Release of Mueller's Trump-Russia report looms as fight brews over redactions

[jcsmith]

23 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Why to let USA to stagnate for further 2 years with Trump being the president of the USA?

I don't disagree with you, but I think the problem is that the GOP will not impeach Trump. They'll tear down the FBI, concoct grand conspiracies which hurt the country, all the while watching the U.S. Foreign policy sink deeper and deeper before they do.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

I don't disagree with you, but I think the problem is that the GOP will not impeach Trump. They'll tear down the FBI, concoct grand conspiracies which hurt the country, all the while watching the U.S. Foreign policy sink deeper and deeper before they do.

I wonder and hope that this era of Anglo decline, will clear up the really bad actors, which have been running the show in both UK and USA.

 

The 1% protesters called this up a long time ago. I hope this turmoil will get these really bad actors out of the both Anglo governments. 

 

It has been a mess, for a decade or so.

 

The rest of us has been watching these latest episodes with ave, wondering how it will eventually end. 

 

[Guitarzan]

19 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I have changed my mind about this Mueller report. It should not be released at all. Trump's opponents are simply not mature enough to handle the contents. Trump eliminates ISIS - moan, moan, moan. Trump puts more minorities and colored people in work since records began - moan, moan, moan, Trump stops Kim firing rockets over Japan - moan, moan ,moan. Seriously, why bother. Bury the report. Ignore the left. Keep on draining that swamp and Making America Great Again.

 Yes indeed, these Russian hoaxers are either delusional or intentionally dishonest, perhaps a little of both.  I think by the time it's all read, and after they have their day or two in the media, there might be damaging information on the democrats, media, top FBI, CIA, and DOJ officials leading right up to Obama, that is unexpected. It was important Trump waited until the report was submitted to get everything on the record.  Trump's opponents I believe are gonna be in a world of hurt very soon. Trump has them all lined up in a nice neat little row.  Now, get out the popcorn kick back and let the fun begin.

Happy to see Trump has an AG that won't take <deleted> from these do nothing hoaxers.  

[Guitarzan]

1 hour ago, jcsmith said:

   1 hour ago,  oilinki said: 

Why to let USA to stagnate for further 2 years with Trump being the president of the USA?

Stagnate really?  The economy is at 3% growth, lowest unemployment rate, stock market is up. What the hell are you talking about.  Obama, said Trump would need a magic wand to get it GDP over 1.5%.  The only stagnation is on the left in the house and senate.  

[cbtstorm]

41 minutes ago, Guitarzan said:

 Yes indeed, these Russian hoaxers are either delusional or intentionally dishonest, perhaps a little of both.  I think by the time it's all read, and after they have their day or two in the media, there might be damaging information on the democrats, media, top FBI, CIA, and DOJ officials leading right up to Obama, that is unexpected. It was important Trump waited until the report was submitted to get everything on the record.  Trump's opponents I believe are gonna be in a world of hurt very soon. Trump has them all lined up in a nice neat little row.  Now, get out the popcorn kick back and let the fun begin.

Happy to see Trump has an AG that won't take <deleted> from these do nothing hoaxers.  

https://saraacarter.com/muellers-report-ends-witchhunt-but-whats-about-to-unfold-is-the-real-story/

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Silurian said:

 

Spin...spin...spin!  Whew, getting dizzy with all the misdirects.

 

 

I agree, but initially I thought you were talking for the other side.

 

[Cryingdick]

13 minutes ago, cbtstorm said:

https://saraacarter.com/muellers-report-ends-witchhunt-but-whats-about-to-unfold-is-the-real-story/

 

There will likely be some serious charges that can be proven for the people responsible for this. It's time to punch back bigly.

[Kelsall]

3 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

There will likely be some serious charges that can be proven for the people responsible for this. It's time to punch back bigly.

Yes.  This goes all the way to Obama.  Under normal circumstances, I would have believed Obama would skate, but not this time.  There's a new sheriff in town and he's aiming for truth and justice as he has recently demonstrated.  Obama's going down along with Brennan and all the others.

[thaibeachlovers]

44 minutes ago, Guitarzan said:

Stagnate really?  The economy is at 3% growth, lowest unemployment rate, stock market is up. What the hell are you talking about.  Obama, said Trump would need a magic wand to get it GDP over 1.5%.  The only stagnation is on the left in the house and senate.  

