Trial date set for Elon Musk's 'pedo guy' tweet

[Kieran00001]

3 minutes ago, Hank Gunn said:

I don’t know why everyone is making Unsworth out as a hero, or even labeling him a “diver”. Put his life on the line? Hardly.

 

First, he’s not a diver and as far as I know, wasn’t directly (i.e. physically) involved in the rescue. He is a spelunker who had been in that cave many times during the dry season and knew it very well. His knowledge of the cave was undoubtedly a very big help in the rescue, but he was, as far as I know, not going in with the Thai Navy divers,

 

He co-led the mission due to having spent years exploring that cave, but you are just plain wrong about him, he is a diver and he is experienced in cave rescue back in the UK, but as far as I know he did not dive on this mission, he's old, it would be crazy to use him.  Not that that means he didn't put his life on the line, he was deep in the cave where there was a real chance of flooding and getting trapped, hundreds put their life on the line, not just the lead divers.  Now do stop posting your wild speculations.

 

[Hank Gunn]

7 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

He co-led the mission due to having spent years exploring that cave, but you are just plain wrong about him, he is a diver and he is experienced in cave rescue back in the UK, but as far as I know he did not dive on this mission, he's old, it would be crazy to use him.  Not that that means he didn't put his life on the line, he was deep in the cave where there was a real chance of flooding and getting trapped, hundreds put their life on the line, not just the lead divers.  Now do stop posting your wild speculations.

 

I stand corrected on him being a diver but I’ve found nothing in several news stories that said he actually went in as part of the rescue team.

 

He did recommend several divers he knew from the UK and used his knowledge of the cave to help plan the rescue, but I’ve not seen anything that places him in the cave during rescue operations.

[Kieran00001]

8 minutes ago, Hank Gunn said:

I stand corrected on him being a diver but I’ve found nothing in several news stories that said he actually went in as part of the rescue team.

 

He did recommend several divers he knew from the UK and used his knowledge of the cave to help plan the rescue, but I’ve not seen anything that places him in the cave during rescue operations.

 

You not being able to find something doesn't mean it didn't happen, this is what I was getting at with the stop speculating comment.  There was actually footage of him in his caving gear walking out of the cave.  Anyway, why the need to do this?  Perhaps you're s tad insecure?

[Elkski]

In  today's climate about sex trafficking, Thailand's visual crackdown,I think being labeled a pedo is a big thing.   Stick to space X ELon.   It is so cool to see a rocket land on it's ass on a barge at Sea.   

[Hank Gunn]

4 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

You not being able to find something doesn't mean it didn't happen, this is what I was getting at with the stop speculating comment.  There was actually footage of him in his caving gear walking out of the cave.  Anyway, why the need to do this?  Perhaps you're s tad insecure?

I’ve read several news stories about this incident and none of them mentioned him actually diving during the actual rescue. They only mentioned his experience as a caver/spelunker and his knowledge of the cave. The stories further stated that this knowledge was instrumental in planning the rescue. 

 

All of the the stories I read said nothing about him actually diving and yet, seeing as that would be a significant contribution, in addition to his knowledge of the cave, it seems odd that that would be omitted from those stories.

 

I’ve recently done a Google search on this and the only thing I’ve found is information about the lawsuit and the fellow divers from the UK that he recommended.

 

Perhaps the video you saw was what the press calls “stock footage” of him and was not necessarily from this rescue. Perhaps it’s you who is speculating. I honestly don’t know but as I said, I’ve seen nothing to indicate him actually diving during this rescue.

 

Also, I don’t know why you resort to ad hominem attacks. Why would I be insecure in questioning what appears to be an exaggeration. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, seeing as you called me a liar on another thread without any backing proof.

