3 hours ago, bendejo said:

 

Here's what the report says:

 

As I've been saying since before the report was released, a redacted document is a farce.  It is also an insult to the intelligence of the person it is being presented to.  On the other hand, if someone is not sufficiently intelligent to understand they are being insulted, well then it's a sunny day.

Team DT plays to the base and they're an easy audience, as they say in show biz.

 

There was a brief statement by Ted Cruz during the 2015-2016 primaries where he accused DT of using Cruz's own tactics for fast-talking the voters.  I'm not going to detail it here because I know some of our participants will take it personally. 

 

 

 

It there was information in the report that had no real bearing on the case that would hurt innocent people or reveal information that could put people in harm's way, that information should be made public?

 

I think all the "honest" people here with nothing to hide should start scanning all their legal and personal documents and start posing them up here.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump’s continuing obstruction of justice has a legal risk attached.

 

The Statute of Limitations on obstruction is 5 years but important the clock starts ticking on the last or latest occurrence of the crime and until 5 years after that event all related crimes are prosecutable.

 

Trump’s continuing obstruction of justice ensures he will be liable for prosecution even if he wins a second term.

 

He is maintaining his legal jeopardy, perhaps he likes it.

Perhaps he does not believe he is guilty.

 

 

14 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Come on Dems, get off this and come up with some policies we can vote for next year.

 

The 116th Congress has been very, very, very, very busy on policy (ies). Holding hearings, passing legislation.

 

Then Mitch McConnell and the Senate just sit on it, doing nothing except running interference for the president.

 

They can walk (investigate the president), chew gum (hold policy hearings) and floss (pass legislation) at the same time, unlike republicans like gaetz, jordan, meadows.

 

Doesn't get a lot of publicity. You can educate yourself if you so wish.

 

HR1 done quite quickly: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1?q={"search"%3A["HR1"]}&s=1&r=1

 

 

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Edited May 22, 20197 yr by mtls2005

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

The 116th Congress has been very, very, very, very busy on policy (ies). Holding hearings, passing legislation.

 

Then Mitch McConnell and the Senate just sit on it, doing nothing except running interference for the president.

 

 

Doesn't get a lot of publicity. You can educate yourself if you so wish.

 

HR1 done quite quickly: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1?q={"search"%3A["HR1"]}&s=1&r=1

 

 

House
Bills [2,855]
Resolutions [390]
Concurrent Resolutions [39]
Joint Resolutions [58]
Amendments [246]

 

 

116th Congress (2019-2020)
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Animals [44]
Armed Forces and National Security [280]
Arts, Culture, Religion [23]
Civil Rights and Liberties, Minority Issues [70]
Commerce [70]
Congress [227]
Crime and Law Enforcement [268]
Economics and Public Finance [81]
Education [205]
Emergency Management [61]
Energy [92]
Environmental Protection [108]
Families [13]
Finance and Financial Sector [158]
Foreign Trade and International Finance [39]
Government Operations and Politics [380]
Health [524]
Housing and Community Development [36]
Immigration [162]
International Affairs [349]
Labor and Employment [89]
Law [48]
Native Americans [72]
Public Lands and Natural Resources [285]
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Off topic

3 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

No evidence of a crime as no crime just the Dems and their press pack trying to weaken the very string and popular president Trump

No, the Republicans are starting to crack and are admitting there was obstruction. Obstruction is a crime. And Trump is only popular to bigots, xenophobes, nazi sympathisers, or people with holes in their souls that they like to fill with hate.

23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Perhaps he does not believe he is guilty.

 

 

One of the best I've seen today! And yes, most likely that is true. Sociopaths feel no empathy nor any guilt.

"Lack of empathy, guilt, remorse or shame is one of the hallmark traits of the sociopath."

https://datingasociopath.com/sociopath-character-traits/lack-of-empathy-guilt-remorse-or-shame/

No yellow tail it’s spot on,just not what you wanted to hear lol and in my youth I used to bait pole yellow tail bluefin and albacore  in the early 70s

23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Off topic

A positive rebuttal of the claim the Dems need to do something other than expose Trump.

