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Trump pulling U.S. out of U.N. arms treaty, heeding NRA

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  • And there quite simply you have the problem. The worlds biggest abuser of human rights, outside of its own borders, is hardly likely to sign up to restrictions on its behaviour.

  • As a Brit who can't understand as what I see as an obsession with guns, I just don't get why there are even more guns needed? The often quoted second amendment about the 'right to bear arms', see

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    As a Brit, you are ingrained with a different mentality from childbirth on what the role of the government is supposed to play in your life, and how you view it.   A large percentage of the

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Just now, longtom said:

White people with guns are the 'good guys'.
Black people with guns are 'bad guys'.

Good guys in, bad guys out?

As BJ's over there now, do you reckon he's about to get involved in US gun law - assuming he has a work permit?

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

American history is full of incidents where an armed public changed the result of something the government was trying to do.  Specifically, there have been several labor disputes where the government sent in a goon squad and were repelled by the armed strikers.  Just recently, we saw the Bundy standoff.  Instead of a quick "round 'em up and throw 'em in irons", the armed protest went on for days and weeks.

 

Without passing judgment on whether the causes were good or bad, there is no doubt that being armed against the government changed the outcomes.  So then, the question becomes, what kind of shenanigans does the government not even try, because they know they'll be opposed by armed resistance.

 

 

True those incidents were handled with kid glove bottom line if they really want your guns they will take them and if you resist you will be dead that being said I’m for gun ownership but I would like through background checks and the authority’s given the tools to keep guns away from the nut jobs

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3 minutes ago, Tug said:

and the authority’s given the tools to keep guns away from the nut jobs

That would probably reduce gun ownership by about 95%....

16 minutes ago, simon43 said:

That would probably reduce gun ownership by about 95%....

I disagree 5 to 10% possibly 

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2 hours ago, Tug said:

Just Donald pandering to his ever shrinking base

Apparently not so, given that there are thousands of people who have left the Fascist Democrat Party since 2016, having found out that not only did Obama and Clinton spy on the Trump campaign in a way that makes Watergate look like a child’s game, but the subsequent violence and #Resist movements, the lies, Antifa, and the actions of Obama and Kerry overseas has exposed the Fascist-Democrats for what they really are.

Furthermore, people are beginning to look back at what people like Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Medgar Evers, and others said about the Democrats and what the truth is about their Socialist bent that looks strangely like the Slavery of the 18th and 19th Centuries. People are also seeing through the rhetoric about “Lincoln was really a Democrat because the parties have changed places” and the truth about the Right in America being the people standing for the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence concerning the freedoms and rights of the individual.

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1 hour ago, geoffbezoz said:

And no doubt cowering behind that big wall you are building waiting for the Zombies to p$$s all over you 

 

Tell you what.  Look up Charlie Hebdo in France, and then look up what happened in Dallas/Fort Worth a few days apart.

 

How many were killed in France by the terrorists?  How many were killed in the similar attack in Texas?  The difference?  A gun culture in Texas.  I'll give you a hint.  None of the good guys died in the Texas attack.

 

And tonight, if anybody breaks into my home, calling 911 and praying the police get there on time is the 2nd thing on my list.

 

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3 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Apparently not so, given that there are thousands of people who have left the Fascist Democrat Party since 2016, having found out that not only did Obama and Clinton spy on the Trump campaign in a way that makes Watergate look like a child’s game, but the subsequent violence and #Resist movements, the lies, Antifa, and the actions of Obama and Kerry overseas has exposed the Fascist-Democrats for what they really are.

Furthermore, people are beginning to look back at what people like Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Medgar Evers, and others said about the Democrats and what the truth is about their Socialist bent that looks strangely like the Slavery of the 18th and 19th Centuries. People are also seeing through the rhetoric about “Lincoln was really a Democrat because the parties have changed places” and the truth about the Right in America being the people standing for the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence concerning the freedoms and rights of the individual.

Not wearing your tinfoil hat today? Tut-Tut.

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1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

Tell you what.  Look up Charlie Hebdo in France, and then look up what happened in Dallas/Fort Worth a few days apart.

 

How many were killed in France by the terrorists?  How many were killed in the similar attack in Texas?  The difference?  A gun culture in Texas.  I'll give you a hint.  None of the good guys died in the Texas attack.

 

And tonight, if anybody breaks into my home, calling 911 and praying the police get there on time is the 2nd thing on my list.

 

I guess then the first thing on your list to do if anyone breaks into your home tonight will be running ???? 