[eddysmit]

6 hours ago, Dukeleto said:

I have to wonder if Musk was worth nothing if Mr. Unsworth would be pursuing the matter after receiving an apology from Musk. After all, telling someone who was trying to help you, to stick a submarine clearly up their own arse is uncouth, uncalled for and was attention grabbing and inflammatory. Unsworth could have done the gentlemanly thing and let bygones be bygones but the scent of money and a comfortable retirement seem to be his only objective disguised as indignation in a spat between school yard boys on social media. So what if the whole playground heard it! In my opinion Mr. Unsworth has gone from "Hero" to someone who pans for gold, lest I too find myself facing a lawsuit for saying something more directly, and any kudos he received for those rescue efforts are now somewhat tarnished. Sure Elon was out of line but so was Mr. Unsworth and its a mountain out of a molehill scenario. I do hope, in this case, that the jury sees this for what it is and tosses it out. Both of them simply need to shake hands and BOTH apologise for passing childish comments! I mean honestly, I think Unsworth saying that particular statement to someone like Musk appears to be borderline premeditated in order to achieve this exact result! I am unimpressed by both men.

Actually, Musk was insulting every male foreigner that lives in Thailand, every male that would not have anything to do with what Mr. Unsworth was accused of, and innocent of Musks accusations,many people back in places like the UK and American want to believe the things said about ninety-nine percent of good foreigners living in places like Thailand that would not dream of being involved in what Musk has said, perhaps with Mr. Unsworth taking him to court it will make the many others think before they falsely accuse.

[stephenterry]

I'm with Unsworth on this one. Picture the scenario as possibly this. Unsworth, probably under great stress to co-ordinate the rescue operation without loss of life in most difficult conditions and with the threat of rainfall flooding the cave if the boys were still alive.  Time was of the essence.

 

Then in comes Musk with the PM as his big buddy, who proceeds to act like he's the new saviour with his mini submarine, and entered the cave to explain how it would work.  I could understand that Unsworth would lose his cool at someone who was materially hindering the rescue - as he viewed the publicity interruption.

 

But Musk's later response is bang out of order and he deserves to pay for it, as I would had it been me. Not for the money, but for blatant defamation of character and hurtful publicity that also affected Unsworth's wife.  

 

 

   

[malibukid]

psychopath

[Maestro]

Removed an incomprehensible post and a defamatory post.

[malibukid]

6 hours ago, Dukeleto said:

I have to wonder if Musk was worth nothing if Mr. Unsworth would be pursuing the matter after receiving an apology from Musk. After all, telling someone who was trying to help you, to stick a submarine clearly up their own arse is uncouth, uncalled for and was attention grabbing and inflammatory. Unsworth could have done the gentlemanly thing and let bygones be bygones but the scent of money and a comfortable retirement seem to be his only objective disguised as indignation in a spat between school yard boys on social media. So what if the whole playground heard it! In my opinion Mr. Unsworth has gone from "Hero" to someone who pans for gold, lest I too find myself facing a lawsuit for saying something more directly, and any kudos he received for those rescue efforts are now somewhat tarnished. Sure Elon was out of line but so was Mr. Unsworth and its a mountain out of a molehill scenario. I do hope, in this case, that the jury sees this for what it is and tosses it out. Both of them simply need to shake hands and BOTH apologise for passing childish comments! I mean honestly, I think Unsworth saying that particular statement to someone like Musk appears to be borderline premeditated in order to achieve this exact result! I am unimpressed by both men.

i had an accident in a hotel recently in L.A.  no apologies from the mgt. not gift basket.  i am suing them.  injury and insult.  they could have avoided the law suit with a simple we are sorry, how can we help.  i understand this suit. to  these billionaires and corporations $$$ is the only thing they understand.  kick them where it hurts.

[malibukid]

4 hours ago, garzhe said:

Whatever you think of him stupid he isn't

ok, a smart psychopath????

[Kieran00001]

15 minutes ago, Hank Gunn said:

I’ve read several news stories about this incident and none of them mentioned him actually diving during the actual rescue. They only mentioned his experience as a caver/spelunker and his knowledge of the cave. The stories further stated that this knowledge was instrumental in planning the rescue. 

