Do you believe in God and why

[Isaanbiker]

Of course, I do. He liked pole dancers as much as any other man who isn't on the other side of the fence. 

 

    Jesus knew exactly what he wanted. 

[Isaanbiker]

5 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

And  what a lovely caring kind God you choose to "believe" in. Can't  decide which is the biggest joke here ,the God, or  your response.........nah God  still wins.

No need for   your sympathy thanks

   I'll pray for your sins. ( But please send 10,000 baht to my PayPal account). 

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

????? Why do you think that "God" has to conform to a human condition? Does God even know that we exist? Are we the equivalent of an ant farm?

"God" is unknowable by mere humans that know nothing, but think they do in their arrogance and pride.

Why would a being that created the universe which is beyond our ability to understand give a passing glance at us busily destroying the planet we were given to live on?

Of course if God did, he/ she/ it might conclude that we were a mistake and wipe us out so something better could take over.

So you are not talking about the jewish / christian / muslim god? (like most of the other posters).

More a wishy washy third age thing, a principle?

Fine for me, that is at least not harmfull to human beings.

[oldhippy]

28 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

No need to shout!

For his repentance he should shout a beer.

[CMNightRider]

1 hour ago, gunderhill said:

Why, example if  you  cool water it "creates"  ice,  the temperature drop "created"  it, nothing more nothing mystical about it, why not the same for "everything" ie a chain of events = universe, no need for "creator"

What???  You have to be kidding me, lol.  Have you figured out how to create something from nothing yet, lol.  Maybe you can start with something easy like a tree, and then go for a brain with an IQ level above your age.  That would be impressive.   

[Tagged]

2 hours ago, gunderhill said:

Why, example if  you  cool water it "creates"  ice,  the temperature drop "created"  it, nothing more nothing mystical about it, why not the same for "everything" ie a chain of events = universe, no need for "creator"

Well, nobody can be surten about anything, so if a creator, there must be a creator who created the creator, right? 

 

I do not believe anything, because I do not know! And I believe nobody know, it is just a forced trust on something

[gunderhill]

2 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

What???  You have to be kidding me, lol.  Have you figured out how to create something from nothing yet, lol.  Maybe you can start with something easy like a tree, and then go for a brain with an IQ level above your age.  That would be impressive.   

Seems I cant create claptrap but you seem to be doing quite  well.

[Sunmaster]

Much has been talked about The Ultimate Force here. More often than not in a negative way, because this indescribable Unknown was equaled to the way we puny humans have interpreted and organized this Force. This interpretation and institutionalized partial truth will never even come close to the real thing. Yes, and that includes all so-called books written by "God" or any of his prophets. 
Let me say it again: NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Every personal opinion or belief, every book written about it, every prophetic vision, revelation, ecstatic breakthrough, every rational and logical deduction, are nothing but imperfect approximations of the REAL thing. Tiny pieces of the eternal puzzle that is LIFE.
 

Again, for those who continue to freely interchange ALL THAT IS with religion...... IT'S NOT THE BLOODY SAME. One is the actual thing, the second one is a poor attempt at explaining the first one. It's like comparing a grain of sand with the vastness of the universe, times 100 billion.
(You'll forgive me for shouting, but sometimes it's necessary).

 

Still, driven by the spiritual hunger, the thirst for meaning and insatiable quest for knowledge, some of the most beautiful human accomplishments have been created. I wanted to highlight some of the beauty that has risen from this quest in this and in the following posts. 
Yes, horrible things have been done in the name of religions, we can all agree on that. The dogmas are very old and change doesn't come easy to them.

At the same time, wonderful things have been created to express the love to Spirit.

