Fire devastates Notre-Dame Cathedral, centuries-old Parisian landmark

[stevenl]

12 minutes ago, fantom said:

After the Windsor Castle fire £20,000,000 was spent on fire prevention measures, I wonder if there was any fire management measures of any significance at Notre Dame. The thing went up like a bonfire.

 

Also just why should the populations around the world be asked to chip in for the restoration? After the Windsor fire the Queen stumped up the renovation costs as it was her property. Why doesnt the Catholic church / Vatican assume responsibility for the renovation?

Maybe they do.

[lannarebirth]

13 minutes ago, fantom said:

After the Windsor Castle fire £20,000,000 was spent on fire prevention measures, I wonder if there was any fire management measures of any significance at Notre Dame. The thing went up like a bonfire.

 

Also just why should the populations around the world be asked to chip in for the restoration? After the Windsor fire the Queen stumped up the renovation costs as it was her property. Why doesnt the Catholic church / Vatican assume responsibility for the renovation?

The first pledge I saw was from a private individual, a Frenchman, for $100 Million Euros. They'll find the money.

[Tongjaw]

5 minutes ago, fantom said:

After the Windsor Castle fire £20,000,000 was spent on fire prevention measures, I wonder if there was any fire management measures of any significance at Notre Dame. The thing went up like a bonfire.

 

Also just why should the populations around the world be asked to chip in for the restoration? After the Windsor fire the Queen stumped up the renovation costs as it was her property. Why doesnt the Catholic church / Vatican assume responsibility for the renovation?

Notre-Dame cathedral building is owned by the French State and has been since a law was passed in 1905.

The Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, the have sole rights to use it for religious purposes. 

[Snow Leopard]

1 hour ago, gunderhill said:

Concrete is  very long lived, ask the Romans

You know what I was getting at you clinker ????

[Rimmer]

A couple of posts citing a three year old event have been removed also replies

 

A couple of troll posts have also been removed

[hotchilli]

Hope he got out in time?

 

[Aforek]

1 hour ago, Tongjaw said:

I think your replying to the wrong person here. 

I’ve been to Notre-Dame a few times and I know it’s history. Remarkable building and a masterpiece of engineering. 

I know, I quoted for the whole message, but only your answer was here

sorry, I answered to the guy who said " just a building ", not your message 

as you see, I put a "like " to your message 

[Rimmer]

A conspiracy troll post and one reply have been removed

 

Also an off topic post citing a 2016 event

[Basil B]

27 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Hope he got out in time?

 

Yes, was seen in Soi 6 last night, safe and well.

[Snow Leopard]

I understand what the French must be feeling but getting other countries to pay for the restoration is not what I was expecting, Should I have thought that through more?

 

The 41-year-old president described the 850-year-old monument at the heart of Paris as "the epicentre of our life" and the cathedral of "all the French", whether religious or not.

 

He said that "starting tomorrow" he would launch an international appeal for the restoration of the beloved church.

[tifino]

wonder if their Insurance carries New for Old?

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, maxcorrigan said:

Yes she did, but that was after it was reported that the tax payers would cover the cost which caused an outrage!, only then did the Queen step in!

 

1 hour ago, Tongjaw said:

Notre-Dame cathedral building is owned by the French State and has been since a law was passed in 1905.

The Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, the have sole rights to use it for religious purposes. 

Likewise Windsor Castle is owned by the state... 

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Funding
It was initially feared that it would cost £60 million to restore the castle, though the final cost was £36.5 million, and that drying out the castle would take 10 years. Occupied royal palaces like Windsor Castle are too valuable to insure, and items in the Royal Collection are not insured against loss. An independent trust for private donations towards the cost of the restoration was announced on 16 February 1993 by the Queen's bank, Coutts. On 29 April 1993 it was announced that 70% of the cost would be met by charging the public for entry into the castle precincts and £8 for admission to Buckingham Palace for the next five years. The Queen contributed £2 million of her own money, and she agreed to start paying income tax from 1993 onwards, making her the first British monarch to do so since the 1930s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Windsor_Castle_fire

Initial reports of the Windsor Castle fire suspected contractors doing restoration work, but I can not find any reference to an official inquiry, reports differ as to the cause, curtains up against a spotlight, spotlight up against curtains, spotlight shining on curtains...

 

Again first reports will suspect contractors, just hope they are well insured.

[Odysseus123]

The French will do it!

..and they will be assisted by many contributions from overseas

 

One only has to witness the resurrected cities and towns of France and Belgium after the Great War.

 

I once listened to Charles Gounod's 'St Cecilia Mass" there...the beautiful cathedral will rise again.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2019 by Odysseus123

[farcanell]

2 hours ago, Aforek said:

 do you think that in 2019 we can build something like this, with the methods of 800 years ago ? 

