in writing, 200 years ago, would be astounding.

 

There are three very well known and godly men who lived 200 years ago. Most of us in this place have heard of one or more of them. They are pioneer missionary to India William Carey, American missionary Adoniram Judson, and famed orphanage founder and man of faith George Muller of Bristol, England. So, all three of those servants of God were alive 200 years ago.

 

What you are reading in Isaiah 45 about Cyrus being in power would be the historic equivalent of one of those three missionaries writing and publishing, and distributing the world over, that a man by the name of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin would become the President of Russia, in the future.

 

Only God would know such a thing. Only God could know who will rule on Earth and when. Only God's Word has historic facts prophetically revealed hundreds and even thousands of years before they happen.

 

In God’s Word we hold history written in advance, which is called Biblical Prophecy.

 

The Book of Revelation is the singles greatest tool to understand the future because it is the only book that clearly spells out each step from today to the end. Each of the stages of God’s plans is found in another part of the Bible, but only Revelation features them all in one place, and explained in detail."

 

The Bible is the word of God.  Anyone who can read this book in its entirety and walk away as a non-believer, is a fool.  You have until you take your last breath to ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and repent.  Everyone who reads this will remember this above written message after they take their last breath.  Some will say, I am so happy I listened to that guy, and others will say, I wish I had listened to that guy.  Choose wisely and may God Bless.

But, according to modern biblical scholarship, the book of Isaiah was written by different authors at different times from the 700's BC through the reign of Cyrus in 500's BC and later, and especially that Isaiah 45 dates from around 536BC, that is, during the reign of Cyrus.

 

So to believe this is a prophecy you must ignore or refute the scholarship that assigns the different parts of Isaiah to very different time periods.

 

This seems to be a generally uncontroversial view as it's in the Encyclopedia Britannica (compiled by experts in the various fields and not considered a radical source) :

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Book-of-Isaiah

 

"Book of Isaiah, also spelled Isaias, one of the major prophetical writings of the Old Testament. The superscription identifies Isaiah as the son of Amoz and his book as “the vision of Isaiah . . . concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.”

 

According to 6:1, Isaiah received his call “in the year that King Uzziah died” (742 BC), and his latest recorded activity is dated in 701 BC. Only chapters 1–39, however, can be assigned to this period. Chapters 40–66 are much later in origin and therefore known as Deutero-Isaiah (Second Isaiah). Sometimes a further distinction is made between Deutero-Isaiah (chapters 40–55) and Trito-Isaiah (chapters 56–66).

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Chapters 1–39 consist of numerous sayings and reports of Isaiah along with several narratives about the prophet that are attributed to his disciples. The growth of the book (1–39) was a gradual process, its final form dating from perhaps as late as the 5th century BC a date suggested by the arrangement of the materials and the late additions.

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Deutero-Isaiah (40–55), consisting of a collection of oracles, songs, and discourses, dates from the Babylonian Exile (6th century BC).

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Trito-Isaiah (56–66), coming from a still later period, reflects a Palestinian point of view, with the latter chapters in particular addressed to the cultic concerns of the restored community. The diversity of materials in these chapters suggests multiple authorship. How the three “Isaiahs” came together is not known."

 

 

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[Heppinger]

17 hours ago, yodsak said:

 ''Bill Gates is using his coronavirus vaccine to place microchips into people. And that effort is really part  of a larger scheme -- how the Devil aims to mark the population with the number of the beast, as explained in the Book of Revelation''.  

           

 “When is Bill Gates’ serpent tongue going to come out of his mouth, and when will his horns and tail    

  appear?” “This man is building Lucifer’s Antichrist system. This guy is an enemy of the human race. This guy is an enemy of Almighty God. Bill Gates is turning out to be one very evil man.” — Pastor Rick Wiles

 

Texas lawmaker Jonathan Stickland called vaccines "sorcery"  in a social media post criticising a vaccine expert. Stickland  – a state representative who describes himself as a "Christian Conservative" and a "Liberty Loving Republican" in his Twitter bio – made the comment as part of an extended critique of vaccines and the scientific community.

 

North Texas televangelist Gloria Copeland, a member of President Donald Trump’s evangelical executive advisory board, told her followers last week that they didn’t need flu vaccinations because Jesus already “redeemed us from the curse of the flu.”

Don't know about serpent tongues and all of that, but anyone trying to pass off Melinda as female isn't to be trusted in my book.

[Heppinger]

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

 

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

 

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

 

[yodsak]

 

On 8/19/2020 at 1:36 PM, CMNightRider said:

The Bible is the word of God.

