21 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

publish nicked classified information that he had no right to endangering peoples lives then he deserve's everything that is coming to him

I agree.  Hopefully the government will go after the publishers of The Guardian next for publishing the Snowden classified documents.  The perhaps WaPo followed by the NYTs and all the other traitorous news outlets that have published 'classified' documents in the recent past.  It's high time to drain that particular swamp and bring back Law and Order.  Owners, editors and journalists at these criminal publishing houses need to start doing hard time for violating national security! ????

9 minutes ago, connda said:

I agree.  Hopefully the government will go after the publishers of The Guardian next for publishing the Snowden classified documents.  The perhaps WaPo followed by the NYTs and all the other traitorous news outlets that have published 'classified' documents in the recent past.  It's high time to drain that particular swamp and bring back Law and Order.  Owners, editors and journalists at these criminal publishing houses need to start doing hard time for violating national security! ????

There are a number of matters with which you do not seem to have checked before posting e.g.

 

the American Constitution protects the re-publication of illegally gained information provided the publishers did not themselves violate any laws in acquiring it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Potential_criminal_prosecution

22 minutes ago, simple1 said:

There are a number of matters with which you do not seem to have checked before posting e.g.

 

the American Constitution protects the re-publication of illegally gained information provided the publishers did not themselves violate any laws in acquiring it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Potential_criminal_prosecution

I believe and i hope that common sense will prevail, given that the credibility of US and UK governments is at stake, and that Mr. Assange will be forgiven eventually.

.. And many people are still waiting for a word of apology from US for unleashing trigger-happy cowboys to kill innocents.

Economy is important no doubts, and so are human rights.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Has it occurred to you that Assange detained himself, and that while he was wasting seven of the best years of his life in his futile attempt to evade justice it was Assange and only Assange preventing him from leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy.

 

Complex explanation = International conspiracy involving the US, UK, Sweden, Ecuador and trials/judgements in open courts of law.

 

Simple explanation = Assange is a sniveling coward.

Glad to know there are still men like you Chomper. You would have walked into the court room 7 years ago with a stiff upper lip, no matter the consequences.

Edited May 2, 20197 yr by GreasyFingers

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Has it occurred to you that Assange detained himself, and that while he was wasting seven of the best years of his life in his futile attempt to evade justice it was Assange and only Assange preventing him from leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy.

 

Complex explanation = International conspiracy involving the US, UK, Sweden, Ecuador and trials/judgements in open courts of law.

 

Simple explanation = Assange is a sniveling coward.

 

Why, just because he wanted to avoid a US prison and escape what nearly happened to Tommy Robinson in Bedford Prison and would have done so if Sajid Javid had had his way. Just like the Bristol Bacon Smearer Kevin Crehan met his end in jail in the West Country of England.

 

Any thing can happen in a US jail. There have been literally thousands of deaths in custody in US jails.

 

It's the ideal way to get rid of someone who's a whistle blower and an embarrassment to the establishment and causing politicians to lose face. Bribe another con to stab him insuring there are no witnesses and the matter's history.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Has it occurred to you that Assange detained himself, and that while he was wasting seven of the best years of his life in his futile attempt to evade justice it was Assange and only Assange preventing him from leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy.

 

Complex explanation = International conspiracy involving the US, UK, Sweden, Ecuador and trials/judgements in open courts of law.

 

Simple explanation = Assange is a sniveling coward.

 

This is what the rumpus is all about. What is 'snivelling' or 'cowardly' about a man with the balls to help expose this atrocity to the general public? Kindly explain.

 

 

Whatever you think of Assange, the whole issue is huge, it is about a conflict over a crucial lynch pin to democracy: oversight of govts and other actors. The importance of the whole thing has little to do with Assange and his personality and indeed this strugge will continue without Assange as the manager at Wikileaks basically said after Assange's arrest. A precedent is being set or a very threatening message is being sent that will limit all of our information access even more severely than it is. Ask yourself if you trust your govt.'s and militaries and intelligence agencies to act in your interest or that of the general public. Is it not essential that we have a Wikileaks to help hold them accountable? Or ask why is it that they have such a huge problem with oversight,  or ask yourself if you trust a media wholly taking orders from their corporate ownership and even from govts themselves  -such as the Wikileaks revealed Hillary Clinton emails revealed Clinton staff dictating to the New York Times what they would say and not say about her presidential bid. To me these things are what makes this whole case very innteresting and important.