You are wasting your time talking about Trump's achievements on here.

Trump could banish all disease and sickness, feed the starving, enrich the poor, bring world peace and invent nuclear fusion, but some would still cling to the mantra of Trump bad, Trump bad, Trump bad.

Some even claim that the economy is good because of the previous White House occupant 55555555555555555555.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

TDS is really about "trump" fans that still support him knowing how utterly horrible he really is. 

He may indeed be utterly horrible, but when the best the Dems can come up with is "uncle Joe", millionaire "socialist" Bernie and liars like Warren, he'll be a shoo in for the elections.

The last election was between two horrible candidates, and the least horrible was elected. The next election looks like being a repeat.

 

If the Dems want to have the next president, they need to find another John Kennedy ( but without the womanising ). So far, none have emerged to fill his shoes. Possibly because politics is now so poisonous that no one with any sense would want to stand for POTUS if they have a family they love.

[Kelsall]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, it's a political decision. I don't agree with you that it would be that damaging if congress impeaches and the Quislings in the senate don't convict. This isn't Bill Clinton. This isn't about lying about adult consensual sex. This is ten counts of obstruction of justice and countless counts of presidential abuse of power. Mueller left it for congress to decide. It isn't for Barr or Fox News to decide. Mueller respected that a sitting president can't be indicted. But he was very clear, a sitting president CAN be impeached, and that's what the constitutional power of impeachment is about -- situations like this. But because of the timing now with 2020 coming up, of course it's still a political decision about whether to proceed. I have no predictions yet. It's way too early to know whether they will proceed but it's not too early to see they have strong grounds to proceed. 

A count means a criminal charge.  There are no counts, no criminal charges.  Impeach away, I say.  Trump will just call it out for what it is and it will end up helping him in 2020.  No matter what happens, Trump will win in 2020.

 

The only criminal charges coming out of this will be against Obama and his gang for attempting the bloodless coup.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Let's wait and see how this shakes out in the next few weeks. My initial take is we're in a grey area. There is enough to strongly consider impeachment but there isn't enough to make it necessary to impeach. 

LOL. The Trump haters on here have been adamant that there was something in the report to take Trump down, For the last 2 or something years we've been told that there is definitely something to jail him for. Not much "waiting to see" on the Trump haters side.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Kelsall said:

A count means a criminal charge.  There are no counts, no criminal charges.  Impeach away, I say.  Trump will just call it out for what it is and it will end up helping him in 2020.  No matter what happens, Trump will win in 2020.

Well said. The more the left rages, the more likely they make it that Trump will win. 

All they have is Trump hatred.

They should be coming up with great policies the public will vote for. Instead of shouting at Trump for trying to replace Obamacare, they should be coming up with a better alternative themselves.

The Dems have only themselves to blame if Trump wins again.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, oilinki said:

I wonder and hope that this era of Anglo decline, will clear up the really bad actors, which have been running the show in both UK and USA.

 

The 1% protesters called this up a long time ago. I hope this turmoil will get these really bad actors out of the both Anglo governments. 

 

It has been a mess, for a decade or so.

 

The rest of us has been watching these latest episodes with ave, wondering how it will eventually end. 

 

Regrettably trump conned enough of the minority of voters in the USA to get into power. trump appointed numerous 1% swamp creatures into senior positions, as well as passing policies / legislation to further enhance the 1% power and influence in trump's image. trump's campaign was based on lies and misinformation as to the future structure of US power elites. Now the damage of trump's policies have come to light one can only hope a 2020 candidate is elected who has the support to rectify the ignorance of trump's actions; on the down side will probably take a number of years to preposition the US as the Leader of the Free World.

[Guitarzan]

1 hour ago, cbtstorm said:

https://saraacarter.com/muellers-report-ends-witchhunt-but-whats-about-to-unfold-is-the-real-story/

 

Excellent! The only thing in the Mueller report that is troublesome is he found no American colluded with the Russians!  I can think of a few ... Hilary Clinton, John molesta Podesta, and Robert Mueller himself. 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/21/john_solomon_as_russia_collusion_fades_ukrainian_plot_to_help_clinton_emerges.html

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Regrettably trump conned enough of the minority of voters in the USA to get into power. trump appointed numerous 1% swamp creatures into senior positions, as well as passing policies / legislation to further enhance the 1% power and influence in trump's image. trump's campaign was based on lies and misinformation as to the future structure of US power elites. Now the damage of trump's policies have come to light one can only hope a 2020 candidate is elected who has the support to rectify the ignorance of trump's actions; on the down side will probably take a number of years to preposition the US as the Leader of the Free World.

