Landlord notification of tenant

[Tanoshi]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

So where are you getting the tax allowance of 30k from?

According to my tax office that is the average monthly allowance before tax.

The personal allowance is made of different allowances and varies by person.

 

[Leaver]

8 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

According to my tax office that is the average monthly allowance before tax.

The personal allowance is made of different allowances and varies by person.

 

This is what you said:

 

"That applies to assessable income above the personal allowance limit.

It's 5% between 150 - 300K

10% between 300 - 500K

However it could have changed as I'm quoting from a 2018 leaflet."

 

Someone earning 30k a month earns 360k a year.  So do they pay 5% tax, or no tax?

 

I was under the belief it was 10% tax from 150k, but even using your figures, there's still some tax to pay.

 

Are you saying rental income is not accessible income?

[Tanoshi]

48 minutes ago, Leaver said:

No problem if in Thailand for less than 30 days, but go to immigration and apply for an extension, and it has been reported on TV you are up for a 800 baht fine, even though it's the landlords responsibility to register you.

It's the responsibility of the house–master , the owner or the possessor of the residence.

The house-master by definition means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever.

 

Private householders can now register online to file TM30 reports.

https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/FilterNoLogonServlet?nodeId=24&programId=FNHOTELREG

 

I've always filed my own TM30's using copies of the owners Tabien Baan and ID card.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, newarrior said:

Lordie--how and where do he and I get the TM30, TM6,  signed copy of the apartment's tabien bahn (blue book), Signed copy of ID ? They know my address etc etc from my 90 day check ins why do they need more...?

The TM30 can be filed online after registration, or downloaded from Immigrations website.

https://www.immigration.go.th/download/

 

The TM6 (Departure card) should be stapled in your passport.

The owner should supply his signed documents.

 

You are only required to file a TM30 when entering Thailand, or after a change in address.

Once filed and on record it shouldn't need filing again unless in the case of the above sentence.

When you enter Thailand you complete a TM6 notifying your 'intended' address destination.

Once arriving at the address the personal responsible should file the TM30 notifying your arrival.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Someone earning 30k a month earns 360k a year.  So do they pay 5% tax, or no tax?

That depends on their personal allowance claim.

 

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

I was under the belief it was 10% tax from 150k, but even using your figures, there's still some tax to pay.

5% from 150 - 300K for nett income above the personal allowance.

10% from 300 - 500K for nett income above the personal allowance.

The personal allowances are variable depending on the individuals situation.

 

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Are you saying rental income is not accessible income?

I stated assessable income (not accessible).

Rental income is taxable, but only above the personal allowance.

 

I get interest on my fixed term account, which is deemed as income earned in Thailand and is automatically taxed at 15%

Because the total interest is below my personal annual allowance, I reclaim the tax paid each year.

[newarrior]

12 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

The TM30 you can download on this forum.

The TM6 is the Arrival/Departure card you filled on arrival to Thailand. The IO kept the arrival part, and gave the departure part back to you. He probably put it in your passport.

You will have to ask your landlord for a (signed) copy of his ID - if he is Thai, or his passport picture page (also signed) - if he is foreign. Same for the blue book copy - if he is Thai, or yellow book copy and the apartment's title deed copy - if he is foreign.

 

"They know my address etc etc from my 90 day check ins why do they need more...?" Yes, they do. However, they want it again, and again, and again on all kind of different forms. I have great faith that there is a uniquely Thai reasoning as basis for this mystery, but I doubt it will be revealed to us...

Tm6 still have that..TM30--thank you...Yes Thai Immigration knows ALL of our addresses here in LOS due to all of our 90 day check ins and our one year visa renewals...

[newarrior]

Am I also hearing that we need to back at immigration doing a TM30 within 24 hours of returning to the country if gone from the country ? Why ?

 

I came back in January did my 90 day in late March--nothing said about a TM30 ? Never heard a word about any of this TM30 etc nonsense until the issue was raised in a Senior Citizen Expat Meetup Group...Members of the group are looking for clarification on all of this mess..Apparently this is a little enforced law from 1979 that Thai immigration suddenly starting enforcing last month ?

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, newarrior said:

Am I also hearing that we need to back at immigration doing a TM30 within 24 hours of returning to the country if gone from the country ?

 

Yes, this seems to be how most read the law/rule/regulation.

 

1 hour ago, newarrior said:

Why ?

 

We're told it's for national security. Some speculate that the Erawan bomber(s) were staying in guest houses, unreported, and were a tad hard to locate.

 

1 hour ago, newarrior said:

I came back in January did my 90 day in late March--nothing said about a TM30 ?

 

Enforcement of the TM-30 reporting has been spotty, with some offices requiring it for ages, and others only just recently requiring it. My guess is that enforcement at Div. 1/CW only became prevalent AFTER your 90-day report in March. I remember seeing the first flurry of reports ~ Tuesday, April 23 ( I know someone who went to CW on 22 April and did not face this requirement ).

 

Sounds like you may be new here (Thailand)? Asking "why" is often an exercise in futility, and a general waste of time. But then I'm conditioned, after 16 years, to ask "how high" when asked to "jump", rather than asking why the authorities want me to jump.