 

All of the the stories I read said nothing about him actually diving and yet, seeing as that would be a significant contribution, in addition to his knowledge of the cave, it seems odd that that would be omitted from those stories.

 

I’ve recently done a Google search on this and the only thing I’ve found is information about the lawsuit and the fellow divers from the UK that he recommended.

 

Perhaps the video you saw was what the press calls “stock footage” of him and was not necessarily from this rescue. Perhaps it’s you who is speculating. I honestly don’t know but as I said, I’ve seen nothing to indicate him actually diving during this rescue.

 

Also, I don’t know why you resort to ad hominem attacks. Why would I be insecure in questioning what appears to be an exaggeration. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, seeing as you called me a liar on another thread without any backing proof.

 

I wrote

"but as far as I know he did not dive on this mission, he's old, it would be crazy to use him. "

 

Yet here you are once again banging on about not finding anything about him diving, get this through your head, no one is claiming he did!  What they do is refer to him as a cave rescue diver, which is a fact you also previously denied yet were forced to backtrack on, why do you do this?

 

No, it was not stock footage, it was the news reporting from the site.

 

Exaggeration, what, where?  What you are experiencing is your own wild speculation based on an inability to use a search function and an inability to ubderstand the meaning of that which you read.

 

Here he is returning from an initial reckie inside the cave.

 

 

And its just normal to question your desperate need to have his involvement proven to you, it really does make you appear very insecure.

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

Yes this is gonna be great I cannot wait for Musk to unload all Unsworth's dirty laundry from his past in court. Especially if it was true!!! Vern started all this anyways shoulda just kept his mouth shut!

If Musk had an evidence of his allegations , he would not have tried to get the case thrown out of Court .

   Its people such as yourself who believe what Musk said , is the reason why this Court case needs to happen .

[Puccini]

3 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

...And he also called you and I pedos, he is far from welcome in Thailand...

Musk called me and whom pedos?

[Kieran00001]

15 minutes ago, malibukid said:

i had an accident in a hotel recently in L.A.  no apologies from the mgt. not gift basket.  i am suing them.  injury and insult.  they could have avoided the law suit with a simple we are sorry, how can we help.  i understand this suit. to  these billionaires and corporations $$$ is the only thing they understand.  kick them where it hurts.

 

It would depend on how your accident occured and whether or not the hotel is to blame in some way, I'll be damned if I will appologize for something which is in no way my fault whether it occurs on my property or not.

[sanemax]

7 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Well, be careful what you wish for. Musk literally asked Unsworth to sue him. 

That was more deceptiveness from Musk .

Verns Lawyers had already began legal proceedings a month BEFORE Musk made that public statement . 

  Verns Lawyers sent Musks Lawyers notice of legal proceedings , Musk then went public "asking" Vern to sue him .

    Musk was deceiving people into thinking that he asked to be sued , when the reality was that legal action had already been taken 

[Kieran00001]

2 minutes ago, Puccini said:

Musk called me and whom pedos?

 

Do you not know what I means?  He called all single men who visit Thailand pedos.

[Crustyhk]

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I can't believe this spat is going to court. They were both in the wrong. Unsworth made some dirty joke about where to put Musk's submarine, and Musk made sexual slurs against Unsworth. Tit for tat. Nobody is a hero here. Seems to me like egos running amok. How about they both apologize to each other, it was an emotionally heated time and they both desperately wanted to help. No need to enrich a bunch of lawyers. Shake hands, and go for a pint together. Job done.

Very big difference in telling someone to stick their toy up their butt and calling someone a child molesterer. 

One may hurt your feelings the other can destroy your life. 

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, Puccini said:

Musk called me and whom pedos?

ALL Westerners that live in Thailand , Musk publicly asked *Why would a westerner live in Thailand if he wasnt a pedo*

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post.