What I understood, you already have the anti-vaccine procedure in action. That should take care of the swamp people problem. Erase 10% of the most gullible people and the rest of the people will act in more reasonable way.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Regrettably trump conned enough of the minority of voters in the USA to get into power. trump appointed numerous 1% swamp creatures into senior positions, as well as passing policies / legislation to further enhance the 1% power and influence in trump's image. trump's campaign was based on lies and misinformation as to the future structure of US power elites. Now the damage of trump's policies have come to light one can only hope a 2020 candidate is elected who has the support to rectify the ignorance of trump's actions; on the down side will probably take a number of years to preposition the US as the Leader of the Free World.

So far the candidates are more likely to give the election to Trump than win.

I too would like to see a great president like Jack Kennedy, but I fear US politics are now so horrid and poisonous that no sane person would ever even try now. When a 10 year old child is attacked just for being the son of a politician, US politics is very, very sick.

 

on the down side will probably take a number of years to preposition the US as the Leader of the Free World.

Some of us don't want the US to be the leader of us. Far as I'm concerned, they can take all their soldiers and go home. The rest of us can spend more on defence instead of relying on the US to do the job for us.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. The Trump haters on here have been adamant that there was something in the report to take Trump down, For the last 2 or something years we've been told that there is definitely something to jail him for. Not much "waiting to see" on the Trump haters side.

From the analysis released so far trump's actions were intended to shut down the investigation - obstruction of justice- but trump was saved by members of his administration who refused to action his requests. Further trump used the usual criminals tactics when responding to Mueller's written questions - I do not recall etc". Additionally there was crystal clear intent to obtain info from the Russians, again trump was saved from crossing over the line, but lied about the affair when assisting authoring the denial by his son.

 

In summary, whilst from a legal perspective trump allegedly did not cross over the line for criminal charges (Barr is so partisan his opinions are irrelevant) he has totally failed ethnics tests on numerous occasions. trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

[simple1]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So far the candidates are more likely to give the election to Trump than win.

I too would like to see a great president like Jack Kennedy, but I fear US politics are now so horrid and poisonous that no sane person would ever even try now. When a 10 year old child is attacked just for being the son of a politician, US politics is very, very sick.

 

on the down side will probably take a number of years to preposition the US as the Leader of the Free World.

Some of us don't want the US to be the leader of us. Far as I'm concerned, they can take all their soldiers and go home. The rest of us can spend more on defence instead of relying on the US to do the job for us.

You and I obviously have a different understanding of the meaning "Leader of the Free World". I am not talking to the Cold War, but guiding principles for democratic societies in the 21st Century. Unfortunately the current President of the US, to me, is the embodiment of the Ugly American in it's 21st Century manifestation.

[Cryingdick]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. The Trump haters on here have been adamant that there was something in the report to take Trump down, For the last 2 or something years we've been told that there is definitely something to jail him for. Not much "waiting to see" on the Trump haters side.

 

Yeah that was my thought. Now suddenly they want "cooler" heads to prevail. There is no quarter given at this point. 

[thaibeachlovers]

31 minutes ago, simple1 said:

From the analysis released so far trump's actions were intended to shut down the investigation - obstruction of justice- but trump was saved by members of his administration who refused to action his requests. Further trump used the usual criminals tactics when responding to Mueller's written questions - I do not recall etc". Additionally there was crystal clear intent to obtain info from the Russians, again trump was saved from crossing over the line, but lied about the affair when assisting authoring the denial by his son.

 

In summary, whilst from a legal perspective trump allegedly did not cross over the line for criminal charges (Barr is so partisan his opinions are irrelevant) he has totally failed ethnics tests on numerous occasions. trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

It would be nice if you made it clear that that was all your opinion, as it is.