 

If we don't have information about what the military-industrial-intelligence-banking-petro complex are doing, not even the tip of the iceberg, what is to stop them from just acting 100% in their own interests? They now have much more access to info on us, on our every last bowel movement it would seem, so I think we would also need to know that much more about them if there is to be any kind of balance between what people want and what governing institutions and big business want etc. Wikileaks provided a torrent of such oversight towards striking more of that balance, and that in itself would cause  criminal govts, actors therein and institutions etc to think twice about illegal and wrongful actions or actions against the public good they are contemplating doing. The Assange case puts it baldly in the spotlight that these entities don't want oversight or balance, which though not surprising is extraordinary to have it now put before us so blatantly, and  to me it seems clear that this is what this is about, they are not having it with having to worry about a deluge year after year of publicly revealed info on what they are doing and trying to hide, and by extension they show themselves very clearly to be against the principals of democratic rule they are always trumpeting. A Wikileaks is important for expanding and defending democratic rights, it puts pressure on govts to do their jobs and stop messing around on the sly, wikileaks is perhaps even crucial in light of the emergence of the internet. If you don't have any good info on what your overlords are doing, how can you vote properly, or how can you act when they won't listen? The forces of control and info have to be balanced or democracy has a serious problem. This is the importance of Wikileaks and Julian Assange's work, not his personal behavior at the embassy character flaws that he is a narcissist etc. that he mainstream media is trying to divert the focus towards.

 

 The mainstream press in the US was only all too happy to use Wikileaks info 8-10 years ago to sell papers etc about many issues, torture at Gitmo, the footage of the gleeful gunning down of journalists and civilians by US helicopter pilots during the Iraq war, etc but now they and their intelligence agency influenced corporate ownership find him less useful than he is a threat to their psy-ops and propaganda and attempted black out on all but the official lines and narratives and so now he is being portrayed as a hacker and an upstart who is not a journalist. That he isn't a journalist is completely disingenuous not to mention a corruption of the word journalist, anyone who provides information to the public is by definition a journalist, you don't need a credential or whatever it is they are suggesting with this particular smear. What they mean is that he isn't a  stenographer to the power structures which is what the press are at this point. If anyone isn't a journalist it is the very media accusing Assange of not being a journalist. And essentially also what they are saying is that you aren't allowed to speak or provide information unless you have been appointed by them. Ridiculous and lots of luck with that one. They'll say anything at this point because there is nothing of substance to get Assange on. It is because of what he has published and that alone, that is the problem, the media needs to get real, though I won't hold my breath on that one.  Daniel Ellsberg stole documents that showed illegal doings of the US in the Vietnam war, to quote Wikipedia:

 

"On January 3, 1973, Ellsberg was charged under the Espionage Act of 1917 along with other charges of theft and conspiracy, carrying a total maximum sentence of 115 years. Due to governmental misconduct and illegal evidence-gathering, and the defense by Leonard Boudin and Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson, Judge William Matthew Byrne Jr. dismissed all charges against Ellsberg on May 11, 1973."

 

 

BUt now, they have a problem in the age of internet, their secrets can be very easily be exposed. If they can set this precedent by imprisoning Assange for publishing secrets etc or whatever, very conceivably they can then in the future go after anyone for publishing anything they don't like. Journalism criminalized, only stenography is allowed. Even if they do make it something else, some trumped up spurious charge that Assange gets put in prison for, the message is still the same: reveal information we don't want you to reveal and you'll go to prison. And of course that will be a deterrent for most. In essence, this is your elected people or the people they appointed telling you this. That that seems to be even remotely acceptable by institutions who claim they are invading Venezuela because it is run by totalitarian socialists is beyond the pale. The hypocrisy of the Pompeios, Boltons and Abrams is a complete outrage. You have these fascists, in essence, telling you what democracy is and that you should just trust us, you don't need to know anything about what we do, in fact that's a crime.

 

Its is crystal clear the mainstream media and their backers have no response to the volumes  Wikileaks has revealed, so the focus of the media circus/travesty is directed at his character. It has nothing to do with a sound case or argument against Assange and his activities. It shows how weak, totalitarian and out of control the US and much of the west is at this point, it is yet another indication of how much things are unravelling. The hope that Assange will get a fair and open trial doesn't look good, he will likely be tried in a military hearing which if I am not mistaken are not open court cases where defendants have very many rights or even a right to an attorney.  The charges are as yet  allegations that he helped Chelsea Manning by providing passwords, but we will see in a year or whenever it is he gets extradited.

 

The military industrial powers, the globalist financial institutions, international corporations are up sheet creek with their own techno surveillance paddle: they presently are finding it more difficult than they would like to  keep secrets, to carry on with their non-transparency in the name of national security and our best interests. And as long as crimes are committed by these govts and institutions, there will be leakers and willing people like Assange and Manning who will go to prison to publish these things because they, like many, disagree that it is in our interest to have crimes and plans etc of the govt, military, intelligence agencies, financial institutions and corporations kept out of the public oversight.