 

A claim oft repeated and that you did not regard as off topic.

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Really time for you to understand the report and conclusions. The conclusion was not 'no obstruction'.

1:08- At the Mcgahn hearing, Conclusion : "No collusion ,No obstruction".You and the dems  are confused about the conclusion. 

Edited May 22, 20197 yr by riclag

the long national nightmare continues, may it end, hopefully before Bolton and Israel  kill  another 10 million ...... but  hey  "the economy is great"  says the NYT ... people just aren't  "feeling it" for some strange reason, and instead  crushing their Oxycontin.

Edited May 22, 20197 yr by mooping20Baht
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12 minutes ago, riclag said:

 At the Mcgahn hearing, Conclusion :  No collusion ,No obstruction.You and the dems  are confused about the conclusion,1:08

Repeating lies over and over again will not make them true. The Trump campaign worked with an enemy foreign government to gain information that helped get Trump elected. Ten instances of obstruction were laid out in the Mueller report. Even Republicans admit this. It is unfathomable how people can defend Trump while he dodges, weaves, lies and obstructs. One more time - Honest men have nothing to hide.

19 hours ago, toenail said:

Watch out “Thaivisa” forum readers- many American cult-Trump members will comment on this forum how “great”  their narcissistic, ignorant, racist savior is. 

 

He is pretty great at pissing off Liberal Democrats.

1 minute ago, quandow said:

Repeating lies over and over again will not make them true. The Trump campaign worked with an enemy foreign government to gain information that helped get Trump elected. Ten instances of obstruction were laid out in the Mueller report. Even Republicans admit this. It is unfathomable how people can defend Trump while he dodges, weaves, lies and obstructs. One more time - Honest men have nothing to hide.

The conclusion : no obstruction no collusion

1 minute ago, riclag said:

The conclusion : no obstruction no collusion

 

So release the entire report, unredacted with all grand jury information.

 

Waiting......

 

Oh right, rinse and repeat.

 

 

The full report will see the light of day, some brave individual(s) will see to that, and then what will the minions say and do?

 

28 minutes ago, riclag said:

 At the Mcgahn hearing, Conclusion :  No collusion ,No obstruction.You and the dems  are confused about the conclusion,1:08

Yes, he does state that. But no, that does not make it true, which it clearly is not.

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Perhaps he does not believe he is guilty.

 

 

I suspect he believes himself above the law. 

 

Which is exactly what is being put to the test.

17 minutes ago, chokrai said:

He is pretty great at pissing off Liberal Democrats.

 

Yeah, and ~ 65% of the country, and most others in the world except for Kim, Vladdy, M. Bone-Saw.

 

So yes, he's "great" at something.

 

BTW, you should hear what republicans say about him in private. OK, maybe not.

 

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, riclag said:

The conclusion : no obstruction no collusion

Trump supporter mentality: Lie. Repeat until everyone either drinks the kool aid or gets worn down for trying to expose these obnoxious lies.

Truth - Ten instances of obstruction and behavior that warrants investigation because of the OBVIOUS coverup. The Trump campaign worked with an enemy foreign country to win the election.

Unfathomable how someone can defend Trump.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A positive rebuttal of the claim the Dems need to do something other than expose Trump.

 

A claim oft repeated and that you did not regard as off topic.

No, was a response to: "Come on Dems, get off this and come up with some policies we can vote for next year."

 

Could anything listed be considered a policy to vote for? I think not.

 

You guys need to get back to more free stuff, tax the rich and identity politics, that's what people want.

 

 

34 minutes ago, quandow said:

Trump supporter mentality: Lie. Repeat until everyone either drinks the kool aid or gets worn down for trying to expose these obnoxious lies.

Truth - Ten instances of obstruction and behavior that warrants investigation because of the OBVIOUS coverup. The Trump campaign worked with an enemy foreign country to win the election.

Unfathomable how someone can defend Trump.

Upon reaching a conclusion of no collusion no obstruction  by Mr. Barr it was all so determined that Mr. Trump campaign did not illegally conspire with Russia.

