Defiant Iran says it can 'easily' hit U.S. ships, works to counter sanctions

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

What was the name of that Iraqi minister of Information, who even told the Americans were in defeat, with the sound of Abraham tanks in Bagdad at the background ? 

Comical Al ?

[kingdong]

12 hours ago, roquefort said:

A little country? You mean like Vietnam?

 

Iran has 500,000 under arms and the 14th strongest military in the world. Hardly little.

 

First rule of war. Never underestimate your enemy.

and the 2nd rule of war is----never let your mouth write cheques your <deleted> isn,t going to cover.

[kingdong]

17 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Comical Al ?

comical ali

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

comical ali

We were good friends, I called him Al 

[rabas]

3 hours ago, kingdong said:

comical ali

Chemical's younger brother?

 

[ThaiFelix]

On 5/18/2019 at 2:11 PM, Morch said:

Would going to war be preferable, then?

Maybe to the US yes, but I doubt to the rest of the world.  My point is the US could sign an agreement today but attack tomorrow on the basis of some blatant lies.

[ThaiFelix]

21 hours ago, BestB said:

Point would be willingness to deescalate 

Sure, but its all in Trumps hands.  He needs to go back to the initial agreement and KEEP TO IT while also dropping the sanctions.  Iran, on the other hand, really needs to do nothing different because they have kept to the agreement.  Its very simple really. 

[ThaiFelix]

6 hours ago, rabas said:

Chemical's younger brother?

 

I think you mean the then Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz.  I always felt he was only doing his job and in fear of the US supported madman Saddam Hussien if he said otherwise,   Saddam also had agreements with the US which proved worthless once his usefulness in attacking Iran ran out.

[Morch]

10 hours ago, sanemax said:

We were good friends, I called him Al 

 

But does he call you Betty?

[Morch]

31 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Maybe to the US yes, but I doubt to the rest of the world.  My point is the US could sign an agreement today but attack tomorrow on the basis of some blatant lies.

 

I thought it was obvious the reference was to Iran. How is going to war preferable to negotiation?

As for the wide-brush USA bash, not really. The circumstances related to signing this agreement made the whole thing dubious to begin with. Possible issues were noted, and yet no party opted out, regardless of alarm bells ringing. If it was common practice for the USA to act in this manner, there would be that much of an outcry. 

[rabas]

27 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

6 hours ago, rabas said:

Chemical's younger brother?

I think you mean the then Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz.  I always felt he was only doing his job and in fear of the US supported madman Saddam Hussien if he said otherwise,   Saddam also had agreements with the US which proved worthless once his usefulness in attacking Iran ran out.

I meant Chemical Ali, it was a play on Comical Ali. It was a joke.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, ThaiFelix said:

Sure, but its all in Trumps hands.  He needs to go back to the initial agreement and KEEP TO IT while also dropping the sanctions.  Iran, on the other hand, really needs to do nothing different because they have kept to the agreement.  Its very simple really. 

 

No, it isn't all in Trump's hands. Trump may be __________ (insert whatever here), but how Iran responds to him is up to Iran's leadership. Even if they were 100% righteous as you seem to suggest, would it be be in Iran's best interest to choose confrontation, in this case?

 

Whether people agree with it or not, the USA (even under Obama), had other standing issues with some of Iran's actions and policies. Granted, these do not fall under the so-called Iran Deal, but in the same way that Iran claims it can go about them, the USA may assert it can act to curtail them (via sanctions or other means).

 

Not quite as simple as that.

[Kwasaki]

On 5/18/2019 at 9:46 AM, Longcut said:

And the U.S. could easily wipe Iran off the face of the earth. But let's hope it never comes to that.

That's what many warmongers in US have been wanting to do and it has been said openly.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

That's what many warmongers in US have been wanting to do and it has been said openly.

 

Whereas Iran's warmongers....?

[Kwasaki]

11 hours ago, Morch said:

Whereas Iran's warmongers....?

Well maybe you support US gov killing machine policies, I don't.

Iran's warmongers are a majority of the whole population US would have you believe.

US knows best, always right as you must know, their idiotism is interventionism and isolationism.

 

Tell me what Iran has done apart from being Muslim they've been around a lot longer than the USA immigrates.

[Kwasaki]

17 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

On 5/18/2019 at 9:46 AM, Longcut said:

And the U.S. could easily wipe Iran off the face of the earth. But let's hope it never comes to that.

That's what many warmongers in US have been wanting to do and it has been said openly.

For confused  @allenberg Jewish casino mogul says preemptive nuclear strike on unpopulated areas in Iran would send a message that U.S. means business.

 

Oh !!  that's the way forward. ????