[KneeDeep]

6 hours ago, Dukeleto said:

I have to wonder if Musk was worth nothing if Mr. Unsworth would be pursuing the matter after receiving an apology from Musk. After all, telling someone who was trying to help you, to stick a submarine clearly up their own arse is uncouth, uncalled for and was attention grabbing and inflammatory. Unsworth could have done the gentlemanly thing and let bygones be bygones but the scent of money and a comfortable retirement seem to be his only objective disguised as indignation in a spat between school yard boys on social media. So what if the whole playground heard it! In my opinion Mr. Unsworth has gone from "Hero" to someone who pans for gold, lest I too find myself facing a lawsuit for saying something more directly, and any kudos he received for those rescue efforts are now somewhat tarnished. Sure Elon was out of line but so was Mr. Unsworth and its a mountain out of a molehill scenario. I do hope, in this case, that the jury sees this for what it is and tosses it out. Both of them simply need to shake hands and BOTH apologise for passing childish comments! I mean honestly, I think Unsworth saying that particular statement to someone like Musk appears to be borderline premeditated in order to achieve this exact result! I am unimpressed by both men.

 

A bit of a ramble..... and total whitewash. You are really trying to defend that moron, Musk.

 

 

The literal meaning of the phrase that Unsworth used is "thanks but no thanks". Albeit rudely.

 

Calling someone a child rapist is not rude. It is an accusation. One which Musk will have to defend.

Nothing to do with gold digging. Musk's apology was meaningless, since he repeated the claim soon afterwards. This would lead some to believe there was no smoke without fire.

 

Furthermore, the idiot miscalculated again when he dared Unsworth to sue him.

He clearly assumed/hoped that Unsworth would have some skeletons in the cupboard that would make him afraid to sue.

When Unsworth followed through, it must have come as a blow. So then he tried to squirm out of it, hoping he was protected by the First Amendment. Fail.

 

By now we can all see that the man has the equivalent of Tourette's Syndrome. He should just shut up, accept the consequences and move on. Which is what will occur....or he will just suffer the consequences again, until he learns.

 

So please don't equate their actions. Musk is an egotist who couldn't bear being ridiculed and subsequently and stupidly, made some serious miscalculations.

 

Hardly the hero. Just a <deleted>.

 

 

 

 

[KneeDeep]

29 minutes ago, sanemax said:

That was more deceptiveness from Musk .

Verns Lawyers had already began legal proceedings a month BEFORE Musk made that public statement . 

  Verns Lawyers sent Musks Lawyers notice of legal proceedings , Musk then went public "asking" Vern to sue him .

    Musk was deceiving people into thinking that he asked to be sued , when the reality was that legal action had already been taken 

 

 

Nearly true, but not quite;

 

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/musk-reignites-pedo-controversy-practically-begging-to-be-sued-guess-what-Gb0dyVH2RUSelfDi8K-YjA/

 

On the 6th of August, a letter was sent to Musk informing him that they were preparing to issue proceedings. An opportunity for Musk to settle the case in advance.

 

He did nothing of the sort, other than to make more stupid statements three weeks later, asking why Unsworth hadn't sued him. Again, making the suggestion that Unsworth was what he suggested.

The next day Unsworth's lawyer stated they were finalising the libel complaint.

So there were no legal proceeding beforehand, just a notice.

Musk isn't looking as intelligent as some would like to believe.

 

[Kieran00001]

27 minutes ago, KneeDeep said:

 

 

Nearly true, but not quite;

 

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/musk-reignites-pedo-controversy-practically-begging-to-be-sued-guess-what-Gb0dyVH2RUSelfDi8K-YjA/

 

On the 6th of August, a letter was sent to Musk informing him that they were preparing to issue proceedings. An opportunity for Musk to settle the case in advance.

 

He did nothing of the sort, other than to make more stupid statements three weeks later, asking why Unsworth hadn't sued him. Again, making the suggestion that Unsworth was what he suggested.