 

 

 

[Tagged]

6 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Much has been talked about The Ultimate Force here. More often than not in a negative way, because this indescribable Unknown was equaled to the way we puny humans have interpreted and organized this Force. This interpretation and institutionalized partial truth will never even come close to the real thing. Yes, and that includes all so-called books written by "God" or any of his prophets. 
Let me say it again: NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Every personal opinion or belief, every book written about it, every prophetic vision, revelation, ecstatic breakthrough, every rational and logical deduction, are nothing but imperfect approximations of the REAL thing. Tiny pieces of the eternal puzzle that is LIFE.
 

Again, for those who continue to freely interchange ALL THAT IS with religion...... IT'S NOT THE BLOODY SAME. One is the actual thing, the second one is a poor attempt at explaining the first one. It's like comparing a grain of sand with the vastness of the universe, times 100 billion.
(You'll forgive me for shouting, but sometimes it's necessary).

 

Still, driven by the spiritual hunger, the thirst for meaning and insatiable quest for knowledge, some of the most beautiful human accomplishments have been created. I wanted to highlight some of the beauty that has risen from this quest in this and in the following posts. 
Yes, horrible things have been done in the name of religions, we can all agree on that. The dogmas are very old and change doesn't come easy to them.

At the same time, wonderful things have been created to express the love to Spirit.

 

 

 

Psycotic have its beauty to!

Edited September 5, 2019 by Tagged

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Psycotic have its beauty to!

Hopefully you're not talking for yourself.

[gunderhill]

See  how  much your "god"  cares in 65  million years

 

[Tagged]

47 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Hopefully you're not talking for yourself.

Have you seen the list of famous psycotic people? 

 

Michelangelo, Lincoln, just to mention a few. Every human, who had a dream, vision, and managed to carry it out, even it involved great risk, might had some psychic mental issues and struggles. Greatness doesnt come easy ????

 

So Im not sure if I should be flattered or insulted?

 

However copycats will only be copycats, no matter how great the matter is. 

 

I guess Jesus followed many great teachers, and Krishna and Budda might had some influence as well.

[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, Tagged said:

Have you seen the list of famous psycotic people? 

 

Michelangelo, Lincoln, just to mention a few. Every human, who had a dream, vision, and managed to carry it out, even it involved great risk, might had some psychic mental issues and struggles. Greatness doesnt come easy ????

 

So Im not sure if I should be flattered or insulted?

 

However copycats will only be coapycats, no matter how great the matter is. 

 

I guess Jesus followed many great teachers, and Krishna and Budda might had some influence as well.

I understand now better the meaning of your post, and of course I tend to agree with you to an extent, but what has religious belief to do with it? Einstein, Dali', J.Hendrix were all quite eccentric geniuses, but they were not known to be religious fanatics.

[Elad]

16 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why would a being that created the universe which is beyond our ability to understand give a passing glance at us busily destroying the planet we were given to live on?

As mentioned before, the Earth didn't form purposely for life to exist on it. All life on Earth has evolved and adapted to the conditions that the planet formed. If the conditions on earth were different then we would've evolved different to those conditions.

 

For example, if the magnetic field surrounding the planet was weaker then we would have evolved thicker skin to protect us from more intense radiation at the surface. If the planet had more mass so that gravity was say 1.5 g at the surface, then humans would be shorter, more muscular with a thicker skeleton.

 

IMO planet Earth is far from perfect for life and yet it's still teaming with it. There will be millions of planets in our Galaxy alone that are more suitable for the life that inhabits them than ours. 

 

Maybe the Earth would be more suited for humans if gravity at the surface was more like 0.75 g, that way we wouldn't use as much energy to get around, and that includes our automobiles, planes, trains etc.. and therefore using less fossil fuels and not destroying the planet to much.   

Edited September 5, 2019 by Elad

[CMNightRider]

Evolution is Scientifically Impossible

 

Evolution is a theory developed one hundred and forty years ago by Charles Darwin (N/A actually, by his grandfather in 1794 - before Charles was even born), before science had the evidence available to prove the theory false.