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, monkeycu said:

Do you want to start with North Korea then we can go around the world, the man is nothing but an arrogant pig with bad hair.

If you think the sun shines out his arse, you are just a fool

 

You claimed "Trump seems to want to wipe out many countries". Even if this was the case with regard to Iran or North Korea, it still doesn't make "many".

 

And no, I no Trump fan, finding most of his policies wrong.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Well maybe you support US gov killing machine policies, I don't.

Iran's warmongers are a majority of the whole population US would have you believe.

US knows best, always right as you must know, their idiotism is interventionism and isolationism.

 

Tell me what Iran has done apart from being Muslim they've been around a lot longer than the USA immigrates.

 

I merely pointed out That Iran got it's own hardliners, and that they tend to employ the expected rhetoric.

 

How that translates in your mind as supporting the nonsense posted above, no idea. Nothing said about support, nothing said about Iranian warmongers being a majority, no claim that thee USA knows best or is always right. 

 

Whether you like to acknowledge it or not, Iran is engaged, along several issues/fronts, in things which are not generally well accepted, regionally and internationally. And no, it's not about Iran being Muslim - there are far more Muslims making up the rest of the ME, and not all are in conflict with the USA. Being around longer doesn't have anything to do with anything.

 

Any actual comment on Iran's homegrown warmongers and hardliners?

Edited May 20, 2019 by Morch

[Kwasaki]

4 hours ago, Morch said:

You claimed "Trump seems to want to wipe out many countries". Even if this was the case with regard to Iran or North Korea, it still doesn't make "many".

???? It's not just Trump whose tried the wiping out it's US history they just won't stop.

US wanting to control oil & gas is wrong.

 

Since ww2 they've bombed 

Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Yugoslavia,  Afghanistan, Sudan, Bosnia, Somalia , Kuwait, Iraq, Panama, Libya, Nicaragua,

El Salvador, Grenada, Lebanon, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Peru, Dominican Republic, Belgian Congo, Cuba, Indonesia, Guatemala, Korea, China.

Also United States had intervened in 81 foreign elections from the last count of year 2000.

Edited May 20, 2019 by Kwasaki

[Morch]

17 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

???? It's not just Trump whose tried the wiping out it's US history they just won't stop.

US wanting to control oil & gas is wrong.

 

Since ww2 they've bombed 

Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Yugoslavia,  Afghanistan, Sudan, Bosnia, Somalia , Kuwait, Iraq, Panama, Libya, Nicaragua,

El Salvador, Grenada, Lebanon, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Peru, Dominican Republic, Belgian Congo, Cuba, Indonesia, Guatemala, Korea, China.

Also United States had intervened in 81 foreign elections from the last count of year 2000.

 

How awful. Now kindly read the posts again, and see how that's not quite what was posted and what was replied to. Also, a bit of context wouldn't be amiss, not like all of them instances are the same - unless one is into the usual mindless bashing.

[2tall]

be the last ship you ever hit!

[Patriot1066]

On 5/18/2019 at 3:46 AM, Longcut said:

And the U.S. could easily wipe Iran off the face of the earth. But let's hope it never comes to that.

Perhaps we should hope the Iranians try to attack a US warship and then the regime related targets the US in Iran will have pre targeted already will be a legitimate thing to hit. Better to stop the Iranians before they further develop their nuclear capability. 

 

At at least the US is standing up to terrorists unlike the appeasing EU

[metisdead]

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[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

How awful. Now kindly read the posts again, and see how that's not quite what was posted and what was replied to. Also, a bit of context wouldn't be amiss, not like all of them instances are the same - unless one is into the usual mindless bashing.

You don't like the truth do you excuse me but whose doing the mindless bashing.

Question,  is USA doing what's right, make an agreement with Iran, US is informed that Iran is complying with the nuclear agreement, Trump comes and pulls out whose doing the bashing Mr USA Morch. 

 

As usual with US of A. A being the first letter of what they are, it's down to oil & gas,  Venezuela comes to mind.

[Morch]

47 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

You don't like the truth do you excuse me but whose doing the mindless bashing.

Question,  is USA doing what's right, make an agreement with Iran, US is informed that Iran is complying with the nuclear agreement, Trump comes and pulls out whose doing the bashing Mr USA Morch. 

 

As usual with US of A. A being the first letter of what they are, it's down to oil & gas,  Venezuela comes to mind.

 

What "mindless bashing" was I engaged in? Unless, of course, pointing out that Iran got hardliners as well, or asking which "many countries" Trump wants to destroy.