2 hours ago, Jerry787 said:

50 weeks to escape bail for a crime not committed and an extradition request void due that there was no any crime committed !!

shame on the judge, shame on british false justice !

British false justice? No, that could never be.

Assange should not be too worried thinking he would get extradited to the US -nothing unfair could ever happen either in the US or the UK. If a third world country is involved, then he should truly worry.

1 hour ago, GreasyFingers said:

Glad to know there are still men like you Chomper. You would have walked into the court room 7 years ago with a stiff upper lip, no matter the consequences.

The vast majority of criminals do just that.

 

It’s called manning up.

 

Which is why I’ve said from the start, I have more respect for any common criminal who shows up to face their trial of their own volition than I have for the sniveling coward Assange who did a runner.

 

Seven of the best years of his life wasted in a futile attempt to avoid justice.

 

And he did it to himself.

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

I believe and i hope that common sense will prevail, given that the credibility of US and UK governments is at stake, and that Mr. Assange will be forgiven eventually.

.. And many people are still waiting for a word of apology from US for unleashing trigger-happy cowboys to kill innocents.

Economy is important no doubts, and so are human rights.

The only chance Assange has of avoiding decades in prison is Trump giving him a pardon to buy Assange’s silence over the part he and Wikileaks played in Russia’s attack on the 2016 US election.

52 minutes ago, Shaunduhpostman said:

willing people like Assange and Manning who will go to prison to publish these things because they, like many, disagree that it is in our interest to have crimes and plans etc of the govt, military, intelligence agencies, financial institutions and corporations kept out of the public oversight.

Not a Assange fan per say but an excellent post.

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Shame on your powers of comprehension and understanding of the law.

Sad that you see a human law as a replacement for human morality.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I said from the get-go that Assange was wasting the best years of his life in a futile attempt to evade justice. 

 

The evidence before our eyes demonstrates I comprehended that fact perfectly. 

 

 

Whether you understand it or not, (i think you do) he was obviously afraid to be caught, now, what about "justice" for all the innocent victims of unscrupulous, senseless wars ?

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I find it hilarious, well, hilariously sad, that Assange exposed a corrupt American Government's war figures on civilian deaths. Why is it that Assange is the only one held accountable. Aren't mass, unjustified murder and cover ups illegal as well? Oh, the Govt just gets to do whatever they want, I forgot. I also forgot that includes aiming their full force at the whistle blowers who have the balls to stand up to it. 

34 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Whether you understand it or not, (i think you do) he was obviously afraid to be caught, now, what about "justice" for all the innocent victims of unscrupulous, senseless wars ?

What I understand is Assange fled from justice and pished away 7 of the best years of his life trying to evade the inevitable while the individual he conned into thieving information for him served time for their crimes. 

 

Assange then set about assisting Russia in its interference with the US 2016 election. 

 

Perhaps he has the sense to cut a deal and tell what he knows about that crime. 

 

I suspect he has and will.  

 

 

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What I understand is Assange fled from justice and pished away 7 of the best years of his life trying to evade the inevitable

Perhaps he thought that the Ecuador embassy was more comfortable than jail ?

At least he is still alive, and probably he is not as stupid as you seem to think.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What I understand is Assange fled from justice and pished away 7 of the best years of his life trying to evade the inevitable while the individual he conned into thieving information for him served time for their crimes. 

What I understand is Assange exposed US war crimes which the US will never answer for because it's filed in the " Never tell the truth folder " in one of the many secret filing cabinets.

2 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Perhaps he thought that the Ecuador embassy was more comfortable than jail ?

At least he is still alive, and probably he is not as stupid as you seem to think.

Assange's life was never under threat from the British courts and any extradition would be under both UK and EU law contingent on guarantees that he did not face a capital charge.

 

Perhaps he thought his supporters were stupid enough to believe otherwise. 

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Assange's life was never under threat from the British courts and any extradition would be under both UK and EU law contingent on guarantees that he did not face a capital charge.

 

Perhaps he thought his supporters were stupid enough to believe otherwise. 

 

He is yet to be proven wrong...

 

 

 

about the above, and just about everything else...

just breaking on the local News:

 

Pamela Anderson shown bursting out from (not her dress) out from the prison

 

all in tears and professing her love for her Julian

 

 

At least he's not alone now    (o)(o)

 

 

prefer Sophie Monk though...