His famous book, On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, has a title that is now known to be scientifically false. New species cannot evolve by natural selection. Modern scientific discoveries are proving evolution to be impossible. No new scientific discoveries have been found to support the Theory of Evolution.

Life did not start with a bolt of lightning striking a pond of water as claimed by the main stream scientists.

Kids are taught that life can evolve given enough time. This is a false statement without any scientific support.

They are taught that if given enough time, a monkey at a typewriter could punch keys at random and eventually type President's Abraham Lincoln Gettysburg Address. This is nonsense.

Time does not make impossible things possible. As an example, a computer was programmed in an attempt to arrive at the simple 26-letter alphabet. After 35,000,000,000,000 (35 trillion) attempts it has only arrived at 14 letters correctly.

What are the odds that a simple single cell organism could evolve given the complexity of more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations all in the correct places? Never in eternity! Time does not make impossible things possible.
 

[Sunmaster]

24 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

Evolution is Scientifically Impossible

 

Evolution is a theory developed one hundred and forty years ago by Charles Darwin (N/A actually, by his grandfather in 1794 - before Charles was even born), before science had the evidence available to prove the theory false.

His famous book, On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, has a title that is now known to be scientifically false. New species cannot evolve by natural selection. Modern scientific discoveries are proving evolution to be impossible. No new scientific discoveries have been found to support the Theory of Evolution.

Life did not start with a bolt of lightning striking a pond of water as claimed by the main stream scientists.

Kids are taught that life can evolve given enough time. This is a false statement without any scientific support.

They are taught that if given enough time, a monkey at a typewriter could punch keys at random and eventually type President's Abraham Lincoln Gettysburg Address. This is nonsense.

Time does not make impossible things possible. As an example, a computer was programmed in an attempt to arrive at the simple 26-letter alphabet. After 35,000,000,000,000 (35 trillion) attempts it has only arrived at 14 letters correctly.

What are the odds that a simple single cell organism could evolve given the complexity of more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations all in the correct places? Never in eternity! Time does not make impossible things possible.
 

While I agree that life is not just a random occurrence, it doesn't mean that the world was created in 6 days either.
Animals, humans included, have the ability to adapt and evolve. Just look at skin pigmentation based on the location people live in. 

[Tagged]

2 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

Evolution is Scientifically Impossible

Kids are taught that life can evolve given enough time. This is a false statement without any scientific support.

 

And clima changes is falsery? It is gods fist because he want to punish humans for not be his good people. 

[CMNightRider]

2 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

While I agree that life is not just a random occurrence, it doesn't mean that the world was created in 6 days either.
Animals, humans included, have the ability to adapt and evolve. Just look at skin pigmentation based on the location people live in. 

Try looking at DNA in humans, animals, sea life, and plant life, to see the work of God.  The Creator (God) who inspired over forty people to write the Bible over a 1500 year span, said He created eveything in six days.  It is certainly your choice to believe or not believe.      

[ThaiBunny]

1 minute ago, CMNightRider said:

Try looking at DNA in humans, animals, sea life, and plant life, to see the work of God.  The Creator (God) who inspired over forty people to write the Bible over a 1500 year span, said He created eveything in six days.  It is certainly your choice to believe or not believe.      

Who created God?

[CMNightRider]

32 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

Who created God?

The view regarding God that is set forth consistently in the Bible is this: He did not come from anywhere.

No one made the Creator of the universe. He had no beginning, and will have no ending. He is the eternal, self-existing Being.

Here is what the Bible says about who made God:

God is eternal

God is everlasting in nature (Isa. 40:28), which is to say, he is eternal as to his very essence (Rom. 16:26; 1 Tim. 1:17). His existence is “from everlasting to everlasting.”

Before the material creation was spoken into existence, he always was (Psa. 90:2).

God is self-existing

The Lord revealed himself to Moses as the “I AM THAT I AM” (Ex. 3:14). The “I AM” expression is related to the Hebrew name for God, Yahweh (LORD — KJV, or Jehovah — see ASV footnote). This was the most sacred name for God.