 Research reveals that Biblical literalism is strongly correlated with a host of social maladies and inhumane world-views. For instance, people who think the Bible is the literal word of God are more likely to physically abuse their children, harbour hatred of homosexuals, deny the evidence for climate change, love semi-automatic assault weapons, oppose women’s equality, oppose humane treatment of animals, oppose universal-subsidised health care, and to vote for incompetent, unintelligent, unhinged men for president. 

            

 The Bible fosters moral-outsourcing, which is when an individual does not base their moral decisions on their own conscience, or on matters of harming or helping others, or on empathy and compassion, but on simply and blindly obeying the commandments of a magic invisible deity. — Psychology Today  

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, yodsak said:

 

 Research reveals that Biblical literalism is strongly correlated with a host of social maladies and inhumane world-views. For instance, people who think the Bible is the literal word of God are more likely to physically abuse their children, harbour hatred of homosexuals, deny the evidence for climate change, love semi-automatic assault weapons, oppose women’s equality, oppose humane treatment of animals, oppose universal-subsidised health care, and to vote for incompetent, unintelligent, unhinged men for president. 

            

 The Bible fosters moral-outsourcing, which is when an individual does not base their moral decisions on their own conscience, or on matters of harming or helping others, or on empathy and compassion, but on simply and blindly obeying the commandments of a magic invisible deity. — Psychology Today  

What "research"? No links so it's just your opinion.

I'm calling BS on For instance, people who think the Bible is the literal word of God are more likely to physically abuse their children, harbour hatred of homosexuals, deny the evidence for climate change, love semi-automatic assault weapons, oppose women’s equality, oppose humane treatment of animals, oppose universal-subsidised health care, and to vote for incompetent, unintelligent, unhinged men for president. 

Cruelty is not confined to Bible believers- it is a failing of mankind in general.

 

harbour hatred of homosexuals

How many homeosexuals have been stoned to death in the past many years by Christians?

 

How about something on the millions that take the Koran literally? Muslims also believe in God and follow religion, but there is little comment about them on here.

Likewise with Indian religions, all of which have a God.

 

Seems the atheists believe that only Christianity exists to be spurned.

Edited August 24, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[fredwiggy]

2 hours ago, yodsak said:

 

 Research reveals that Biblical literalism is strongly correlated with a host of social maladies and inhumane world-views. For instance, people who think the Bible is the literal word of God are more likely to physically abuse their children, harbour hatred of homosexuals, deny the evidence for climate change, love semi-automatic assault weapons, oppose women’s equality, oppose humane treatment of animals, oppose universal-subsidised health care, and to vote for incompetent, unintelligent, unhinged men for president. 

            

 The Bible fosters moral-outsourcing, which is when an individual does not base their moral decisions on their own conscience, or on matters of harming or helping others, or on empathy and compassion, but on simply and blindly obeying the commandments of a magic invisible deity. — Psychology Today  

I believe a lot, or all of the Bible is the word of God, although man may have interpreted it wrong in writing some of it. I don't hit my children, my son is gay, I've known about climate change for over 35 years and knew it was coming, I'm not a chauvinist and believe women are equals, except that the man is the head of the household, semi auto weapons are okay for hunting and fun shooting, love animals and hate those that abuse them, think health care should be paid for by the government and didn't vote for Trump, nor any other president because I think they're all corrupt liars.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I believe a lot, or all of the Bible is the word of God, although man may have interpreted it wrong in writing some of it. I don't hit my children, my son is gay, I've known about climate change for over 35 years and knew it was coming, I'm not a chauvinist and believe women are equals, except that the man is the head of the household, semi auto weapons are okay for hunting and fun shooting, love animals and hate those that abuse them, think health care should be paid for by the government and didn't vote for Trump, nor any other president because I think they're all corrupt liars.

Agree with everything you wrote, except men as head of household. IMO it doesn't matter as long as decisions are mutual and for the benefit of all in the family. My father was head of the household and was really really bad at it. My mother would have been a far better head of household.

[Tagged]

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I believe a lot, or all of the Bible is the word of God, although man may have interpreted it wrong in writing some of it. I don't hit my children, my son is gay, I've known about climate change for over 35 years and knew it was coming, I'm not a chauvinist and believe women are equals, except that the man is the head of the household, semi auto weapons are okay for hunting and fun shooting, love animals and hate those that abuse them, think health care should be paid for by the government and didn't vote for Trump, nor any other president because I think they're all corrupt liars.

I believe socialists are more likely to abuse drugs, but most socialists I know do not, and same the other way around. Can not fingerpoint stereo types like the post above. 

 

But we know in our country, that there is more muslims to be conducted doing abuse of their women, do not treat the equal (Mosk have special rules for women and men, as buddhist temples do the same, some temples women is not allowed)

 

we know some thai men abuse their women, but I would say it goes both ways here in Thailand. 

 

Abuse Can be a cultural thing, but mostly a individual thing. 

Edited August 24, 2020 by Tagged