 

And whilst your comments maybe good to hear for similar veined gun fanatics,  I suspect that all the parents of school children, murdered in their schools, by similar US fanatical gun owning nutters, may just be different to yours.

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8 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Not wearing your tinfoil hat today? Tut-Tut.

Just out of curiosity. What did you do with the money your parents gave you for an education?

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Which is juxtaposed by the Kent State massacre when the National Guard opened fire on a group of unarmed student protesters, killing 4 and wounding 9.

 

The US a civilised country? I don't think so.

Well, Georges Clemenceau once remarked that "America was the only country that he knew of which had gone from barbarism to decadence without any intervening stages"

 

Apparently the posters here are stuck somewhere on the Indian frontier circa 1765 a'loadin their muskets and eternally on the watch for shadows in the night..

 

2 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

 

Dudes smoke a bowl. If you wanna hate guns hate em. If I want to own one I will and you aint getting it. So lets smoke a bowl. And order a pizza.

Thanks Nyezhov. Happy to disagree on any topic and smoke a bowl whilst discussing it. It's what civilised people do. Can we do it over fish and chips?

 

 

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

Education is free to all in the UK. No need for parents money.

Really, who pays for it. That money growing on trees?  Your ignorance explains a lot. Go back to your keyboard mighty "Commando"

4 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

 

 

Apparently the posters here are stuck somewhere on the Indian frontier circa 1765 a'loadin their muskets and eternally on the watch for shadows in the night..

 

Browning HP and AR-15 actually.

1 minute ago, Longcut said:

Really, who pays for it. That money growing on trees?  Your ignorance explains a lot. Go back to your keyboard mighty "Commando"

The government pays for all, whether they can afford it or not. It's called "equal opportunities".

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

Can we do it over fish and chips?

Thats why you Subjects lost an empire, your national food is what we feed Nappie fillers. And ya gave up your guns.

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1 minute ago, Nyezhov said:

Browning HP and AR-15 actually.

When I was a kid, I was trained to shoot things with a Browning camera. Does that count?

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

a Browning camera

Brownie

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Nope. Not in my book. Massacres in Ireland are in the past, hopefully and were as a result, as far as the IRA were concerned, a consequence of war. Mass shootings in US a completely different ball game.

 

A number of years ago, a young couple from my home town were on a fly/drive holiday in Florida. Stopped at a red light and were gunned down in an attempted mugging. I know a number of Brits who have been put off holidaying in the US by the amount of lawlessness and danger for tourists in the US.

April 18, 2019, is in the past?  

3 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Brownie

 

Browning Trail Camera. Great for shooting anything that moves.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

April 18, 2019, is in the past?  

Having spent 3 years at RAF Lakenheath. Which I totally despised. I would opt for the wild west of the USA anytime. There is nothing worse than being stuck on an island. They call it a country. But, it is an island.

 

21 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:
23 minutes ago, Spidey said:

a Browning camera

Brownie

Are you sure you don't mean #Browns?

3 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Having spent 3 years at RAF Lakenheath. Which I totally despised. I would opt for the wild west of the USA anytime. There is nothing worse than being stuck on an island. They call it a country. But, it is an island.

 

That's probably because the locals weren't very happy with you. Bringing shedloads of cruise missiles to our "island" wasn't appreciated.

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1 minute ago, Longcut said:

Having spent 3 years at RAF Lakenheath. Which I totally despised. I would opt for the wild west of the USA anytime. There is nothing worse than being stuck on an island. They call it a country. But, it is an island.

 

And no doubt the locals in my home county were damn glad to see the back of you too. Suffolk had enough cowboys of their own without the imported variety ????

Red Dawn was not just a movie... 

28 minutes ago, Spidey said:

That's probably because the locals weren't very happy with you. Bringing shedloads of cruise missiles to our "island" wasn't appreciated.

Then ask us to leave. The American people will be ecstatic not having to pay that bill any longer. 

 Remember the last time you kicked us out?

Oh yeah, My mistake. That was us kicking your butts out of our country.

32 minutes ago, Spidey said:

That's probably because the locals weren't very happy with you. Bringing shedloads of cruise missiles to our "island" wasn't appreciated.

Again showing your ignorance. The British have their own cruise missiles. The Storm Shadow. Used by the UK and Italy.

5 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Good.Leave.

 

Presumably you are in Thailand and not paying many of the bills...

I am but still have many real estates holding back in the U.S.  I still pay taxes on all of it. 

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