I doubt 850 year old technology would get anything much done these days, let alone 850 year old labor laws.

[Basil B]

One thing for sure it will be restored...

 

How much will it cost? how long will it take? going to take days to finish dampling down and making safe before they can start assessing the damage.

[sjbrownderby]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

I suppose that had to come. At least you waited until the end of the page.

There is a very serious side to my post and you will find it if you look for the real reason why Victor Hugo wrote the book in the first place. 

[spidermike007]

One wonders how this could have happened. A worker tossing a cigarette butt in the direction of a rag soaked in turpentine, or paint thinner? Igniting the entire wood scaffolding? Is something like that possible? It took 200 years to build, and 8 hours to destroy? If so, what would be an appropriate penalty for such an act?

[dick dasterdly]

22 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

One wonders how this could have happened. A worker tossing a cigarette butt in the direction of a rag soaked in turpentine, or paint thinner? Igniting the entire wood scaffolding? Is something like that possible? It took 200 years to build, and 8 hours to destroy? If so, what would be an appropriate penalty for such an act?

Quite.

 

How did this horror happen?

Edited April 16, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[Beachcomber]

A sad and tragic loss.

 

Seems to be a trend for historic buildings to be catch fire whilst undergoing renovations. Over the years several have suffered similar fate, Windsor Castle comes to mind.

 

Hope the authorities take extra care during the current renovations of Big Ben.

 

[deonvz]

[joecoolfrog]

An iconic building , its a great shame.

[starseed]

The cathedral was in the midst of renovations, with some sections under scaffolding,

 

the culprit is in there somewhere

 

Blowlamp???

[tlandtday]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

One wonders how this could have happened. A worker tossing a cigarette butt in the direction of a rag soaked in turpentine, or paint thinner? Igniting the entire wood scaffolding? Is something like that possible? It took 200 years to build, and 8 hours to destroy? If so, what would be an appropriate penalty for such an act?

Highly suspicious to say the least.  Perhaps an intentional act against Catholicism?

[Odysseus123]

Hello "bizboi" why did you laugh at my post?

 

Having a few problems with the Great War or Charles Gounod?

 

Here is Amiens cathedral in 1918 and what it looks like today..

The French will rebuild again.

 

 

 

 

[Tony125]

2 hours ago, Snow Leopard said:

I understand what the French must be feeling but getting other countries to pay for the restoration is not what I was expecting, Should I have thought that through more?

 

The 41-year-old president described the 850-year-old monument at the heart of Paris as "the epicentre of our life" and the cathedral of "all the French", whether religious or not.

 

He said that "starting tomorrow" he would launch an international appeal for the restoration of the beloved church.

I don't see anything wrong asking for donations  just like so many GoFundMe requests on Social Media. Millions of people  not just Catholics or religious  people visited every year to admire the sheer size, grandeur and art and history of the place. 1 city/country might not be able to manage the costs to repair.

[Snow Leopard]

16 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

I don't see anything wrong asking for donations  just like so many GoFundMe requests on Social Media. Millions of people  not just Catholics or religious  people visited every year to admire the sheer size, grandeur and art and history of the place. 1 city/country might not be able to manage the costs to repair.

I saw that a French billionaire is going to pay for it. Not like the Vatican is short of a few bob is it?

[Odysseus123]

8 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

I saw that a French billionaire is going to pay for it. Not like the Vatican is short of a few bob is it?

Many people will pay for it.

 

Can you provide a link to the French billionaire..and his connections to the Vatican?

 

..and give any reasons as to why the French gov't and people will not assist in paying for it?

 

[Orton Rd]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

One wonders how this could have happened. A worker tossing a cigarette butt in the direction of a rag soaked in turpentine, or paint thinner? Igniting the entire wood scaffolding? Is something like that possible? It took 200 years to build, and 8 hours to destroy? If so, what would be an appropriate penalty for such an act?

Given the very strict EU h&s laws that sort of senario is almost impossible. But they already decided it was an accident, before any investigation is under way.

[Snow Leopard]

14 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Many people will pay for it.

 

Can you provide a link to the French billionaire..and his connections to the Vatican?

 

..and give any reasons as to why the French gov't and people will not assist in paying for it?

 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/62ac5270-6015-11e9-b285-3acd5d43599e

 

There is no link to the Vatican. I was saying that instead of a request to go fund me the Vatican could meet the cost easily. 

[ttrd]

10 hours ago, Oleolf said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47942786

 

It's a bit more than "just a building". I'm not religious but this is certainly a very sad moment. A historic and majestic symbol has been mostly destroyed.

Yes, and the fire it self may not be the last we will hear about - if and when the cause will be found it may be discovered that the fire didn't start by itself ...