 

Again, as posted on many topics: I think Trump withdrawal from the Iran Deal was neither justified nor wise. The flip side of that is that issues with the manner in which the previous administration signed the Iran Deal paved the way for Trump's actions. There were warnings it might become an issue, which parties chose to ignore. And here we are....

 

As usual with some posters, not important which topic it is, so long as a good bash and rant could be aired. Still waiting for any relevant, factual comments regarding both issues appearing in the first line and previous posts. Not holding my breath, though.

[Morch]

27 minutes ago, Bipolar said:

I think that its time, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and also countries that need to wake up like India,Australia, Canada, Mexico, all the Southern American Countries and also some of the Middle-East countries, Germany and the rest that are sick of Trump and his version of America and do something together. Maybe even start a war and destroy the US altogether. That bully really need to be crushed along with his followers.

 

I'm sure that reading your post, they'll get right on it. Meanwhile in the real world....

[Kwasaki]

28 minutes ago, Morch said:

I'm sure that reading your post, they'll get right on it. Meanwhile in the real world....

Yeah not gonna happen but I do not see any irrational behavior from either side.

 

" Trump has urged Iran's leadership to hold talks over its nuclear programme and regional influence amid rising tensions between the two countries that has fanned fears of armed conflict after the United States deployed an aircraft carrier group to the region."

 

I see that as someone putting a gun to my head and saying are gonna talk or what.  

 

 

 

[rabas]

3 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

You don't like the truth do you excuse me but whose doing the mindless bashing.

Question,  is USA doing what's right, make an agreement with Iran, US is informed that Iran is complying with the nuclear agreement, Trump comes and pulls out whose doing the bashing Mr USA Morch.

 

As usual with US of A. A being the first letter of what they are, it's down to oil & gas,  Venezuela comes to mind.

The world, especially ===> China <=== is interested in stable oil supplies and prices. Russia, not so much.

 

Below are the 6 countries that imported the highest dollar value worth of crude oil during 2018.

• China: US$239.2 billion (20.2% of total crude oil imports)
• United States: $163.1 billion (13.8%)
• India: $114.5 billion (9.7%)
• Japan: $80.6 billion (6.8%)
• South Korea: $80.4 billion (6.8%)
• Netherlands: $48.8 billion (4.1%)

Now exports (China exports almost none, not in top 15)

• Saudi Arabia: US$182.5 billion (15.9% of total crude oil exports)
• Russia: $129 billion (11.3%)
• Iraq: $91.1 billion (7.9%)
• Canada: $66.9 billion (5.8%)
• United Arab Emirates: $66.8 billion (5.8%)
• Kuwait: $49.8 billion (4.3%)
• United States: $47.2 billion (4.1%)    <=====

 

Top Oil-producing Countries

• United States. Production: 15,647,000 bpd. ...
• Saudi Arabia. Production: 12,090,000 bpd. ...
• Russia. Production: 11,210,000 bpd. ...
• Canada. Production: 4,958,000 bpd. ...
• China. Production: 4,779,000 bpd. ...
• Iran. Production: 4,695,000 bpd. ...
• Iraq. Production: 4,455,000 bpd. ...

 

Edited May 20, 2019 by rabas

[Morch]

12 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah not gonna happen but I do not see any irrational behavior from either side.

 

" Trump has urged Iran's leadership to hold talks over its nuclear programme and regional influence amid rising tensions between the two countries that has fanned fears of armed conflict after the United States deployed an aircraft carrier group to the region."

 

I see that as someone putting a gun to my head and saying are gonna talk or what.  

 

 

 

 

The World isn't always a fair place. Even is one was to hold that Iran is completely in the right, there's still a question of whether being right outweighs being smart. In the reality we live in, getting on the USA's bad side is a bad choice, and getting into a head-on conflict with the USA is even worse.

[Patriot1066]

On 5/20/2019 at 3:06 PM, Kwasaki said:

Yeah not gonna happen but I do not see any irrational behavior from either side.

 

" Trump has urged Iran's leadership to hold talks over its nuclear programme and regional influence amid rising tensions between the two countries that has fanned fears of armed conflict after the United States deployed an aircraft carrier group to the region."

 

I see that as someone putting a gun to my head and saying are gonna talk or what.  

 

 

 

Chamberlain apeased hitler and we had a world war Trump won't appease Iran and can literally destroy the regime and if he feels like the whole country, unlike the EU particularly Germany who love Iran and doing business with terrorist.

 

The US has much more fire power than a single aircraft carrier and don't underestimate either Israel (nuclear armed) and one of the best military in the Middle East or the Saudi regieme very well funded and foreign trained military, both would have good reason to assist the US.

 

Better to cut the head off the snake before it can bite you. Trump is right