It's not up to any of us as to judge whether Trump is fit to be POTUS. That is down to the voters of the US and they will have their chance in 2020

[thaibeachlovers]

23 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You and I obviously have a different understanding of the meaning "Leader of the Free World". I am not talking to the Cold War, but guiding principles for democratic societies in the 21st Century. Unfortunately the current President of the US, to me, is the embodiment of the Ugly American in it's 21st Century manifestation.

Ah, guiding principles is it?

Iran/ Contra, overthrow of elected governments, use of government agencies to bring illegal drugs into the US, illegal wars and wars based on lies; the list goes on. Is that the sort of guiding principles you want for the democratic countries of the world?

I can do without the "guiding principles" demonstrated to the world by previous US administrations.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It would be nice if you made it clear that that was all your opinion, as it is.

It's not up to any of us as to judge whether Trump is fit to be POTUS. That is down to the voters of the US and they will have their chance in 2020

It's quite clear that Trump's ambitions has been to represent only himself, not the people of USA.

 

That's quite sad as the people of USA are overall decent folks. Trump is not one of the decent people.  

 

But Trump presents as the leader of the USA and therefore Trump is what the rest of the world sees, the state of USA currently is. 

 

Not good.

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ah, guiding principles is it?

Iran/ Contra, overthrow of elected governments, use of government agencies to bring illegal drugs into the US, illegal wars and wars based on lies; the list goes on. Is that the sort of guiding principles you want for the democratic countries of the world?

I can do without the "guiding principles" demonstrated to the world by previous US administrations.

 

All this leader of the world nonsense is amusing. I am talking about the guy you are replying to. As an American I don't care about being the leader of the free world. I only care that my president leads the USA as a free country. 

 

You can't win. You pull out they say you have abandoned allies, you go in and you are a war monger. I don't care what the rest of the "free world" thinks. They can lead the charge from here on out.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, oilinki said:

It's quite clear that Trump's ambitions has been to represent only himself, not the people of USA.

 

That's quite sad as the people of USA are overall decent folks. Trump is not one of the decent people.  

 

But Trump presents as the leader of the USA and therefore Trump is what the rest of the world sees, the state of USA currently is. 

 

Not good.

Again all your OPINION. Others disagree with what you say.

[Cryingdick]

3 minutes ago, oilinki said:

It's quite clear that Trump's ambitions has been to represent only himself, not the people of USA.

 

That's quite sad as the people of USA are overall decent folks. Trump is not one of the decent people.  

 

But Trump presents as the leader of the USA and therefore Trump is what the rest of the world sees, the state of USA currently is. 

 

Not good.

 

Trump is fed through the mill in whatever your country is because otherwise your own country would have to rest on it's own laurels. There are very few if any countries that do as many good things as the USA. It's your turn to carry the torch now.

 

The rest of the world is that guy who argues the bill at dinner and certainly doesn't add a tip.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Trump is fed through the mill in whatever your country is because otherwise your own country would have to rest on it's own laurels. There are very few if any countries that do as many good things as the USA. It's your turn to carry the torch now.

 

The rest of the world is that guy who argues the bill at dinner and certainly doesn't add a tip.

Agreed. I hate that my country doesn't even try and have a proper defence force because they know that if it goes down to it the US will come to our rescue. Time to do the right thing and spend the money on a real defence force.

However, that's rather distant from the Mueller report so will try and stay on topic in future.

[Cryingdick]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Agreed. I hate that my country doesn't even try and have a proper defence force because they know that if it goes down to it the US will come to our rescue. Time to do the right thing and spend the money on a real defence force.

However, that's rather distant from the Mueller report so will try and stay on topic in future.

 

Indeed the topic is that the Mueller report was a two year witch hunt resulting in nothing. The only positives to the whole thing will be the slew of charges coming against those that deserve them. I am outraged ????

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[simple1]

55 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It would be nice if you made it clear that that was all your opinion, as it is.

It's not up to any of us as to judge whether Trump is fit to be POTUS. That is down to the voters of the US and they will have their chance in 2020

Given the effect such a position has with allied nations. as a non US national, I am entitled to my opinion of the worthiness or otherwise of who holds the title "President on the USA". To repeat, IMO, trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA. The Mueller report more than adequately justifies such an opinion. Barr is also unfit to hold the Office of AG.