 

 

 

 

 

[newarrior]

Hey there lots to respond to your last Point related to a feeling of cynicism I get that I've been here two years I'm feeling the same way I visited for many times before I got here but never knew what it was going to be like until I moved here of course. Interested thing related to the bomber. I just trying to make sure all the initial paperwork was filed by me and my landlord I don't believe so if not then I'm not sure what to do I'm a bit overwhelmed trying to work with my landlord on all of this. And then this having to go back to immigration after any of us doing a potential long overseas trip is insane. Yes when I sod my 90 day in late March nobody said anything about a tm30.. I'm also shocked and nobody has started attacking me or anybody else since I started this thread it through days ago. It's hard enough living overseas we don't need to be attacking each other and doing all this negative stuff that a lot of expats do so let's keep up the good work and be positive and supportive thanks everybody

[Tanoshi]

35 minutes ago, newarrior said:

Hey there lots to respond to your last Point related to a feeling of cynicism I get that I've been here two years I'm feeling the same way I visited for many times before I got here but never knew what it was going to be like until I moved here of course. Interested thing related to the bomber. I just trying to make sure all the initial paperwork was filed by me and my landlord I don't believe so if not then I'm not sure what to do I'm a bit overwhelmed trying to work with my landlord on all of this. And then this having to go back to immigration after any of us doing a potential long overseas trip is insane. Yes when I sod my 90 day in late March nobody said anything about a tm30.. I'm also shocked and nobody has started attacking me or anybody else since I started this thread it through days ago. It's hard enough living overseas we don't need to be attacking each other and doing all this negative stuff that a lot of expats do so let's keep up the good work and be positive and supportive thanks everybody

You should read sections 37, 38 and 4 of the Immigration Act, where the requirements are explained.

You either comply or ignore the facts at your cost.

 

The fines and penalties for non compliance are in sections 75,76, and 77.

Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979) en - immigration.pdf

 

It's the inconsistency of TI offices to enforce the laws that prove confusing, but the decision to comply with the law is up to you, regardless of whether your IO enforce it or not.

[Vacuum]

17 hours ago, newarrior said:

They know my address etc etc from my 90 day check ins why do they need more...?

Nobody knows, it's still a country that wants to develop.

[Tanoshi]

34 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

Nobody knows, it's still a country that wants to develop.

Because if you don't have PR status then you only have temporary permission to stay and they want to know your location during your stay.

[Leaver]

4 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Nobody knows, it's still a country that wants to develop.

If they keep developing at this pace, they may as well not develop at all. 

[mtls2005]

My best guess: the authorities want a double (TM-6), triple (TM-7), quadruple (TM-47) check/database on foreigners so they can be located quickly in the event of illegal activities, or for other reasons. At this point, I might submit to an ankle monitor.

 

With the TM-30, they've pushed this extra-check off to Thais to report foreigners. And that's fine.

 

That they allow foreigners to self-report via a TM-30 seems to potentially be an exploitable gap. But letting logic get in the way of bureaucracy may be a lost cause.

 

When in doubt add another bit of paper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Leaver]

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

My best guess: the authorities want a double (TM-6), triple (TM-7), quadruple (TM-47) check/database on foreigners so they can be located quickly in the event of illegal activities, or for other reasons. At this point, I might submit to an ankle monitor.

 

With the TM-30, they've pushed this extra-check off to Thais to report foreigners. And that's fine.

 

That they allow foreigners to self-report via a TM-30 seems to potentially be an exploitable gap. But letting logic get in the way of bureaucracy may be a lost cause.

 

When in doubt add another bit of paper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile, a lot of foreigners will be paying their 800 baht fines, but what fines will Thai landlords get?  Zero. 

[Maestro]

8 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

...The fines and penalties for non compliance are in sections 75,76, and 77...

Sections 75, 76 and 77 state the ranges for penalties that judges can issue. Immigration officials are bound by section 84.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Maestro said:

Sections 75, 76 and 77 state the ranges for penalties that judges can issue. Immigration officials are bound by section 84.

Immigration officials set the fines as settlement of the offence, which they can and often do, usually without a receipt.

[dirtybirty]

Can you just download the form get in filled in and take it to immigration

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[bkk6060]

I got tagged on this several years ago.

IO said if I did not pay the penalty, no extension.

So, of course I paid and never got it back from the landlord.

 

I always rent and have learned for me it is better to rent from real estate agents only.

I think they mostly know the rules and abide by them.

 

 

[dukeandduke]

On 5/8/2019 at 7:23 PM, Leaver said:

Meanwhile, a lot of foreigners will be paying their 800 baht fines, but what fines will Thai landlords get?  Zero. 

Yeah really.  I just got zapped in Bangkok for the 800.  Couldn't get my extension without paying it.

My agent and the condo office knew nothing about this requirement.  The owner is seldom easy to contact.

I'll probably ask for 800 off my next rent and get nowhere.  Meanwhile, the agent is scrambling to learn what to do on future occasions.

I arrive in Thailand next time on a Saturday night.  I hope that someone can file online.

[Maestro]

2 hours ago, dukeandduke said:

I arrive in Thailand next time on a Saturday night.  I hope that someone can file online.

In your situation, I would register myself for online notification of my arrival. Many tenants are doing so and thus do not have to rely on another person, ie owner or agent. 

 

The owner is only one of three persons qualified under section 38 of the Immigration Act to do this notification. The other two are the house-master (you, as defined by section 4) and the possessor (you)