The next day Unsworth's lawyer stated they were finalising the libel complaint.

So there were no legal proceeding beforehand, just a notice.

Musk isn't looking as intelligent as some would like to believe.

 

 

A letter of intention to sue following faiure to compensate would be the normal first step in initiating legal proceedings, without it they would not be able to sue them, you have to give them the chance to settle first, so it could be said that it had begun feom the moment he ignored the letter.

 

And considering his recent moves to devalue his share prices, I wouldn't assume this is not all a well calculated plan to do the same.

Edited May 11, 2019 by Kieran00001

[Wilsonandson]

Guy just tried to help.

This is just a topic for Musk haters to hate on.

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

But Musk does not own all of Tesla nor does he rule the roost anymore. The board of directors can remove him or ignore him if they wish to build a factory in Thailand. His word alone is just that of one man.

Plus, what about the rights of one human being, Vernon. 

 

Sorry but I don't buy the idea that musk might not invest in Thailand, in reality big professional companies make decisions whether to invest in other countries on numerous economic etc., factors, not on past arguments with one lone man who after all is a resident of Thailand rather than a citizen of Thailand. 

[KneeDeep]

8 minutes ago, Wilsonandson said:

Guy just tried to help.

This is just a topic for Musk haters to hate on.

 

 

Usual US style rubbish about 'haters' in an attempt to devalue the message.

 

Musk is an idiot because he doesn't know the difference between a rude rebuff and libel.

 

No one has stated that he wasn't trying to be helpful. But he is a complete tool for not utilising his intelligence(or what is left of it). He could have hinted at what he thought, without actually writing it.

But "child rapist"? Don't try to defend the indefensible. Understand your hero is an idiot. 

Edited May 11, 2019 by KneeDeep

[scorecard]

7 minutes ago, Wilsonandson said:

Guy just tried to help.

This is just a topic for Musk haters to hate on.

How nice, but I'm wondering how much detail all of these posters had when they posted? Were they well informed about the scenario, what was already happening to get the boys out, the specific difficulties, the small size of the zig zag passages etc? 

 

 

[KneeDeep]

12 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

A letter of intention to sue following faiure to compensate would be the normal first step in initiating legal proceedings, without it they would not be able to sue them, you have to give them the chance to settle first, so it could be said that it had begun feom the moment he ignored the letter.

 

And considering his recent moves to devalue his share prices, I wouldn't assume this is not all a well calculated plan to do the same.

 

 

Indeed they gave him time to consider his options. He tried to call their bluff.

 

Calling someone a child rapist with absolutely no basis is despicable. At that time I'm sure there were people who believed that Musk had some evidence, so strong were his statements.

 

Turns out just another load of lies from that moron.

 

So, trying to justify his actions make one look like a sycophant. 

 

 

[sanemax]

12 minutes ago, Wilsonandson said:

Guy just tried to help.

This is just a topic for Musk haters to hate on.

Musk did try to help , he also used the situation to publicise himself and his Company .

Thousands of people were involved in the rescue , putting their lives at risk in dangerous conditions and none of them spoke to the media .

   Musk was above ground , getting congratulated and publicizing his companies and the abilities of his drilling machines .

   He turned it into the "Elon Musk Space X rescue mission" , he took all the credit whilst people were working hard in the caves .

   That is why Vern had so much annoyance with him 

 

[Wilsonandson]

Musk did try to help , he also used the situation to publicise himself and his Company .
Thousands of people were involved in the rescue , putting their lives at risk in dangerous conditions and none of them spoke to the media .
   Musk was above ground , getting congratulated and publicizing his companies and the abilities of his drilling machines .
   He turned it into the "Elon Musk Space X rescue mission" , he took all the credit whilst people were working hard in the caves .
   That is why Vern had so much annoyance with him 
 

He didn't turn it into anything. Google 'Elon Musk helps Thailand cave boys'. See the many media articles describing it as a humble gesture.