The term Yahweh occurs more than 6,800 times in the Old Testament. The word is believed to be a form of the verb hayah, which signifies “to be,” ultimately meaning “the eternal One” or “self-existing One.”

God’s existence is underived; no one made him. He simply always was.

 

[ThaiBunny]

3 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

The view regarding God that is set forth consistently in the Bible is this: He did not come from anywhere.

That's self-referencing. "The Bible says ..." is meaningless unless you believe that the Bible is the "Word of God". But if God doesn't exist there is no role for the Bible as His Word.  On the other hand you are admitting that it is possible that something comes from nothing. Why limit it to "God"?

Edited September 6, 2019 by ThaiBunny

[alan grice]

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[4675636b596f75]

God told me I have to believe in him.  It's in the Bible.

[ThaiBunny]

2 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

God told me I have to believe in him.  It's in the Bible.

Your god has balls? That's what defines the male gender isn't it?

[Tagged]

4 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

The view regarding God that is set forth consistently in the Bible is this: He did not come from anywhere.

No one made the Creator of the universe. He had no beginning, and will have no ending. He is the eternal, self-existing Being.

Here is what the Bible says about who made God:

God is eternal

God is everlasting in nature (Isa. 40:28), which is to say, he is eternal as to his very essence (Rom. 16:26; 1 Tim. 1:17). His existence is “from everlasting to everlasting.”

Before the material creation was spoken into existence, he always was (Psa. 90:2).

God is self-existing

The Lord revealed himself to Moses as the “I AM THAT I AM” (Ex. 3:14). The “I AM” expression is related to the Hebrew name for God, Yahweh (LORD — KJV, or Jehovah — see ASV footnote). This was the most sacred name for God.

The term Yahweh occurs more than 6,800 times in the Old Testament. The word is believed to be a form of the verb hayah, which signifies “to be,” ultimately meaning “the eternal One” or “self-existing One.”

God’s existence is underived; no one made him. He simply always was.

 

May I ask your background, and how you become a true believer? 

 

Why you feel so strong the bible is from god, and not a continiums story made up by time and self concious by great This family book, clearly identify a tribe, who needed the unity to survive trought rough times, with great challenges and also a political tool when it finely got in hands of romans, and they saw the power of unify people trough one god and one religion. Later copied by Mohammed to win people over and conquer land and resources. 

 

The Abraham books, is truly a conquer religion and political tool in my eyes. 

[4675636b596f75]

3 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

Your god has balls? That's what defines the male gender isn't it?

Balls, blocks, bricks, wood, and everything in between.  In quantity.

 

[CMNightRider]

7 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

That's self-referencing. "The Bible says ..." is meaningless unless you believe that the Bible is the "Word of God". But if God doesn't exist there is no role for the Bible as His Word.  On the other hand you are admitting that it is possible that something comes from nothing. Why limit it to "God"?

Well, ThaiBunny hold that thought and let us know how it works out for you.  You have until your last breath to figure this out.   

 

 

[ThaiBunny]

Just now, CMNightRider said:

Well, ThaiBunny hold that thought and let us know how it works out for you.  You have until your last breath to figure this out.  

So you'll be waiting for me to have had my last breath and then let you know how it works out for me?

[oldhippy]

Most posters here are concentrating on that jewish cult leader that later got adopted by christians and next by muslims.

Why?

What's wrong with the Greek / Roman / Hindu etc gods?

 

Personally, I think there is something to be said for the gods in "Eric the Viking": a Monty Python movie that depicts the gods as spoiled children.

So, to all the bible believers: prove me that this is not The Truth, as revealed by the prophet Cleese.

 

 

 

[ThaiBunny]

33 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Personally, I think there is something to be said for the gods in "Eric the Viking": a Monty Python movie that depicts the gods as spoiled children.

That's exactly how the Greeks viewed their gods