 

Edited May 22, 20197 yr by riclag

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Yes, he does state that. But no, that does not make it true, which it clearly is not.

 

But the left saying he is guilty does make it so, yes?

 

Mueller did not find enough evidence of obstruction to recommend prosecution. 

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Upon reaching a decision of no collusion no obstruction  by Mr. Barr it was all so determined that Mr. Trump campaign did not illegally conspire with Russia.

 

With all due respect mr Barr is Donald’s lap dog you go ahead deny and deflect it’s what you do lm not a mark I see Donald for what he is 

1 minute ago, Tug said:

With all due respect mr Barr is Donald’s lap dog you go ahead deny and deflect it’s what you do lm not a mark I see Donald for what he is 

What do you base that your assessment of Barr on?

 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

But the left saying he is guilty does make it so, yes?

 

Mueller did not find enough evidence of obstruction to recommend prosecution. 

You need to read the Mueller report, very specifically you need to read the Introduction of Volume 2 (Page 1) and attendant footnote 2. 

 

When you read it, try to understand what it actually says.

 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

What do you base that your assessment of Barr on?

 

We can start with his complete and utter misrepresentation of the Mueller Report and we can then examine  his inexplicable news conference to give a pro-Trump statement wrt the Mueller Report. 

 

Follow that with his instructions to Trump to (laughably) declare the whole Mueller Report subject to 'executive privilege'.

 

And if you want something simple that you can count (though you'll have to take your shoes and socks off).

 

In Barr's misrepresentation of the Mueller Report he made the black and white statement that there would be no more indictments. 

 

Then when we get a hold of the redacted report we discover there are 14 ongoing indictments 12 of which have never previously reported - ie they are new. 

 

Barr lied about this.

 

What else has he lied about? 

50 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You need to read the Mueller report, very specifically you need to read the Introduction of Volume 2 (Page 1) and attendant footnote 2. 

 

When you read it, try to understand what it actually says.

 

I read it, what's your point? No reason Mueller could not recommend prosecution. That the prosecution would proceed after the President leaves office is of no relevance. 

 

If Mueller had the evidence, his recommendation would have been to prosecute the President after he left office. 

 

 

50 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We can start with his complete and utter misrepresentation of the Mueller Report and we can then examine  his inexplicable news conference to give a pro-Trump statement wrt the Mueller Report. 

 

Follow that with his instructions to Trump to (laughably) declare the whole Mueller Report subject to 'executive privilege'.

 

And if you want something simple that you can count (though you'll have to take your shoes and socks off).

 

In Barr's misrepresentation of the Mueller Report he made the black and white statement that there would be no more indictments. 

 

Then when we get a hold of the redacted report we discover there are 14 ongoing indictments 12 of which have never previously reported - ie they are new. 

 

Barr lied about this.

 

What else has he lied about? 

Yes, I understand he supports the President.

 

Have you seen a transcript of his statements?

22 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

OK - There was no collusion with Russia.

 

So, let's try and get him for obstruction.

 

If that fails, we've always got his tax records and financial records to try and find something.

 

If all else fails we could just declare him a bad person; or maybe check the color of his socks?

 

Desperate Democrats - spiteful, vengeful but will squeal like stuck pigs when one of theirs is put under the spot light. And surely, that time is coming!

There was plenty of well documented collusion, which is not illegal.... but the Mueller report did not find that it rose the the level of conspiracy, which is illegal. 

 

Plenty of obstruction was documented in the report, and Donald the Dubious and his henchmen have plenty to answer to there.

11 minutes ago, Aj Mick said:

There was plenty of well documented collusion, which is not illegal.... but the Mueller report did not find that it rose the the level of conspiracy, which is illegal. 

 

Plenty of obstruction was documented in the report, and Donald the Dubious and his henchmen have plenty to answer to there.

Can you provide examples of all the obstruction?

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Can you provide examples of all the obstruction?

Seriously?

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/04/what-the-mueller-report-says-about-obstruction/